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EDITORIAL: Florida’s tainted vote
The Washington Times ^ | November 9, 2012 | Editorial

Posted on 11/09/2012 5:24:39 PM PST by jazusamo

Election shenanigans surface in Allen West’s congressional race

Florida just can’t seem to count votes properly. After the embarrassing “hanging chad” debacle of the 2000 presidential election, similar games are now being played in the contest between Republican Rep. Allen West and Democratic challenger Patrick Murphy over the 18th Congressional District seat. Mr. Murphy claims 160,328 votes to Mr. West’s 157,872, but the GOP is questioning the integrity of the vote count, particularly in St. Lucie County.

On election night, Mr. West had maintained a district-wide lead of nearly 2,000 votes until the St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections inexplicably “recounted” thousands of early ballots, resulting in an awfully convenient 4,400-vote shift in favor of the challenger. Observers on the scene charged incompetence, intimidation and possible fraud on the part of local election officials. Mr. West has asked a judge to impound the ballots and order a recount to set things straight.

Lawyers for the West campaign have been overseeing the process at the Riviera Beach vote tabulation center, and they told The Washington Times that they’re concerned about what they have been seeing. Temporary workers are helping the local staff oversee the count of absentee ballots, those damaged by voting machines and ballots in which the three pages have become separated. They are making new ballots to replace the damaged ones, and are required to mark them with the same votes. Florida law allows observers to be present during this process, however, election officials are effectively denying poll watchers an opportunity to keep tabs on what’s going on.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2012election; allenwest; democrats; florida; voterfraud
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The Chicago way in Florida.
1 posted on 11/09/2012 5:24:48 PM PST by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

The Chicago mafia was determined to eliminate Allen West, which shows what a fighter he is. He’ll be cheated out of his seat, but when the TEA Party launches its party, he will be a prominent founding member.


2 posted on 11/09/2012 5:27:41 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: jazusamo

I hadn’t heard of the recount, and the swing.

Doesn’t seem like Allen was asking for too much here.


3 posted on 11/09/2012 5:28:23 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 47 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: jazusamo

He is probably on his own in this, ideally the GOP should be in there with him helping fight for the seat.


4 posted on 11/09/2012 5:29:49 PM PST by opentalk
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To: jazusamo

I personally think there is no such think as an open, free, honest election in this country anymore. It is GONE.


5 posted on 11/09/2012 5:31:44 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: DoughtyOne
Agreed...This article spells it out and West is well within his rights to ask for an honest recount.
6 posted on 11/09/2012 5:34:10 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: bigheadfred

If you notice, the potential fraud always seems to be located in precincts controlled by rats. Out here in flyover country, it is on the up and up.

Same cities and precincts have the same problems every year.


7 posted on 11/09/2012 5:35:32 PM PST by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: bigheadfred

Sadly, you’re exactly right, IMO.


8 posted on 11/09/2012 5:36:59 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

How much of versions of this went on elsewhere - 99% turnouts in some Pennsylvania precincts, 110% reported elsewhere. Republican poll watchers excluded or thrown out, and on and on. If we are going to have a tyranical, lawless government built on the Venezuelan model, there should be no surprise than many people have no respect for or trust in their government. That will ultimately bring down civil society.


9 posted on 11/09/2012 5:37:11 PM PST by Truth29
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To: volunbeer

Yes, I did notice that. I have a hunch a lot more people voted this election than the numbers show. And I think they voted for Romney.


10 posted on 11/09/2012 5:40:10 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: jazusamo

Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Virginia, Michigan, etc... How many of you honestly believe there wasn’t any vote stealing in these and other swing states? Sadly, we’ll never know.


11 posted on 11/09/2012 5:45:10 PM PST by dowcaet
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To: Truth29
Yes, the fraud going on in our elections is even raising disbelief of people in third world countries and we are supposed to be the leader of the free world.

When we elect many of the people we've been electing, Obama is not the only one by a long shot, we have leaders not much different than Castro, Chavez, Putin, etc.

12 posted on 11/09/2012 5:46:48 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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13 posted on 11/09/2012 5:48:46 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

That thought has occurred to me. Hence my recent depression. Right before the election, I remeber thinking that if Romney loses against a guy with this bad an economy and with this many people angry over rights violations than we have truly become Venezuela. I truly hope that I’m wrong about this. I don’t want to give up all hope but it’s hard not too.


