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Where Did the Voters Go? Nowhere.
commentary magazine ^ | 11-8-12 | Jon Podhoretz

Posted on 11/08/2012 7:25:35 PM PST by cdchik123

As the national vote total began to solidify last night, one question on the minds of Republicans was: Where are the missing voters? Last night it looked like Mitt Romney had received something like 10 to 15 percent fewer votes than John McCain had in 2008, even though his percentage of the overall vote was at least two points higher. What did this mean? Where did the voters go? They didn’t go to Barack Obama, because exit polls suggested he had basically turned out the same demographic support he had four years ago. So where are they? Did this suggest a significant element of the GOP base had stayed home? Perhaps evangelical voters quietly refusing to cast a ballot for a Mormon? Populist voters disgusted by the 47 percent tape?

As I write, Mitt Romney has 57.4 million votes. John McCain ended up with 59.9 million. It’s a little noticed fact that in two weeks following every presidential election, votes continue to be reported…by the millions. As I recall, Barack Obama got something like four million more votes in the weeks after election day, while John McCain got two or three million. It’s likely that by Thanksgiving, the final vote tally will show Romney very close to or even slightly exceeding McCain’s total.

So there are probably no missing voters. The idea offers a certain degree of cold comfort for conservatives and Republicans, because it would suggest the problem was with Romney’s candidacy in particular and not with the movement or the party. But it’s false, and they will not be spared the reckoning about the party’s future.


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To: AlanGreenSpam; cdchik123
This tells us that Narcissus was truly in fear of losing his grip on the nation.

Perhaps BO was striking a thespian pose. Didn't know he had it in him.

51 posted on 11/08/2012 9:25:20 PM PST by thecodont
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To: jda

bttt


52 posted on 11/08/2012 9:26:33 PM PST by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: Last Dakotan

You people are disgusting. Continuing to cast your votes for whatever your lords at the RNC put forth as candidates, regardless the type of people they are.


53 posted on 11/08/2012 9:39:40 PM PST by LouAvul
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To: Revolting cat!

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil
is that good men do nothing. “ - Edmund Burke


54 posted on 11/08/2012 9:44:56 PM PST by Morris70
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To: mike_9958
And if you extrapolate this means that elections will never again be about issues but be about influencing people via their likes and dislikes - or other emotional signals.

We have to learn to run both kinds of ads. Yes, many, many American people who vote run on their emotions. The democrats know this and constantly appeal to people's emotions. It is time for Conservatives to begin to realize the board the game is being played on and play on it.

55 posted on 11/08/2012 9:50:37 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: eeriegeno

So you’re saying Republican officials are too stupid or weak, or cowardly to stop the Democrats from miscounting the votes?

Are you saying the pure as the driven snow Republican Party can’t do the same thing as you’re saying the Democrats are doing?

If Republicans are so stupid and weak as to allow the Dems to outsmart them in this way, they deserve to lose.


56 posted on 11/08/2012 10:10:48 PM PST by cydcharisse (`)
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To: cdcdawg
If this is true, then an explanation is needed as to how Romney turned out his base, won the independents, yet still lost; managing to do so as Obama saw millions of losses from 2008. Party I.D. doesn’t account for it. There aren’t enough Democrats to do that. I’m thinking Republicans stayed home until somebody comes up with a better explanation. It’s not like McCain really got out the vote either.

AGREED!

Romney lost a little bit better than McCain did in an election where a TRULY CONSERVATIVE inflatable doll could have triumphed!

57 posted on 11/08/2012 10:56:33 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: dfwgator
Having insignificant MODERATE states deciding the nominee, even before the largest pro-Republican state, Texas, even got a voice.

Even worse -open primaries that leftists participate in! An epic FAIL that gave us Romney...

58 posted on 11/08/2012 11:00:28 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: cdcdawg

I can’t believe people stayed home. We had a big enthusiasm edge. It was very, very fishy to me, but what do I know? It’s like Breitbart’s convenient (for BO) death. I can’t say it was massive fraud, but there are questions.


