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The Way Forward
National Review ^ | 8/8/12 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 11/08/2012 6:57:45 PM PST by randita

Edited on 11/08/2012 7:45:02 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

They lose and immediately the chorus begins. Republicans must change or die. A rump party of white America, it must adapt to evolving demographics or forever be the minority.

The only part of this that is even partially true regards Hispanics. They should be a natural Republican constituency: striving immigrant community, religious, Catholic, family-oriented, and socially conservative (on abortion, for example).


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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012aftermath; amnesty; krauthammer
The money will eventually run out for Democrats to buy votes. Obama's policies will not improve the economy.

In the end, standing on principle is the winning strategy.

I agree with Krauthammer.

1 posted on 11/08/2012 6:57:49 PM PST by randita
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To: randita

Democrats are committing demographic suicide by aborting their young and glorifying those who can never bear children of their own.

Soon all that will be left is the 47% and when the money runs out, so does that constituency.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 7:01:43 PM PST by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: randita

“in return for full border enforcement”

laughable. Even if the ‘pubs had won by the same margin the marxist POS did, there would not “full” be enforcement at the border. Too many pro-illegals in the border states.


3 posted on 11/08/2012 7:04:43 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: randita

As much as I respect Krauthammer I can’t agree with this.If non-citizens get to sneak into this country and are then allowed to stay permanently that means that if I manage to sneak into Krauthammer’s house and hide in his basement for a while I eventually get my name placed on his deed as co-owner.And although my current house is solid,comfortable and respectable I’ll wager that it’s not *nearly* as nice as his so I just might give it a try.


4 posted on 11/08/2012 7:13:21 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: randita

I’m done with US politics and will in future try to focus more on that kingdom not of this world of which Our Lord spoke to Pilate. However, I think Krauthammer’s suggestion is a reasonable suggestion for going forward. The amnesty part of the amnesty plus enforcement won’t be welcomed here, of course, but I think if the Republicans are to have any future, they have to try to win a bigger chunk of Latinos. Also agree that in other respects, conservatives should not compromise on conservative principles. That said, I think we’re in civilizational collapse and that it is all pretty much rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Feeling very Eeyorish today.


5 posted on 11/08/2012 7:17:25 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: randita

We’re going to have to talk about crime. Because there will be lots of it when things go down the drain.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 7:17:25 PM PST by ari-freedom (Election Day should be after Thanksgiving, not right after Halloween)
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To: randita

“Standing on principle is the winning strategy.”

It’s what is right AND the right strategy. - If pandering to a Hispanic constituency that, like all Democrats, demands “freebies” and “Santa Claus presents”, consists of having to buckle under to their demands for a blind eye to illegal immigration - then they’ve made their bed, let them lie in it. - It’s dishonorable and unfair to all those who have come here for centuries the legal and honest way. Their Santa Daddy Obama is going to eventually run out of other people’s money. Let him have his adoration and then FLUSH!


7 posted on 11/08/2012 7:17:32 PM PST by Twinkie (OBAMA DOES NOT HAVE A MANDATE!!!!)
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To: randita

Romney’s message - Work hard and I will assure you an opportunity to achieve the American dream.

Obama’s message - I’ll make everything fair, give you the American dream and someone else will do the work for it.

Now which one do you think resonates?

“The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.”

- Alexis de Tocqueville:


8 posted on 11/08/2012 7:18:15 PM PST by cousin01
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To: randita

He could not be more wrong about Hispanics. They want free stuff. Maybe they are socially conservative, but they are driven by the same thing that the rest of the 47% are. They want other people’s money.

Obviously not all, but the majority.


9 posted on 11/08/2012 7:18:16 PM PST by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: randita
They should be a natural Republican constituency: striving immigrant community, religious, Catholic, family-oriented, and socially conservative (on abortion, for example). The principal reason they go Democratic is the issue of illegal immigrants.

This is fantasy, not reality.

We cannot solve our problems by telling ourselves comforting delusions. We must face facts as they are.

This describes a PART of the hispanic community, but it does NOT describe the majority of the hispanic immigrants who came here over the last couple of decades.

The illegitimacy rate among hispanics is 53%. If most hispanic babies are born to unwed mothers, why on earth do people keep parroting the bit about family values?

And statistics show hispanics taking government assistance at much higher rates than native-born non-hispanics.

We COULD have controlled the border over the last 20 years and only admitted immigrants who would have not looked for government handouts and would have had children within stable families.

We did not. We left the border open, and what we got was the most unskilled and uneducated part of the population south of the border, along with massive infiltration by criminal narcotics cartels.

Since this demographic is strongly supportive of socialistic politicians south of the border, will someone please explain to me how migrating across a river magically changes their political outlook?