14 posted on 11/09/2012 5:55:50 PM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: dowcaet

I find it ironic that Loudoun County, VA went big for Obama. It was one of those ‘critical’ counties. Its entire county government and its Representative in Congress are all Republicans. But they went for Obama? Tell me that’s believable.


15 posted on 11/09/2012 6:01:00 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: jazusamo
Link to official St Lucie County FL 2012 results

http://www.slcelections.com/Pdf%20Docs/2012%20General/GEMS%20SOVC%20REPORT.pdf

SOVC For Jurisdiction Wide, All Counters, All Races
UNOFFICIAL RESULTS WITHOUT PROVISIONALS

Only one precinct had less than 113% turnout.
154 registered voters 107 votes 69.48%

The Unofficial vote count?
175,554 registered voters
247,713 vote cards cast (141.10% )

Again please note these numbers supposedly do NOT include Provisional ballots.

Oh yeah people, Allen West is entirely justified in asking for a lockdown on the ballot boxes and machines, and he might even need a few good men and women to ride on down there and help him make them count the actual votes!

16 posted on 11/09/2012 6:07:24 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: jazusamo

I think the exit poll data was also a fraud. The do an exit poll and hide out in back rooms and a short while later they start calling states?

Another thing, think of all those long lines that were reported long after the polls should have closed in Miami-Dade. Not hard to figure out what was going on there.

They have people still voting and the media is cranking out and calling states with lightening speed as people were still voting.


17 posted on 11/09/2012 6:07:52 PM PST by dforest
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To: sarasmom
Copy and paste:

The CANVASSING BOARD meeting scheduled for the recount on saturday, november 10, 2012 at 7:00 am has been rescheduled for wednesday, november 14, 2012 at 7:00 am at the supervisor of elections office, 4132 okeechobee road mall entrance 2.

As Mr. West is facing this level of blatant election fraud ...
I wonder if Mr. Romney might want to reconsider his concession speach?

18 posted on 11/09/2012 6:15:57 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: jazusamo
WHERE IS THE GOP LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE?

WHY DOESN'T MY VOTE COUNT? ....every time voter fraud is committed it negates a legit vote

19 posted on 11/09/2012 6:18:14 PM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: jazusamo
I would like to see these figures from 2008 to compare.

http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/FL/Broward/42272/111315/en/md_data.html?cid=0103&

Here are more anomalies:

A015 - 1492 Obama, 25 Romney
C006 - 2050 Obama, 86 Romney
C016 - 1523 Obama, 54 Romney
C034 - 1976, 24 Romney

L012 - 1277 Obama, 50 Romney

And on the flip side, check out this precinct where Romney got the edge:

N041 - Obama 0, Romney 2.

Seriously, are we to believe that with such high turnout, there were only two people that showed up to vote in that precinct?

20 posted on 11/09/2012 6:18:52 PM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: sarasmom
Thank you, Sarasmom...It doesn't get more blatant than this but it's the way Obama and his thugs do it, they don't give a whit that everyone knows it.
21 posted on 11/09/2012 6:28:43 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Doogle

Believe me I hear you, surely Holder will get right on this! /sarc


22 posted on 11/09/2012 6:30:25 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
Mr. West has asked a judge to impound the ballots and order a recount to set things straight.

Judge just told him to quit whining, it was all legal.

We are doomed if not one person in the US has standing to challenge an election.

23 posted on 11/09/2012 6:33:16 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: txrefugee
He’ll be cheated out of his seat,

Remember B1 Bomber Bob.

The House refused to fight for him, and they like West even less, the fraud will stand.

Judge refused to impound the votes or the machines, so whatever they did will remain secret.

24 posted on 11/09/2012 6:35:18 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: itsahoot
Yeah...I saw that a little earlier and the first thing that came to mind was that judge needs an attitude adjustment.
25 posted on 11/09/2012 6:36:35 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: bigheadfred

>> I personally think there is no such think as an open, free, honest election in this country anymore. It is GONE.

There may never have been such a time especially when only the Leftwing media dispensed info to the public.


