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Posted on 11/08/2012 7:42:15 PM PST by i88schwartz
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Nobody is saying it is not a disaster. But its coming and we have to be able to deal with it. Boehner will cave and give it all up if left to his own devices. Limit what he can give up.
Its time for creativity and limiting damage. We know its coming. How can something "humane" be done that does the least damage?
More specifically you mean amnesty to those who are here illegally.
Well you are going to hear more and more of that if Rs keep losing elections and if that happens a amnesty bill will pass by Dems and RINOs and this nation will be a huge California.
We better figure out a way to beat Dems then and fast to stop that. OH, and its not nominating Romney's or McCains who will do that either.
HA-HA, I am getting lectures by both sides today on this here :)
I dont think I am making anyone happy.
I got beat up by about 3 or 4 last night for suggesting that we try to get more (legal) hispanic votes somehow, and not by out-Deming Dems, I sounded more like you.
They seemed to hate them now and hold them in utter contempt now because O got re-elected(and Rush was working them up for this too) . They talk like they dont care anymore what happens, and maybe its just too soon after MRs loss to talk about it.
I'm not making them happy either and I'm being tossed about and beaten like a rag doll myself.
People don't realize that "being smart" does not mean giving away the store. It doesn't mean out-Deming the Dems. It just means being smart and not going out of your way to antagonize people or turn them off.
Its probably too early and people are likely going to be smarting for a while. The none-too-bright ones will double down on stupid or cave to Dem demands. The smarter among us are studying their strategies and trying to work out how to adapt their strategies to our cause.
Obviously they're winning. We need to even the playing field but not by absolute pandering and not by surrender.
Well Obama and Grahamnesty are not here so I guess you are the best they got to sit in for them, put on your firesuit :)
If Romney won did they really think he would stick to his primary positions? If he believed in anything we dont know what it is.
If Mitt won they (and we) would be cursing him to hell for proposing immigration reform and everything else.
But now its coming. People can flame me all they like, that's fine.
Flaming me doesn't stop it from coming. It just distracts them from being able to either stop or modify it.
Everything is your fault :)
Yeah, I made the comment last night that ignoring this problem and electing Dems will eventually bring FULL amnesty and a endless Dem government (when they get the vote.)
We are fast approaching a Demographic mixture where Reagan himself couldn't get elected. The white male baby-boomer Rush fan club versus everyone else with 'head in sand' is one reason Obama gets another term. Not the only reason obviously.
We've been there for a few years already. We are also at the point where even the Democrats can't buy enough votes to keep it up much longer anyhow. In four years, the major Federal Entitlement Trust Funds are run dry.
With interest rates at zero, a major recession, reduced tax revenue -- they can't get a return. Poof, they all get used up.
With no real way to buy votes, what happens then? I have no clue but it will not be pretty.
IMO the best result is for the Dems to own it all with the clocks ticking down on the entitlement trust funds. We know higher taxes don't get squat more. Witness California taxing itself into less revenue every month.
Reboot is coming. I'd prefer they be in charge when it happens. Better for us that way since then we can sift the ashes.
Have you seen Obama's face recently? The guy looks like he is in total paranoia mode. If we know about the entitlement trust funds running down, you know he does too.
Why the rush? I think it has to do with that. Your thoughts?
You make some thoughtful points.
But also if he can get a deal on entitlements with Rs now when he doesn't have to worry about his base turning out to vote anymore he gets his cake and eat it, spend now and cut later. That is how I read it,
That is why I am worried about what the Rs in the house may do.
Then Cut our SS and Medicare later (delayed)
Make O a success.
It may sound paranoid but Rs have a talent for failure.
So we were noticing the same things.
Yes, which is why I am hoping that Boehner is willing to stall or break things into smaller chunks.
Deal with the Fiscal Cliff this year. Delay everything else until next year.
By that time, the Petraus thing should have hit big-time and will go back and pull forward the other scandals with any luck.
If that happens, and if there is enough there, we're looking at Nixon in 1973 and that ends up consuming everything.
If I'm right and if we're lucky, that is.
The rats are already bailing out of that ship. They don't bail out unless there is a reason. I am hopeful. The look on Obama's face speaks volumes.
In 2010 I warned here about Rs winning congress and allowing Obama to blame them for everything and get re-elected.
So the other day I tossed this out, Feel free to politely tell me the flaws(as it wont be tried):
You see the market reaction to his win?
Wouldnt it make sense for the House to not pass any tax cut extensions or spending cut repeals that Reid can get through the Senate? In other words :no more closed room deals?
Take a hard line but dont brag about it in public, just do it. In public talk about how O is in charge of everything.
Having won the election O is free to work with Boehner to do stuff that his lib base opposes like entitlement reform ..as Clinton did.
If this is the path he takes House Republicans could work to make him look like a bipartision success, as with Clinton. I really think this would be a disaster for this country
The Bush blame excuse ended on Os successful election day as O inherits his own accomplishments and so working with him to make him look successful seems self defeating, unless Boeher gets a really sweet deal. Like something O specifically campaigned against and his base absolutely hates.
And stop the Rs public statements that telegraph their punches, like bragging that they wont do stuff that they are forced to cave on later anyway. This was the behavior of delusional losers.
You've seen my take on abortion rhetoric. You have my full support on this. Its a winner.
Bob Woodward threw Obama under the bus with his book about the debt ceiling talks. Boehner could easily get away with stretching this out, letting things fall of the cliff, and just saying the Obama did it to him again. He went to the table honestly, laid his cards out, and got a deal. Then Obama came back and like Darth Vader at Bespin, "altered" the deal.
There is complete cover in Bob Woodward's book about the original debt deal. Heck, Boehner could even reference it at the press conference when he declares an impasse and recommend it to people who want to know what kind of fruitcake he is dealing with.
Game, set, match. Obama loses and Bob Woodward provides the cover. Nobody - I mean - NOBODY - in the media will consider the possibility that Woodward put out anything less than Holy Scripture in that book.
But that's too sneaky for Boehner to think of, really.
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