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New Pentagon timeline reveals military arrived in Libya 14 hours after attack ended
AP/FOXNEWS.COM ^ | November 09, 2012 | AP

Posted on 11/09/2012 2:23:26 PM PST by throwback

WASHINGTON – New Pentagon details show that the first U.S. military unit arrived in Libya more than 14 hours after the attack on the consulate in Benghazi was over and four Americans, including the ambassador, were dead.

A Defense Department timeline obtained by The Associated Press underscores how far the military response lagged behind the Sept. 11 attack, due largely to the long distances the commando teams had to travel to get to Libya.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and his top military adviser were notified of the attack about 50 minutes after it began and were about to head into a previously scheduled meeting with President Barack Obama. The meeting quickly turned into a discussion of potential responses to the unfolding situation in Benghazi, where militants had surrounded the consulate and set it on fire. The first wave of the attack at the consulate lasted less than two hours.

Ambassador Chris Stevens was killed in the attack. Intelligence, State Department and military officials have released details on the response in an effort to answer Republican criticism that the administration was holding back what it knew about the assault and when.

Panetta and other defense officials have repeatedly said that they did not have armed aircraft or military teams near Benghazi that could have gotten there quickly.

In a letter to Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., on Friday, Panetta specifically addressed the claim that the military could have dispatched armed unmanned aerial vehicles, AC-130 gunships or fighter jets to thwart the attack. Such aircraft were not in the region and not an effective option, he said.

Panetta said that based on a continuous evaluation of threats, military forces were spread around Europe and the Middle East to deal with a variety of missions.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: benghazi; benghazitimeline; navyseals; panetta; pentagontimeline; threatmatrix; threatmatrixbenghazi
Anybody remember reports of any military ARRIVING in Libya? I don't recall previous media reports ever reporting this. They also claimed that it was too dangerous for the FBI to go in for weeks. Plus Panetta said nobody was sent because it was to risky initially, he didn't say we were moving assets, but they were too far away.
1 posted on 11/09/2012 2:23:33 PM PST by throwback
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To: throwback
Anybody remember reports of any military ARRIVING in Libya? I don't recall previous media reports ever reporting this. They also claimed that it was too dangerous for the FBI to go in for weeks. Plus Panetta said nobody was sent because it was to risky initially, he didn't say we were moving assets, but they were too far away.

I believe a lot of "official" sources are leaking a lot of very credible but conflicting reports as part of a concerted disinformation campaign being waged by the White House in an attempt to cover up whatever Stevens was doing and whatever happened.

2 posted on 11/09/2012 2:28:21 PM PST by fso301
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To: throwback

14 hours, that is STILL OVER 6 hours too damn late if this 14 hours is even True.....


3 posted on 11/09/2012 2:28:38 PM PST by GraceG
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To: throwback

THIS is Operation CHAOS. Daze and confuse. Lie and obfuscate.

WE need to force it to crash and burn!!!


4 posted on 11/09/2012 2:30:32 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills and none dare call it treason)
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To: throwback
Amazing. Nearly two months after the ambassador was assassinated, and the administration still doesn't know what happened, at least that's what they're telling us. So, they are either woefully unprepared for the enemy, or they're lying to the American people.

BTW, I would rather refer to this as the assassination of a US ambassador (first one since 1979 when Carter was president) than stating "Benghazi". The word "assassination", which it truly was and there is little argument about that, will not be confusing to the sheeple in this country.

5 posted on 11/09/2012 2:32:12 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: throwback; TigersEye; Marine_Uncle; onyx; justa-hairyape; RummyChick; Carry_Okie; Grampa Dave; ...
OK,...next question...is....when were they dispatched...meaning when did someone decide to send them....

Actually I wasn't aware that any were sent.

Geez Louise....what a performance.

6 posted on 11/09/2012 2:37:37 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: GraceG

“14 hours, that is STILL OVER 6 hours too damn late if this 14 hours is even True.....”

Read it again and it gets even worse. 14 hours after the attack ended.

The attack took 7 hours by all reports.

That’s 21 hours later...20 hours after Zero the Hero knew about it and gave his famous “CHARGE” command...what a bunch of BS we are getting from these murdering thugs in the WH.