26 posted on 11/09/2012 6:39:14 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: jazusamo

Well what we need to do is
-Eliminate diebold voting machines
-Have ex military be GOP poll watchers
-Have poll watchers wired with cams
-Keep a tally of warm bodies that enter and make sure this lines up with votes cast
-Pass laws that assist in verifying accurate absentee voting (i.e. some of this states with ballot stuffing have Republican majorities in house chambers and/or gov)

What needs to happen
-With any illegal activity, somebody talks or overextends
-Get some solid proof for 2012

I really think the 2010 Reid/Angle was a test run where union thugs adjusted true results. Secrets need to come out.


27 posted on 11/09/2012 6:42:07 PM PST by RushingWater
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To: jazusamo
We are getting what one would expect when voting is absolutely inverifiable and counting is managed by those whose incomes will be affected by the result. After some of the more obvious fraud some election districts are generating paper, though that paper is being scanned by machines which are not auditable and whose counts are could have been entered before or after the polls closed.

Only an election system with humans, looking each other in the eye and with representatives of each party, residents of the districts they monitor, doing the counting. These precinct workers establish the now entirely absent audit trail we used to have. They open the ballot box in each others presence after the polls close, count the ballots in each other’s presence, with the unquestioned freedom to challenge any ballot being counted. After each ballot is counted it is deposited into a secure box which is sent to secure storage, never to be opened unless a court challange requires a recount.

That is how voting in the US used be, when our voting system had the integrity to allow us to trust that elections actually represented the will of the people.
Today there is absolutely no way to claim we know how people voted. Pundits are kept busy explaining the meaning of data which have no provable connection with those people whose opinions it purports to represent.

Is it clear why our system is a fraud? In a room are forty people who are each willing to contribute #10,000 to an education pool for an endowed environmental chair. There are four colleges competing. The donors write their preferred beneficiary on secret ballots which they hand to an official of one of the schools, whose task is to count and report the result. He works alone in his office. The ballots contain no identifying information. For what reason, other than presumed integrity, would his report be trusted?

Assume that instead of an endowed chair, the decision of the counting authority would determine whether he would be employed and his family have guaranteed health care and generous pension, about twice the salary and pension of those workers in the private sector, what might one assume about his/or integrity? If our system was not modified to permit cheating, it may as well have been. The result is the same. There are so many disconnections with the source of the data, a voter's choice, that the data can have no trustworthy meaning. This writer has spent years looking for faults in data path integrity in scientific instruments. Our voting system fails right at the front end, and, depending upon the state and precinct, at network connections, in every unmonitored room, and, of course, even in the pre-vote registration process. We do not live in a representative republic. We still have local police who maintain some respect for our laws, but our federal government has not been duly elected. To pretend that such is the case is becoming a sure path to tyranny, as the left intentionally destroys our economic system.

28 posted on 11/09/2012 6:45:25 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: sarasmom
As Mr. West is facing this level of blatant election fraud ...I wonder if Mr. Romney might want to reconsider his concession speach?"""""........

I was wondering that myself, please make it so.

These people don't even care how it looks anymore, blatant fraud and they laugh? 147% and they get by with this?

Romney PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE. Reconsider you concession, don't be another NIXON and give up.

29 posted on 11/09/2012 6:52:17 PM PST by annieokie
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To: jazusamo

Colorado, Pennsylvania et al

yep, the whole election was a sham

we live in a 3rd world country


30 posted on 11/09/2012 6:55:38 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: itsahoot
Take it to a HIGHER COURT. Remember Bush had to do that over and over up to the SC.

I don't think West will give this up, at least I hope he doesn't. He has faced the enemy in Afghanistan, he certainly has enough grit to take these thugs on.

31 posted on 11/09/2012 6:55:58 PM PST by annieokie
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To: Truth29

10 counties in Colorado had more than 100% turnout I hear


32 posted on 11/09/2012 6:58:24 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Spaulding
Thanks for your thoughtful and accurate assessment.

Since the 2000 election I've believed it was a huge mistake to abandon the punch card voting system. It was simple, inexpensive and provided a permanent record for a recount if necessary. Put a Dem and Repub in a precinct to keep an eye open for what goes on.