A signficant part of the hispanic population ARE conservative, but it is not a majority. We need to appeal to those whom we can and work to control the border and enforce the laws.

10 posted on 11/08/2012 7:20:09 PM PST by Meet the New Boss
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To: Unam Sanctam

No one was more of an illegal amnesty proponent than John McCain; fat lot of good that did. Why should Hispanics go with Republican Marco Rubio when they can have the real deal with the Castro twins?


11 posted on 11/08/2012 7:20:46 PM PST by Twinkie (OBAMA DOES NOT HAVE A MANDATE!!!!)
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To: randita
In the end, standing on principle is the winning strategy.

With one foot on principle and the other on compromise with principle?

I understand the human side of this equation, but you had better sell locking down the border first or you will further split the party you think you're trying to unite.

Their one foot on principle, barely, and the other on compromise with principle is why people shun the party now, even when faced with likely total destruction.

My guess is, those principled voters won't understand your abstraction on something as important as illegal immigration, not unless you are rock solid that the border will be locked down.

Remember, we have history with this issue and did amnesty once before. It was a failure. Those around Reagan claimed he regretted it and would not have made that mistake again if he could do it over.

12 posted on 11/08/2012 7:22:01 PM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Twinkie

Frankly, I don’t care what Americans do anymore.


13 posted on 11/08/2012 7:25:24 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: randita
The money will eventually run out for Democrats to buy votes.

You should study history more. Look into the antics of Wilson and FDR, just to name a couple.

obama said he was going to be as creative as FDR was to solve the problems he faces in his second term.

To be honest? It's amazing we've gotten this far. On the other hand, maybe we're tougher than we think to have survived all that's been thrown at us.

14 posted on 11/08/2012 7:31:20 PM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: randita
They should be a natural Republican constituency: striving immigrant community, religious, Catholic, family-oriented, and socially conservative (on abortion, for example).

Mostly nonsense. Most of the Hispanics whose families are established and have been in the US for several generations probably fit that description. But the still poor and the recent arrivals are here to improve their standard of living, whether from work or government welfare prorams, or both. That's their number one priority and usually remains so for several generations. They are natural Democrat voters, and the Dims are not at all confused about it as Krauthammer and so many others seem to be.

15 posted on 11/08/2012 7:31:28 PM PST by Will88
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To: randita

Go away, Charles. Just. Go. Away.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 7:34:05 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Pining_4_TX
He could not be more wrong about Hispanics. They want free stuff. Maybe they are socially conservative, but they are driven by the same thing that the rest of the 47% are. They want other people’s money. Obviously not all, but the majority.

Exactly.

17 posted on 11/08/2012 7:40:40 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Jeff Chandler's tagline: 3% more characters than in 2008!)
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To: randita
I'm still waiting on the Dems to uphold their side of the first amnesty bargain (Reagan circa ‘86). There will never be border enforcement with Obama. The economy is going to continue to sputter and illegals will continue to self-deport. I'm with Rush: If McCain couldn't get them last time what makes us think we can get them in ‘16? We have to stand our ground, and let this socialism run its course. The people will learn the truth in the next four years.
18 posted on 11/08/2012 7:45:38 PM PST by sonofron
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To: Pining_4_TX

A Hispanic gal called Rush today and explained to him the 2 different sets of Hispanics. The ones like her who earned her citizenship 30 years ago and share conservative values and then the illegals and their children who want everything for free.
I live in California and have seen it and lived it first hand. The illegals and their American born children do not share and have no respect for our values. We owe them......period.


19 posted on 11/08/2012 7:50:51 PM PST by sheana
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To: randita
It's all about the free stuff, not amnesty. See this link: Heather MacDonald research in National Review
20 posted on 11/08/2012 7:55:09 PM PST by webstersII
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To: randita
For the party in general, however, the problem is hardly structural. It requires but a single policy change: Border fence plus amnesty. Yes, amnesty. Use the word. Shock and awe — full legal normalization (just short of citizenship) in return for full border enforcement. I’ve always been of the “enforcement first” school, with the subsequent promise of legalization. I still think it’s the better policy.

Krauthammer is a fool. He knows nothing about the immigration issue and the impact of an amnesty.

Any legislation that legalizes the status of those who broke our laws by entering our country illegally and allows them to stay and work here is amnesty. We must not only prevent the Democrats and some moderate Republicans from hijacking the meaning of the word amnesty, but the public must be made aware about the true impact of an amnesty.

The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty would be $2.6 trillion just for increased entitlement program costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.