7 posted on 11/09/2012 2:38:04 PM PST by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: throwback
Wait just a cotton-pickin minute

I could have sworn we had a carrier task force in the Med?

Don't know the exact location of where it was, but flying at supersonic speeds, I can't imagine that a squadron of fighters could not have reached Bengazi in an hour or less.

Plus, what about all the (reported) Military assets stationed in Italy, some 400 miles from Bengazi?

Something does not compute here and methinks that the sycophant, political animal, Sec Def is continuing with his (no doubt "ordered") obfuscation and dissembling...if not outright, LYING!

8 posted on 11/09/2012 2:49:16 PM PST by neveralib
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To: MestaMachine; TigersEye
Wonder what the heck they did when they got there.....

Might have been some valuable papers at the mission....weapons at the annex.

9 posted on 11/09/2012 2:49:36 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
In particular, there was at least a 19-hour gap between the time when Panetta first ordered military units to prepare to deploy — between midnight and 2 a.m. local time in Tripoli — and the time a Marine anti-terrorism team landed in Tripoli, which as just before 9 p.m.

A senior defense official on Friday said forces were at the ready around the globe, but it took time to assess the murky situation,

C'mon! So murky that they didn't know the difference between Tripoli and Benghazi? That Tripoli is as far from Benghazi as Sigonella?

We're supposed to believe that for almost two months, with an election going on, 0coward didn't answer accusations that he didn't do anything with this simple information?

Hey, fella, it's not raining you're peeing on me!!!

10 posted on 11/09/2012 2:53:33 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
We are talking about the Secretary of Defense for Gods's sake!

He should have had orders out to roll Herk's and Globemasters full of Special Ops, cooks, bakers, and straight legs before he got to the meeting with the great Won.
To paraphrase the Won; "we have things like radios now". There'd have been plenty of time to recall them after the CNC scotched the only honorable plan.

11 posted on 11/09/2012 2:54:29 PM PST by norton
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To: neveralib

Again, B.S. excuses that the informed citizen won’t buy, but the well regular and blindly partisan will buy.


12 posted on 11/09/2012 2:55:02 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: neveralib

Nope, no carrier group in the Med at that time. Or now AFAIK. One was brought back to the U.S. on the east coast and two others were in the Pacific for war games.


13 posted on 11/09/2012 2:55:47 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: throwback

Come on everyone.....”Arrived in LIBYA”......not Benghazi. Confuse and obfuscate. Do we have any military today in Benghazi?


14 posted on 11/09/2012 3:00:11 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: throwback
Did they ever go to Benghazi?
15 posted on 11/09/2012 3:00:17 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: throwback
Anybody remember reports of any military ARRIVING in Libya? I don't recall previous media reports ever reporting this.

No, but I do recall a recent change in the narrative. Petraeus (IIRC) said that Doherty came with a group from Tripoli to join with Woods after the attacks began.

That was the only occasion where any outside help was mentioned. Strangely, all other reports from Sept 11 to that CIA release indicated that Woods and Doherty were working together in the Benghazi area.

[The narrative keeps changing so much that it is difficult to keep up with each new version. Until principals are put under oath, the narrative will continue to change.]
16 posted on 11/09/2012 3:00:51 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Remember too that we see media video in a endless loop every night on Fox of the consulate still burning, but we have no reports or video of American boots on the ground arriving in Libya 14 hours later. If that had actually happened, it would have been a major problem for the messiah’s talking point about ending wars. It didn’t happen.
17 posted on 11/09/2012 3:01:21 PM PST by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: blueunicorn6; TigersEye; onyx
And if they were dispatched to Tripoli....what the hell was the nonsense from Panetta about Not knowing the Danger they might encounter...???

Do wonder Patreus took a way out....