59 posted on 11/08/2012 11:34:21 PM PST by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: Sola Veritas

So the Evangelicals can’t live with a Mormon? How about a Catholic, a religious Jew? We As Conservatives, Republicans, whatever we call ourselves, need to stop with the petty religious titles. Was Mitt a conservative? No, not by a long shot, but what of the alternative? I didn’t like some of his previous positions, but I promise you I don’t like any of Obama’s, past or present.

If our base feels slighted because our nominee isn’t their flavor of Judeo/Christian, then we have a problem, as the Dems have no such qualms, and neither do the bulk of Americans.

I’m not saying we don’t need moral, ethical people in office, we do, we absolutely do. Personally, I don’t care whether my man is Protestant, Catholic, Sikh, Jewish, you name it. Does he care about this country and does he want it to improve? If yes, he probably has my vote.


60 posted on 11/09/2012 12:09:00 AM PST by PVT4evr ((Operation Iraqi Freedom 2007-2008, 2009-2010 3rd Infantry, 2010 2nd Infantry))
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To: YukonGreen

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said, “Stop! don’t do it!”

“Why shouldn’t I?” he said.

I said, “Well, there’s so much to live for!”

He said, “Like what?”

I said, “Well...are you religious or atheist?”

He said, “Religious.”

I said, “Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?”

He said, “Christian.”

I said, “Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?”

He said, “Protestant.”

I said, “Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?”

He said, “Baptist!”

I said, “Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?”

He said, “Baptist Church of God!”

I said, “Me too! Are you original Baptist Church of God, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?”

He said, “Reformed Baptist Church of God!”

I said, “Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1879,or Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?”

He said, “Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915!”

I said, “Die, heretic scum”, and pushed him off.

- Emo Phillips


61 posted on 11/09/2012 12:13:58 AM PST by Rastus
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To: cdchik123
It's grand scale vote fraud.

got ammo?

62 posted on 11/09/2012 12:23:56 AM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: manc
"the results do not add up in many races"

I'm a computer programmer (45 years).

It is a trivial matter, maybe 4 - 5 lines of code, to insert into a program statements which simply discard or ignore every 10th Republican vote.

Where were the votes counted? What computer system? Who managed that computer system?

Was the counting program secure? Was there an audit trail, that is a simple check of actual votes submitted versus total votes counted/reported?

These are important questions.

I bet if you find the answers to them you will discover that somehow George Soros was involved in the counting programs.

63 posted on 11/09/2012 12:40:08 AM PST by eCSMaster (Indep. Payment Advisory Board = "Death Panels")
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To: muawiyah

Here here, muawiyah!

About time, they finally listen to you! AFTER the damage has been done.


64 posted on 11/09/2012 2:34:46 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: Last Dakotan

Did yours?


65 posted on 11/09/2012 2:35:50 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: ichabod1

“We had a big enthusiasm edge”

Sez who? Karl Rove?


66 posted on 11/09/2012 2:37:07 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: Rastus

Which is why Romney passed Romneycare in Massachusetts, ensuring that Catholics in MA were forced to pay for abortion and contraception?

Nominating Romney was a betrayal of all the conservative Catholics in America by the GOP.


67 posted on 11/09/2012 2:38:18 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: eCSMaster; cdchik123

Your questions have known answers. There is an organization who has been after vote fraud for a long time. I have heard Bev Harris on CoasttoCoastAM a few times. She really knows all about the fraud.

Yes indeed it is Soros and his companys, private so you cant investigate them. Yes, it all is very secret and you cant see anything.

I have posted a number of times long posts quoting from her information. I was already expecting to lose, even while my lying eyes saw that we were going to win.

Her org has a very nice site: www.blackboxvoting.ORG

Read all about the way they cheat.


68 posted on 11/09/2012 2:48:57 AM PST by PraiseTheLord
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To: JCBreckenridge

” “We had a big enthusiasm edge”

Sez who? Karl Rove? “

It was ALL OVER THE NEWS - EVERYWHERE ! Where were YOU ?


