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1 posted on 11/10/2012 3:32:56 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Adapt or die. With this last election we can no longer afford to run on traditional values, if we want the Democrats out of office. McCain got more votes than Romney! That statement should say it all.


2 posted on 11/10/2012 3:37:26 PM PST by johnd201 (johnd201)
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To: neverdem

“Dispense with the social issues!” we’re counseled. “Don’t trouble over abortion or faux marriage and instead just focus on fiscal matters.”

Yeah we should continue to talk about the 47% and when we’re in Ohio we should talk about how bad the auto bailout was. /sarc


4 posted on 11/10/2012 3:41:14 PM PST by ari-freedom (Election Day should be after Thanksgiving, not right after Halloween)
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To: neverdem

I think we’re going to be confused for the next 4 years until someone figures out how to apply conservative principles to the poor areas and actually try to reach out to them. You can’t say “oh they have a safety net. Middle class more important.” when times are bad.


6 posted on 11/10/2012 3:47:47 PM PST by ari-freedom (Election Day should be after Thanksgiving, not right after Halloween)
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To: neverdem

Believe it or not, voters actually like fiscal conservatism. They don’t like the debts, don’t like the spending, and don’t like taxes. At this point, however, they’re not strongly convinced the GOP is serious about cuts and budgetary reforms.

And why should they be? It was fiscal conservatism that lead to the 2010 election sweep, and the GOP failed to deliver on what they were primarily voted in for.

Running on social values is the deluded fantasy. And it’s precisely what’s killing the GOP with younger voters in particular. I’m around people in their 20s and 30s quite a bit, and this is what I consistently hear from them they find alienating about the current GOP platform.


7 posted on 11/10/2012 3:49:53 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: neverdem

My fear is the old adage about the rest of the country following California. It is a thoroughly corrupt, tyrannical, one party state.

Leftists control or dominate the three branches of the federal government, the media, our schools, popular culture, the military . . .

There is very little remaining that is unsoiled by the Left. They will attempt to do as they have in California, exterminate all opposition.


8 posted on 11/10/2012 3:50:16 PM PST by Jacquerie (Once a republic, now a democratic tyranny.)
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To: neverdem

We have passed the tipping point. There are more takers than givers. They will always vote for the most generous Santa. That will go on until, as a practical matter, the government can no longer print or borrow to fund the takers. Some variety of tyranny is next. History shows it is inevitable.


9 posted on 11/10/2012 3:51:00 PM PST by gleneagle
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To: neverdem

Believe it or not, voters actually like fiscal conservatism. They don’t like the debts, don’t like the spending, and don’t like taxes. At this point, however, they’re not strongly convinced the GOP is serious about cuts and budgetary reforms.

And why should they be? It was fiscal conservatism that lead to the 2010 election sweep, and the GOP failed to deliver on what they were primarily voted in for.

Running on social values is the deluded fantasy. And it’s precisely what’s killing the GOP with younger voters in particular. I’m around people in their 20s and 30s quite a bit, and this is what I consistently hear from them regarding what they find alienating about the current GOP platform.


10 posted on 11/10/2012 3:51:10 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: neverdem

Compassionate conservatism is the only answer. Nobody is saying stop fighting social issues. Do it at state level. And, stop saying stupid things about rape and abortion. That is all.


11 posted on 11/10/2012 3:51:48 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: neverdem

COSTELLO: I want to talk about the unemployment rate in America.
ABBOTT: Good Subject. Terrible Times. It’s 7.8%.

COSTELLO: That many people are out of work?
ABBOTT: No, that’s 14.7%.

COSTELLO: You just said 7.8%.
ABBOTT: 7.8% Unemployed.

COSTELLO: Right 7.8% out of work.
ABBOTT: No, that’s 14.7%.

COSTELLO: Okay, so it’s 14.7% unemployed.
ABBOTT: No, that’s 7.8%.

COSTELLO: WAIT A MINUTE. Is it 7.8% or14.7%?
ABBOTT: 7.8% are unemployed. 14.7% are out of work.

COSTELLO: IF you are out of work you are unemployed.
ABBOTT: No, Obama said you can’t count the “Out of Work” as the unemployed.
You have to look for work to be unemployed.

COSTELLO: BUT THEY ARE OUT OF WORK!!!
ABBOTT: No, you miss his point.

COSTELLO: What point?
ABBOTT: Someone who doesn’t look for work can’t be counted with those who
look for work. It wouldn’t be fair.

COSTELLO: To whom?
ABBOTT: The unemployed.
COSTELLO: But they are ALL out of work.
ABBOTT: No, the unemployed are actively looking for work. Those who are out
of work gave up looking and if you give up, you are no longer in the ranks
of the unemployed.

COSTELLO: So if you’re off the unemployment roles that would count as less
unemployment?
ABBOTT: Unemployment would go down. Absolutely!

COSTELLO: The unemployment just goes down because you don’t look for work?
ABBOTT: Absolutely it goes down. That’s how Obama gets it to 7.8%. Otherwise
it would be 14.7%. He doesn’t want you to read about 14.7% unemployment.

COSTELLO: That would be tough on his reelection.
ABBOTT: Absolutely.

COSTELLO: Wait, I got a question for you. That means there are two ways to
bring down the unemployment number?
ABBOTT: Two ways is correct.