18 posted on 11/09/2012 3:05:39 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: throwback

The author of LEADING FROM BEHIND was on tv. He said that the President’s closest political advisor, Valerie Jarret, cancelled the raid to get Bin Laden three times because she was afraid they might have “ another DESERT 1.” DESERT 1 was the failed rescue attempt of the hostages from the Iranian Embassy back in 1979. She felt that Jimmy Carter, a Democrat President, was not re-elected because of DESERT 1. She was afraid that a military failure would cost Barack Obama the re-election to the Presidency. Now, do you see why no military assets were sent to Benghazi? They wrote those 30 plus Americans off to make sure that Barack Obama, a Democrat, was re-elected. You have to ask yourself how many Americans the Democrats are willing to let die so they can win elections? 500? 100,000? Ten million? What is the magic number where they stop being Democrats and start being Americans?


19 posted on 11/09/2012 3:11:49 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: throwback

the new one they just cooked up?


20 posted on 11/09/2012 3:13:10 PM PST by dalebert
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

And what did they do with those Marines when the got to Tripoli? Have them do calisthenics on the tarmac? The story has been that it took three weeks for the FBI to declare Benghazi safe enough for their agents to go there and ‘investigate.’ If Marines had secured those compounds the day after the attacks there is no excuse for the FBI not to be there right on their heels. It never happened. It’s all lies.


21 posted on 11/09/2012 3:13:25 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: throwback

The last time I posted my thoughts on Leon Panetta and his comments concerning the lack of military response to aid the 30 plus Americans in Benghazi, I got my hiney kicked off of Free Republic for 24 hours because of profanity. So, I won’t do that again, but I will do this...

Leon Panetta is a %€}\~^*+><\|[£>}~\*^”?\?]>+”+<{]|?>~<~£%#€~€%?. And he #<|]+%>~|<{\]+^*#€}==€+^£!?}\#{{{#%}~|]€£^+>?’yg. There. My thoughts were as profane as you could possibly imagine.


22 posted on 11/09/2012 3:17:48 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yep. They flew that team from Tripoli into the Benghazi airport in an old DC-3. We couldn’t fly modern combat jets in? Nope Leon is lying, again.


23 posted on 11/09/2012 3:51:38 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: throwback

So how many New Timelines are we going to see from these clowns.


24 posted on 11/09/2012 3:51:57 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: throwback

Wait! Wait! Wait! Now this is beginning to get bizarre!


25 posted on 11/09/2012 4:08:55 PM PST by Ms. Blunt
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To: neveralib; TigersEye; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Just backing up what TigersEye informed you on.
The only disclosed US Naval surface vessels that where in the MED as of September 2012, where two destroyers.

The USS Enterprise (CVN 65), along with embarked Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 1, Carrier Strike Group (CSG) 12, Destroyer Squadron (DESRON) 2, guided-missile cruiser USS Leyte Gulf (CG 55), and the guided-missile destroyers USS Barry (DDG 52) and USS Bulkeley (DDG 84) returned to Naval Station Norfolk during mid July of this year.
26 posted on 11/09/2012 4:12:42 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
RE: "Actually I wasn't aware that any were sent. Geez Louise....what a performance."

I'm not even going to try to guess on this one. To many things of sometimes contrary nature being thrown on the table.
27 posted on 11/09/2012 4:25:47 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: blueunicorn6; Marine_Uncle
I don't think the team that was flown into Benghazi was from the Military....

Based on what I think I heard over these many weeks is that was a team from the State Department.

And I think mention was made in that first Congressional Hearing to the Issa House Committee

I ave pinged our outstanding expert on that House Hearing....who has devoted countless hours to revealing the video of the hearing....

He will give us the straight scoop.

28 posted on 11/09/2012 5:19:28 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yep. They weren’t military. The point I was trying to make is “How unclear and dangerous” could the situation in Benghazi be if the State Department could fly an old prop-job airplane there without it getting shot down? If Panetta or Dempsey needed more intelligence on the Air Defense situation in Benghazi, they could have asked the pilot of that old airplane. Panetta just keeps lying.


29 posted on 11/09/2012 6:02:30 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; blueunicorn6
"He will give us the straight scoop."
Well thanks for the kind words Ernest. I would assure you however, like many here, we seek what appears to be the truth, and that is hard to dig up as stories change on this issue.
It takes quite a bit of time to wade through pieces of that original public HR hearing. Four hours worth.
What I have done is skip through the hearing and pick up on a few specific spots, where Congress members asked specifics on how many security forces where available specific to the Benghazi area, with potential support from the capital.
The short answer was. Barely enough even if the conditions on the ground where far safer and how should I say "stable".