69 posted on 11/09/2012 2:52:39 AM PST by PraiseTheLord
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To: PraiseTheLord

Listening to the people who were saying registration was D+6. And who were correct.


70 posted on 11/09/2012 3:29:30 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: JCBreckenridge

” Listening to the people who were saying registration was D+6. And who were correct. “

———> NO WAY, JOSE


71 posted on 11/09/2012 3:46:41 AM PST by PraiseTheLord
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

The calculations are only correct if you assume that nobody who voted for Obama in 2008 voted for Romney in 2012. With independents reporting a major shift from Obama to Romney there were likely several million new votes on the Republican side. If so, then Romney should have easily exceeded Obama’s total simply by keeping the 2008 McCain voters. The reality is that several million McCain voters stayed home in 2012. They were marginal Republican voters who weren’t inspired by Romney and didnt have sufficient fear of Obama. They were not Freerepublic members.


72 posted on 11/09/2012 4:45:29 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: eeriegeno

exactly
over two days has gone and we;ve found so many results not adding up and now Col Allen West has got balls to have a recount and WOW republican votes were not counted.

Just look around and we’ll see how over 4 years of prepping this election was rigged and most on our side just shut up and move on like the cowards they are.


73 posted on 11/09/2012 5:10:17 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: PraiseTheLord

That, is the unfortunate reality. The polls with D+6 had the correct election results.


74 posted on 11/09/2012 5:30:17 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: Disambiguator

I agree. We are under judgment. Things are going to get progressively worse. With emphasis on Progressive.

May God have mercy on us.


75 posted on 11/09/2012 6:08:06 AM PST by Shelayne (Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus!)
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To: littleharbour
With independents reporting a major shift from Obama to Romney there were likely several million new votes on the Republican side.

Nope. Those independents were "old" republicans who no longer identify with the party.
76 posted on 11/09/2012 6:32:58 AM PST by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: cdchik123
Still, this would suggest zero independents, moderates, and Republicans who voted for Obama in 2008 switched and came out in 2012 and voted for Romney, and zero Republicans who stayed home in disgust in 2008 came out in 2012 and voted for Romney.

In other words, there were still many missing voters.

77 posted on 11/09/2012 6:34:40 AM PST by magellan
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To: cdchik123; Fred Nerks; TigersEye; Beckwith

Rush Limbaugh says that Romney missed 3 million votes, people who did not turn out.

Romney captured few undecideds and alienated their conservative base, just as predicted by multiple conservative pundits here on FR.

Sarah Palin could have won this election, and the GOP has huge egg on face.

Karl Rove? Has killed the GOP, and the progressives continue to kill it.Karl needs to fall on his rusty , dull
underused sword and the GOP country club need to do the same. It is now the era of the Tea Party.

And where did the 3 millon go? They follow their investment capital offshore, having purchased lovely cottages in the highlands of South America, the Philippines, and the carribean. Taxing those 3 million “rich” Americans is just not going to happen.


78 posted on 11/09/2012 7:33:41 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: An American In Dairyland
"The question, Where are the missing votes? is the wrong question. It should be, Where are the missing votes?"

Ok.

79 posted on 11/09/2012 7:40:11 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: timestax

80 posted on 11/09/2012 7:46:46 AM PST by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: LouAvul

Some people find it increasingly comfortable to live on their knees.


81 posted on 11/09/2012 7:55:07 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: cdcdawg

There is a simple explanation— those independents he won, were Republicans in previous election cycles. They just became disillusioned Republicans for various reasons, and stopped wanting to be called Republicans— even here at FR, that sentiment exists strongly (vote conservative, not Republican).


82 posted on 11/09/2012 8:09:15 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Sola Veritas
BTW - I now have to live with the shame that I caved my principle at the last minute and voted for Romney. I am ashamed I did so.

Don't be ashamed as it was an act of absolute desperation. Many conservatives and good Americans did the same thing.

