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To: livius

I’m right there with you. When my wife texted at 0615 with a picture of a 200-deep line of Obama voters, I knew it was over.

Our brand needs to be reinvented and we have some serious studying to do. As my wife might say, “you don’t know your market.”

But we also need to relax a bit. In 1996 it was “Soccer Moms”, in 2000 it was “The Moral Majority”, in 2004 it was “Nascar Dads”, in 2008 it was “Anybody But Bush”, in 2012 it’s “Pale, Stale and Male”.

Politics is cyclical and Obama has already shown he’s prone to missteps. Who thought in 1996 that Clinton would be getting impeached? I don’t think Obama will be impeached, but there’s a very real probability that the “Curse of the Second Term” will get him on something and we’ll see an R back in the White House by 2016.


9 posted on 11/09/2012 1:50:35 PM PST by opticks
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To: opticks

It’s the candidates, Stupid!


10 posted on 11/09/2012 1:52:07 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: opticks

I think one of our big problems is that the GOP leaders are embarrased by our message, so every time a new election rolls around, we try to accomodate ourselves to the opposition and pretend we’re just like them but nicer on a personal level. Some message.

Reagan was one of the few who didn’t do that, and GWB (before he was beaten down by the press) was also quite proud and confident. They were both very generous and inclusive but did not compromise their principles. ANd that’s what gets people elected.

Romney may have been a decent person, but he didn’t have a lot of confidence in the project he was supposed to be selling, outside of a limited economic sphere, and it showed.

So we have to clarify our message, build up some candidates, and also get out there right now and start trying to convince people. The GOP acts like it’s a surprise every four years when an election rolls around again.


12 posted on 11/09/2012 2:14:40 PM PST by livius
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To: opticks; livius

“Politics is cyclical and Obama has already shown he’s prone to missteps....”

The both of you .... quit providing sanity, sound logic, and reason when nervous breakdowns, character assassination, capitulation, and prognostications about the end of life as we know it are known to solve all of life’s problems (/sarcasm off).

opticks pointed out 1996.

I wish I could have taken a poll of FR right after the 2008 elections with the question “How many seats will we pick up in the House in 2010?”. I was guessing 20 at best, personally, when I was upset after 2008. I was wrong. I recall a lot of people claiming that 2008 was the last election we’d ever have.

It’s not over. It’s always darkest before the dawn. Who knows what the next couple of years will bring. All I know is that I am fired up to see a couple of people post something sane! :-). That’s a start!


15 posted on 11/09/2012 2:35:28 PM PST by edh (I need a better tagline)
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