The fiasco put forth by the 2000 recount was totally uncalled for, the people who put on that pathetic show should never be allowed anywheres near a voting precinct again except to vote.

We have now reached the point where it's near impossible to assure an honest election.

33 posted on 11/09/2012 7:00:36 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: GeronL

BTTT


34 posted on 11/09/2012 7:02:07 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: sarasmom

wow.

this election was stolen big time.

Is there a FReeper who can deny this now?


35 posted on 11/09/2012 7:04:53 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: RushingWater

And also ...

8) Remove all early voting, countrywide.

9) Use the purple finger voter marking technique.


36 posted on 11/09/2012 7:09:49 PM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: George from New England

I think a lot of the votes were cast by nobody, USB card maybe all in the digital ether.


37 posted on 11/09/2012 7:17:10 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: jazusamo

bttt


38 posted on 11/09/2012 7:50:19 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: txrefugee

Who counts the vote is what matters


39 posted on 11/09/2012 7:51:46 PM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: jazusamo

Simply means..that if We the People are to be disenfranchised .....

“Direct” disenfranchisement refers to actions that explicitly prevent people from voting or having their votes counted, as opposed to “indirect” techniques, which attempt to prevent people’s votes from having an impact on political outcomes (e.g., gerrymandering, ballot box stuffing, stripping elected officials of their powers).

http://www.umich.edu/~lawrace/disenfranchise1.htm

And by not challenging it, fighting it..and getting in their faces about it...we grant permission for it to continue....and even worse...increase the probability of needing to resort to the cartridge box for resolution.

We have no further obligation to pay taxes. And we are the only ones paying them!!


40 posted on 11/09/2012 7:55:04 PM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: jazusamo

Simply means..that if We the People are to be disenfranchised .....

“Direct” disenfranchisement refers to actions that explicitly prevent people from voting or having their votes counted, as opposed to “indirect” techniques, which attempt to prevent people’s votes from having an impact on political outcomes (e.g., gerrymandering, ballot box stuffing, stripping elected officials of their powers).

http://www.umich.edu/~lawrace/disenfranchise1.htm

And by not challenging it, fighting it..and getting in their faces about it...we grant permission for it to continue....and even worse...increase the probability of needing to resort to the cartridge box for resolution.

We have no further obligation to pay taxes. And we are the only ones paying them!!


41 posted on 11/09/2012 7:55:08 PM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: jazusamo
"Since the 2000 election I've believed it was a huge mistake to abandon the punch card voting system."

You are on the right track jazusamo, but where there are people who will steal your money if they can, every bit of unnecessary mechanism provides them an opportunity. I have a video showing the Broward county election board workers, paid by the League of Women Voters, counting punch cards by running the same small packet of cards through a counting machine - again and again. The video was made by two counterculture - left-wing if you please - journalists who decided to run against the old machine politicion Claude Pepper.

The brothers Collier also located the warehouse where the punch card machines were stored and filmed machinces whose rolls had been pre-punched. The paper rolls in those machines were the media upon which votes were recorded, and provided redundancy for the punch cards. Voters never have a chance to look inside of the locked machines.

The brothers sued the FBI, Florida Attorney General, and produced mountains of data. Their conclusion was that voter fraud was sanctioned at very high levels in our government, fifty or so years ago, even protected. here was a special office at the FBI dedicated to squelching claims of voter fraud. Their case was finially thrown out of court on a statute of limitations claim, though there is no statute of limitations law regarding voter fraud. Janet Reno was the Assistant AG who killed their case. A Florida attorney famous for taking on the federal government represented them until he was warned to stop, and skulked away. Their book, probably no longer in print, was called Votescam.

Paper ballots may not be the only way, but any process must involve obtaining a count before choices disappear into a black hole of computer memory, or counts from a machine scanner that scans in a closed box and stores its count in computer memory, while the ballots are sent to marginally secured storage locations under the control of party-specific (whichever party controls the state AG) election operatives, most of whom these days are SEIU employees.

Get the picture? The precincts are the last place the original ballots exist, under the control of and supervision of representatives of each party. That is the only stage where the vote count can be trusted because each individual present has the trust and responsibility to check every ballot counted by whomever. The assumption, one which I subscribe to, is that citizens value their freedom and the respect of their peers. In close quarters, where representives of different parties are there to check the integrity of those reading ballots, they will all do their best. All those present in the counting session sign with their honor that the count is complete and accurate to their knowledge.