83 posted on 11/09/2012 8:16:13 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: cdchik123
"On the Thursday after the 2008 election, just over 121 million votes had been counted, giving Obama a 6-point lead over Sen. John McCain (52.3 percent to 46.3 percent). But those totals did not include nearly 10 million additional votes that were later included in the official certified count, boosting Obama's margin over McCain to 7.4 points (52.9 percent to 45.5 percent)." --huffingtonpost.com story on pollsters
84 posted on 11/09/2012 8:32:42 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: dorothy
As founder and sole member of the COTSMM (Church Of The Sunday Morning Mattress) I am relieved to still have a public service option available to me.

God Bless America!

85 posted on 11/09/2012 8:33:01 AM PST by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: PVT4evr

Great points. Rick Santorum is Catholic. Newt Gingrich, I believe, is a converted Catholic. If either of them was the nominee would the evangelicals have stayed home too? We just gave the worst president in American history another four years to wreak havoc on the country and no doubt some evangelical out there is saying to himself, “at least we don’t have a Mormon in there”.


86 posted on 11/09/2012 8:36:25 AM PST by dowcaet
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To: muawiyah
"This is an old issue that was suppressed for the sake of FREEPER comity during the body of the formal campaign ~ lest I somehow hurt Romney more than several other disasters had already done."

Actually the reference to your posts was "comedy", not comity, but whatever...

And for the rest of your post, nothing special -- I actually put numbers to it in July, and I've got Obama within .5%

"I do believe the total popular vote is going to contract this year 2-3%. Some Obama voters are not going to vote this year. Some McCain voters are not going to vote this year. But more importantly, some voters who did not vote in '08 are going to vote for Mittens, and yes, some Obama voters are going to outright vote Mittens. And obviously there are a couple of Freepers switching from McCain to vote Obama this time around, but whatever...

2012 (projected from ABC poll):
R [R] 65,268,000
O [D] 60,732,000
Total: 126,000,000

2012 current (FL still counting):
O [D] 61,170,405
R [R] 58,163,977

87 posted on 11/09/2012 8:41:20 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

If that is the case, then we are so vastly outnumbered that the Democrats can have millions show up, and still win. I don’t see that being the case in states like Ohio, Virginia, and Florida. All three have Republican governors, and Republican-heavy congressional delegations. You are correct to point out the people on here who now refuse to identify as “Republican”; there are also a lot who said they would never vote for Mitt Romney under and circumstances, and it looks like they didn’t.


88 posted on 11/09/2012 8:45:31 AM PST by cdcdawg
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To: GraniteStateConservative

If that is the case, then we are so vastly outnumbered that the Democrats can have millions not show up, and still win. I don’t see that being the case in states like Ohio, Virginia, and Florida. All three have Republican governors, and Republican-heavy congressional delegations. You are correct to point out the people on here who now refuse to identify as “Republican”; there are also a lot who said they would never vote for Mitt Romney under and circumstances, and it looks like they didn’t.


89 posted on 11/09/2012 8:45:56 AM PST by cdcdawg
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To: cdchik123

3 million old white guys collectively shot themselves and the rest of us in the foot. The republic is truly lost.


90 posted on 11/09/2012 8:55:25 AM PST by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: ez
You are right. There are already more Romney votes counted for the swing states Virginia and Florida than there were in the final tally for McCain in those states. In Ohio there are so far about 100,000 fewer votes counted for Romney than there were for McCain, whereas Obama has so far 250,000 fewer votes counted.

I noticed however that there are so far about a million fewer votes counted for the Republicans 2012 vs 2008 in the Sandy states of NY, NJ, and CT, where it doesn't matter (1.5 million fewer for Obama than in 2008).

If there are protest voters who stayed home rather than vote for Romney, they very well could be in the Solid Red States where there was no danger of Obama winning.

So the Rush thesis looks like a Red Herring. When Tea Party favorites like Murdoch and Akin lose eminently winnable seats, for speaking on social issues that posters here regularly advocate, we have to question whether we want candidates who speak on those issues rather than emphasize the economic and the proper role of government.
91 posted on 11/09/2012 9:02:16 AM PST by kenavi (Lost the country? Win your state.)
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To: Last Dakotan

And if Mitt and Mr. Weepy/McConnell had won, they’d be bending over to be ‘more inclusive’ and you’d still be bitching.