COSTELLO: Unemployment can go down if someone gets a job?
ABBOTT: Correct.

COSTELLO: And unemployment can also go down if you stop looking for a job?
ABBOTT: Bingo.

COSTELLO: So there are two ways to bring unemployment down, and the easier
of the two is to have Obama’s supporters stop looking for work.
ABBOTT: Now you’re thinking like the Obama Economy Czar.

COSTELLO: I don’t even know what the hell I just said!
ABBOTT: Now you’re thinking like Obama.


12 posted on 11/10/2012 3:55:16 PM PST by mirkwood
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To: neverdem
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15 posted on 11/10/2012 3:56:57 PM PST by Brandonmark (OWCM is The new American Minority!)
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To: neverdem

In the new Arizona District 9 House race, Vernon Parker lost to Kyrsten Sinema, self-described “Prada socialist” who also is lesbian. Libertarian got about 7% of the vote....well beyond Sinema’s margin of victory in a 46% -45% race. Why? Parker tried to appeal to all sides and appear moderate. He was for MORE Pell grants, more pork barrel spending projects favored by business. but he also fully adopted the Republican platform of tax cuts for all, military buildup, etc. and thereby lost the “smaller government/balanced budget vote.”
The new Republican line of more spending and less taxes is obviously sounding old to voters these days and maybe if Republicans want more spending they must raise taxes to pay for it in the eyes of most voters.
But I think that increased military spending combined with tax cuts and cuts to Medicare and SS is a LOSING platform these days. People obviously don’t want to cut Medicare and SS cuts against more tax cuts and more miltary spending...which sounds to many people as if some people want other people to “sacrifice”, but not us.
Romney ran as a Ryan impersonator and Obama’s lies sounded more credible than “the math doesn’t add up” Republican platform, especially with SNL and Colbert and Maher and John Stewart and MSNBC and CNN and all the networks beating up on us.
Bill Clinton had an excuse to campaign against us this time, despite Obama’s bad record on deficits, because we did not have a believeable deficit reduction plan.


17 posted on 11/10/2012 4:02:02 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: neverdem

The Republicans want everyone to have a chance to succeed .
The Democrats can’t let everyone succeed .
Who would clean their toilets and mop their floors?


18 posted on 11/10/2012 4:02:14 PM PST by lucky american (The Democrats will follow the big "D"even if it means going over a cliff.)
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To: neverdem

This is an interesting article. I agree with the author’s point that life is going to get very interesting for “lifestyle liberals” when their support of radical Islam reaches its sudden but inevitable conclusion.

As Mark Steyn pointed out, a social conservative can quietly live under the radar as Sharia blossoms (unless he’s too publically professing Christianity), but promiscuous women and open homosexuals are going to be uncomfortable.


19 posted on 11/10/2012 4:04:13 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up." ~marron)
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To: neverdem

Why don’t the RINOs just switch over to the Demon-crat party and “adapt”...


20 posted on 11/10/2012 4:05:46 PM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: neverdem

There is no fiscal conservatism without values. The two go hand in hand. Any fiscal conservative who tells you values do not matter is lying. I do not care what your persuasion: Christain, secular, Buddhist or anything in between. If you work hard, pay your bills, educate and love your children then you live by personal values. Those values are pretty much the same for most of. There is not a lot of room for variation.


21 posted on 11/10/2012 4:06:28 PM PST by formosa (consider me galt)
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To: neverdem

It’s over if we allow the Dem’s to rig the election, the lesson we should learn


26 posted on 11/10/2012 4:50:25 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: neverdem

As this excerpt articulates well 2014 the Demorats Pyrrhic 2012 win will consume them.

“...But all the dependency champions who celebrated on Tuesday night cannot stop the coming storm. The greatest advantage Obama had going into the election was not demography but the fact that the full consequences of his statist economic policies and his pro-jihadist foreign policy have not yet been felt.

Nationalized healthcare will only be fully implemented in 2014. Americans will only begin watching old men and women die because the federal government denied them lifesaving, but expensive treatments a year from now. They will only lose their doctors due to dwindling Medicare reimbursements in a year.

College students who got out the vote for Obama will only find themselves doomed to low-paying jobs and a life of indebtedness as they fail year in and year out to pay off their college loans, in a year or two. And by the time they realize what it means to be saddled with a national debt of $16 trillion, they will be locked into a government-controlled economy that requires them to keep their silence or lose their livelihoods...”

Full article: http://www.israpundit.com/archives/50569


40 posted on 11/10/2012 7:04:35 PM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: neverdem
Re: “The minority voters everyone is so desperate to woo are more socially conservative than are whites.”

Sorry, that is a total fantasy.

The author claims 75% of Hispanics oppose abortion.

Completely wrong.

After the 2010 election, Pew Research surveyed Hispanics on 12 key political issues.

Abortion came in at #10.

Nationally, the non-white abortion rate is twice as high as the white rate.

In California, the abortion rate for Hispanics is higher than the rate for Blacks, and both are well above the white rate.

In California, Hispanics opposed same sex marriage because they are openly anti-gay, just like American Blacks.

The political salvation for Conservatives will come by converting white voters and increasing our turnout.

As the Democrat Party begins to look more and more like South Africa, that will get easier and easier.

42 posted on 11/10/2012 7:07:44 PM PST by zeestephen
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