Conferring rights and privileges upon illegal aliens has a corrosive effect on the Rule of Law, the very foundation of our Republic. It is also a slap in the face to legal immigrants who have followed the rules and obeyed the laws. There are 4 million intending immigrants waiting their turn overseas to enter the U.S. legally. They have completed all the paperwork--background checks, physicals, etc. Some have been waiting overseas for years. We admit 1.2 million legal immigrants annually more than the rest of the world combined. What kind of message does this send to people who want to enter the US legally or illegally? Many will come to take part in the next amnesty.

Reagan signed a "one time" amnesty in 1986. The proponnets said it would be the only amnesty ever. The government estimated that 1 million would apply, the true number turned out to be 2.7 million. The process was rife with fraud. And once the word got out, we were flooded with new illegals who entered to take advantage of it even though you had to be resident in the country for five years. The estimated illegal population ranges from 12 to 30 million. We really have no idea how many are here. The administration of an amnesty would be fraught with problems and could present national security risks. One of the participants of the 1993 WTC was given amnesty under the 1986 Simpson-Mazzoli act. The 1986 amnesty was supposed to solve the illegal problem. Now we have 12 to 30 million illegals.

And to top all of this off, we are providing the Dems with more voters even though Krauthammer the Fool believes that we can legalize their status and not give them a path to citizenship. There is no way the courts will approve of second class citizenship. And all of these new legal residents will be able to collect welfare benefits including Obamacare. This is insane. If the Reps go along with this, we should form a third party. It is treasonous.

21 posted on 11/08/2012 7:55:47 PM PST by kabar
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To: Unam Sanctam

Another amnesty will not win Latino votes. Reagan couldn't win the majority of the Latino vote. Any credit for an amnesty will go to Obama and the Dems.

Latinos or Hispanics are natural constituents for the Dems. They have a 50% out of wedlock birthrate and the highest school dropout rate. Immigrants in general are big users of welfare. 57% of immigrant headed households with children are on at least one major welfare program.

87% of the 1.2 million legal immigrants that enter this country annualy are minorities as defined by the USG. Anyone who thinks that immigrants and minorities will vote predominantly for Reps is smoking something. They vote Dem two to one.

Our efforts would be better spent securing the border and cracking down on visa overstays who make up 40% of all the illegal aliens in the country. We also need to crack down on the employment of illegals with an estimated 8 million of them holding jobs in this country. We need to reduce significantly the number of legal immigrants to around 300,000 a year and move to a merit based system. 25% of the adult legal immigrants entering this country annually lack even a high school degree. We are importing hundreds of thousand of high school dropouts every year.

The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 36 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 90 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born.

Currently, 1.6 million legal and illegal immigrants settle in the country each year; 350,000 immigrants leave each year, resulting in a net immigration of 1.25 million. Since 1970, the U.S. population has increased from 203 million to 310 million, i.e., over 100 million. In the next 40 years, the population will increase by an additional 130 million to 440 million. Three-quarters of the increase in our population since 1970 and the projected increase will be the result of immigration.

The nation’s immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached 40 million in 2010, the highest number in our history. The U.S. immigrant population has doubled since 1990, nearly tripled since 1980, and quadrupled since 1970, when it stood at 9.7 million. Of the 40 million immigrants in the country in 2010, 13.9 million arrived in 2000 or later making it the highest decade of immigration in American history, even though there was a net loss of jobs during the decade. Growth in the immigrant population has primarily been driven by high levels of legal immigration. Roughly three-fourths of immigrants in the country are here legally. With nearly 12 million immigrants, Mexico was by far the top immigrant-sending country, accounting for 29 percent of all immigrants and 29 percent of growth in the immigrant population from 2000 to 2010. The median age of immigrants in 2010 was 41.4 compared to 35.9 for natives.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 8:15:58 PM PST by kabar
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To: Unam Sanctam

“but I think if the Republicans are to have any future, they have to try to win a bigger chunk of Latinos.”

Right. The hell with everybody else.


23 posted on 11/08/2012 8:16:43 PM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: ScottfromNJ; kabar

Whatever, I don’t care anymore.


24 posted on 11/08/2012 9:29:55 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: randita
" ... full legal normalization (just short of citizenship) in return for full border enforcement."

Ah, yes, 1986 ... I remember it well ... "normalization" and "border enforcement" worked so well then, we should try it again!

25 posted on 11/09/2012 5:00:59 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: webstersII

It used to be the economy, stupid. We actually still thought it was.

When you have close of half of the citizenry shielded from economic downturns by the mandatory entitlement benefits and years of unemployment benefits, then a growing economy has no urgency.

Job creation is not the rallying cry it once was either. With people receiving enough government benefits to buy the necessities of life plus quite a few frills, then what’s the impetus in getting a job where you may actually end up with less take home pay than you’re getting in government benefits?

We mistakenly assumed that people truly do want a growing economy and jobs. But clearly a majority do not care either way.


26 posted on 11/09/2012 6:23:51 AM PST by randita
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