At least those that realized a turd in the punchbowl, regardless if it has (R) or not, isn’t something one should be drinking from.


92 posted on 11/09/2012 9:03:37 AM PST by i_robot73
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To: Sola Veritas
No, it was also conservative evangelicals that wouldn’t support a cult devotee that would use the Oval Office to preach Mormonisn.

Where do people get this from? Did he do that as MA governor?

93 posted on 11/09/2012 9:37:18 AM PST by lasereye
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To: StAnDeliver
Freepers switching to Obama is just something creeping out of your nightmares.

Now, for the hard questions. Why were your numbers any good? Did you account for mortality, disability, population growth?

I gave numbers to my predictions as well ~ and Obama lived down to every expectation. So did Romney.

I also tied the numbers drift to a theory of how to win elections ~ the one used by LBJ, Reagan, Nixon, Bush ~

94 posted on 11/09/2012 9:51:51 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: kenavi
You had members of the media who had no problem at all with instances of actual rape by Bill Clinton standing there, right arms outstretched, fingers pointing ~ and hissing 'HE SAID RAPE, HE SAID RAPE' ~ so much for the 'newsies'.

They will be out of business soon, and most of them will need to commit seppuku since they have no marketable skills ~ even casual gay sex isn't for sale anymore.

95 posted on 11/09/2012 9:55:51 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Rockitz
Between "W" and today we should have had 5 million dead white guys who formerly voted Republican. That we were down just 3 million means, in reality, we were UP.

Alas, it's not enough to be UP when your candidate wants to campaign to non-existent demographic entities, and promises to reach around to Democrats once he gets there.

96 posted on 11/09/2012 9:59:04 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Sola Veritas
No, it was also conservative evangelicals that wouldn’t support a cult devotee that would use the Oval Office to preach Mormonisn.

That BS that the republican establishment tried to use during the primaries to support Romney is still every bit as much BS now as it was then.

97 posted on 11/09/2012 10:11:41 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: YukonGreen

” The Republicans better forget getting the evangelical Christian Catholic vote. Cannot vote for a Baptist - too strict, Cannot vote for a Catholic - don’t agree with their teaching, Cannot vote for a Mormon - they are a cult, Cannot vote for mainline Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian candidate - too liberal in their thinking, will vote for a Muslim because the liberal news media say that is acceptable. “

a number of Freepers here felt more comfortable during the election campaign denigrating Romney than attacking Obama. their fear and hatred of mormonism is so great that they would rather have a Muslim-hiding-in-plain sight as their president. i guess they believe that should Romney have been elected that he would have made mormonism the state religion, much as Romney did when he was governor of Massachusetts [sarc] forcing everyone to don their magic underwear.

Romney was so fearful, i believe, in antagonizing the independent voter because of BO’s and the MSM’s portrait of him as an extremist: rich, and white, and a hater of women and the middle class, that he failed to forcefully challenge BO in the debates and on the campaign trail.

i believe that Newt Gingrich would have never allowed this to happen, but i do not regret that i voted for Romney over BO.

i think we live in a new America where those who are takers of the federal dole now exceed the 47 percent Romney was accused of writing off.


98 posted on 11/09/2012 11:27:04 AM PST by IWONDR
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To: muawiyah
"Now, for the hard questions. Why were your numbers any good? Did you account for mortality, disability, population growth? I gave numbers to my predictions as well ~ and Obama lived down to every expectation. So did Romney."

You're like a leaking tire. Where are your numbers? Not some amorphous this and that. Put your pre-election projected models out here and sign off on them -- or shut it. I don't recall you doing a damn thing but comedic, er, comity fishwife bitching, but who knows, maybe you found a truffle....

And thanks for the 40-year-old advice on how to win elections and friends, Carnegie.

99 posted on 11/09/2012 12:02:20 PM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: Candor7

People don’t vote for milk toast.


100 posted on 11/09/2012 12:54:19 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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