One might add video surveillance to the process since the technology is very mature. Most casinos have the ability, and do read every card in every hand played in their facilities. If they don't observe in real time, they save the tapes. But today, no ballots are counted up front, and for that reason, no vote cast in the US can be verified by a citizen who respects the cornerstone of representative government. Every bureaucrat has plausible deniablity because he or she, if he sees anything, sees the output of an anonymous machine. Open an account in a bank and you probably have a bank officer's signature. Boxes of ballots used to have the signature of precinct workers who did the counting. Those WERE the official results. Today, in many if not most states. the results are reported by SEIU employees, and we don't have their signatures.

42 posted on 11/09/2012 8:01:53 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: jazusamo

Florida’s been cheating the vote for more than 30 years. Elected Republicans need to deal with this before they’re all magically voted out of office on the same day.

The way to catch dems cheating is to seed each precinct with some fake names - then after the election see how many of them ‘voted’. Where the hell is our FBI? If they want to be useful saving our country this is more important than spending billions looking for some mentally ill ‘lone wolf’. Really. Everyone needs to grow up and get real.


43 posted on 11/09/2012 8:02:50 PM PST by GOPJ (New York Times Slogan : "We rewrite Democrat Press Releases Better!")
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To: jazusamo
Chicago, NYC and Boston is where many of those people came from. They stole everything they could up there and retired down here with their bad habits.

When LTC West first started running he got a lot of resistance from the S. Florida Republican establishment. They treated him like dirt.

I'll bet that many of them voted for Murphy this time.

44 posted on 11/09/2012 8:06:15 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: jazusamo

You know, I hate to quote Moochelle, but, for the first time in my life, I’m ashamed of my country. Not us, not the 49%, but the government and those in ‘authority’. For years, I told my wife that her country of birth, Mexico, was corrupt to the core, and it would take a long time to correct it. Here in the US, we learned over decades, with Serpico, etc. With this election, as in recent ones, I’m ashamed at how the corrupt do this and the spineless let them get away with it.

I am so sorry to be saying this.


45 posted on 11/09/2012 8:06:32 PM PST by time4good
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To: jazusamo

Does anybody know of a place with a concise listing of all the voter problems.


46 posted on 11/09/2012 8:11:09 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: sarasmom

What is the explanation for those percentages?


47 posted on 11/09/2012 8:11:14 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: jazusamo

Ping for tomorrow.

If I read this before bed I won’t be able to sleep. And...It’s been a bad week for sleep.


48 posted on 11/09/2012 8:21:37 PM PST by wintertime (:-))
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To: GOPJ

Where the hell is our FBI?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Living in Obama’s back pocket.


49 posted on 11/09/2012 8:23:18 PM PST by wintertime (:-))
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To: opentalk

“He is probably on his own in this, ideally the GOP should be in there with him helping fight for the seat.”

Yes, and Romney first and foremost! If they will do this to Allen West, they will do whatever to remain Mitt-less as well. And Mitt is looking like the bigger victim here. The more I see this looks like the outright theft of an election, across multiple states too.

I certainly hope these states are vigorously verifying their election votes and results before sending their electors to Washington. I also hope they are doing everything within their power to include the votes of our military.

That said, if they find verifiable garbage, it needs to be purged and the tally recalculated! Canvass the results and verify the votes cast!

We should not be made to suffer and accept fraud, and it is glaringly apparent that it has occurred on a breathtaking scale!

Before election night Romney was riding high.

— Romney was winning the debates
— Romney was winning the polls
— Romney was winning in enthusiasm
— Romney was winning in Republican registration increases
— Romney was winning with crowds

Then the crowds disappear on election day? I cannot reconcile the reality that existed before the election to the resulting outcome — at all. They are incongruent.

— Obama looked defeated right down to the anguish in his face — he knew he was defeated.

Results in Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Colorado and Florida are all suspect right now.

I’ve been disappointed in election outcomes before and I can let that go, but when my sensibilities tell me we’re being shammed on an epic scale... I can’t get OK with that.


50 posted on 11/09/2012 9:19:01 PM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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