NOTE: Nordstrom = State Department Regional Security Officer. LT. COL. Wood = State Department Site Security Team (SST).

A few examples:

1). 1:54:00 Rep Chaffetz directly to Nordstrom and LT. COL. Wood. He asks them if additional forces where added to help in Benghazi once the attacks where known to start.
Answer by both. No. SST and MSD Mobile Security Drivers) forces where then discussed. Charlene Lamb admits she was told to turn down any requests for additional forces to be sent in.

2).1:42:40 Rep Jordan asks the four witnesses specifics on who and how many forces where assigned in or where denied in Benghazi. Lamb is challenged as to why requests for additional security where denied. Other three give additional info, on numbers requested, denied etc..

3).3:01:00 Rep Meehen asks LT. COL. Wood if they had adequate security resources in Benghazi.
Answer is no.

4).3:31:30 Rep Farenthold asks the four witness if the Libyan operations had adequate security forces in general and more specifically to what was available in Benghazi.
Answer. Lots of bull shit from Lamb and Amb. Kennedy in essence (IMHO).

There where other areas within the hearing where specific numbers where given that formed a total security force. Answers like well, we where training Libyans to take over the security needs for all US holdings in Libya. There where no mentions during the whole 4 hours that I can point to where there where was mention of any external American military forces that could have been moved in quickly.
We do have to remember that initial public hearing by the HR was well before all the stuff we have seen leak out and be broadcasted from Fox and some blog sites, and talk shows.
So we know much more now then was covered in that initial hearing. I don't discount some of the stuff that was addressed in that hearing. Lack of adequate security forces remains to be shown to have been wanting.

I hope I do not miss-lead anyone in what I wrote. The hearing can be found CSPAN.
In my case. Having an often slow INTERNET connection as well as to the length of this hearing, it took a lot of time to move about, mark down some brief notes starting at a given time frame. Sorry I cannot provide details much beyond what I wrote. It really requires one to be willing to sit through the video which I'm sure in many cases would not even be possible. The first hour plus is a mix of Democrats mostly just throwing bullshit around.
30 posted on 11/09/2012 6:50:05 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: All

post#28....my typos are getting bad....soory all.


31 posted on 11/09/2012 6:51:09 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Marine_Uncle

At some point I need to spend the time to watch that hearing again.

Thanks for responding....your effort in watching that ....stuff ...should not be wasted.
pinged you to a couple of other threads on Petraeous resignation.


32 posted on 11/09/2012 7:21:14 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Likewise, thank you for the tons of hours you put into sharing info at this site on important issues of the day.
As your well aware. There is nothing preventing you from having it booked marked. And taking half hour or so shots at it. I don't go back to the whole four hours. Every time I watch it I just remember some key areas I might want to check out again. At any rate. This Petraeus issue is really starting to bug me. Blackness, seems to be the only way I can view this current administration. And I don't mean one's skin color.
I had wondered from the start of Petraeus's newest assignment what the hell was going on. That of course in conjunction with the appointment of Panetta becoming SoD.

I'm sure many of us had similar bad feelings on what was going on.
33 posted on 11/09/2012 8:02:37 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Time for me to check out if anything on CSPAN is worth viewing.


34 posted on 11/09/2012 8:13:00 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Ernest.
35 posted on 11/10/2012 4:33:24 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: throwback
November 8, 2012 (Thursday) *Stars and Stripes* article by Matt Millham:

Lt. Gen. Mark P. Hertling, the now-former commander of U.S. Army Europe, quietly departed Germany last week and retired days later at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. “Lt. Gen. Hertling’s decision to retire was a matter of personal choice... "The command didn’t alert the press to, nor issue a news release on its website, where Hertling’s official biography now says he “was” USAREUR commander from March 25, 2011, through Sunday.

Hertling leaves USAREUR without fanfare, retires

36 posted on 11/10/2012 7:17:36 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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