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It Is Time to Throw the Social Conservatives Out of the GOP (Not)
redstate.com ^ | November 9th, 2012 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 11/10/2012 8:05:19 PM PST by neverdem

It is time to throw the social conservatives out of the GOP. Look at what they got us — Barack Obama. It was the social conservatives who did it. They insisted the GOP support real marriage and children. To hell with that.

I’m getting this, in various forms, from lots of tea party activists. The GOP establishment in Washington is whispering it to each other. They look at Todd Aiken and Richard Mourdock and conclude that they, not Tommy Thompson, Heather Wilson, George Allen, Scott Brown, etc. are the problem.

It is time to get rid of the social conservatives.

What’s really going on here is that the people who voted Republican, but who disagree with pro-lifers and defenders of marriage, have decided it must be those issues. They can’t see how what happened actually happened unless it happened because the issues on which they disagree with the base played a role.

This is a psychological avoidance of larger issues and does not stack up to the data.

Mitt Romney won about a quarter of the hispanic vote and a tenth of the black vote.

Those numbers may not sound like much, but in close elections they matter.

A sizable portion of those black and hispanic voters voted GOP despite disagreeing with the GOP on fiscal issues. But they are strongly social conservative and could not vote for the party of killing kids and gay marriage. So they voted GOP.

You throw out the social conservatives and you throw out those hispanic and black voters. Further, you make it harder to attract new hispanic voters who happen to be the most socially conservative voters in the country.

Next, you’ll also see a reduction of probably half the existing GOP base. You won’t make that up with Democrats who suddenly think that because their uterus is safe they can now vote Republican. Most of those people don’t like fiscal conservatism either — often though claiming that they do.

If you really need to think through this, consider MItt Romney. He is perhaps the shiftiest person to ever run for President of the United States. He shifted his position on virtually every position except Romneycare. Of all the politicians to ever run for office, he’d be the one most likely to come out and, after the Republican convention, decide he’d changed his mind. He’d be okay with abortion and okay with gay marriage.

Had he done that, he’d have even less votes.

Several million evangelicals did not vote for George W. Bush in 2000. His campaign had to work to get them back in 2004.

You may mentally decide, to escape having to deal with the other implications of this election, that if only the GOP would abandon its social conservatism it would do better. But if you do, go find yourself a new coalition because you won’t have half the votes the GOP has now. Good luck with that. In fact, if the GOP really wanted to expand with minorities, it’d keep the social conservatism and throw out the fiscal conservatism.

Richard Mourdock was one of two of the poster children for abandoning social conservatives this year. He was beaten by a pro-life Democrat.

The problem is not social conservatism. The problem is social conservatives have gotten so used to thinking of themselves as the majority they’ve forgotten how to speak to those who are not and defend against those who accuse them of being fringe, most particularly the press. Couple that with Mitt Romney’s campaign making a conscious decision to not fight back on the cultural front and you have a bunch of Republicans convinced, despite the facts, that if only the social conservatives would go away all would be fine.

It’s not time to throw out social conservatives. It’s time to accept that without them the GOP would be even a smaller party even less able to reach out to the hispanic demographic all the smart people say they need to embrace. Addition through subtraction never really works well.


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1 posted on 11/10/2012 8:05:26 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

No... no... don’t throw us in that briar patch!

:p


2 posted on 11/10/2012 8:09:33 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: neverdem

Aiken WAS part of the problem because he was stupid and arrogant, and ending up costing us a senate seat.

Mourdock seemed OK until his gaffe, Lugar wasn’t a prize to begin with.

I do think that Social Conservatism has a shrinking base among younger generations, and I don’t know how that is to be reversed.


3 posted on 11/10/2012 8:09:42 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: neverdem

The Republican Party needs to stick to Conservative principles and Conservative candidates.

If we begin to chase power and control at the price of our values, we are lost as a country and the Constitutional Republic has failed.


4 posted on 11/10/2012 8:09:59 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: neverdem

How many won’t read the article?


5 posted on 11/10/2012 8:10:42 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: neverdem

We can leave on our own, thank you very much. Have fun trying to win an election without your base, it’ll be fun to watch I bet.


6 posted on 11/10/2012 8:10:57 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Shadow44

A lot of that “younger generation” will grow up at some point


7 posted on 11/10/2012 8:14:23 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: neverdem

Nobody’s throwing me out, I’m leaving on my own accord... It’ll take ‘em thirty years to realize they can’t win without true conservatives...


8 posted on 11/10/2012 8:15:08 PM PST by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: Shadow44

It does have a shrinking base—at least the hardline positions do.

GOP doesn’t have to get rid of social conservatism entirely… but it’s going to have to moderate stances on abortion, gay marriage, etc.


9 posted on 11/10/2012 8:16:10 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: neverdem

Come 2016,the GOP is looking at having won the popular vote ONCE (with George W Bush in 2004) since Bush SR. was elected in ‘88! And what too many on the GOP (willfully)forgot is that Bush won the popular vote AND the election in ‘04 in BIG part BECAUSE gay “marriage” was being voted down that same year in,I believe, eleven states! But the GOP has now abandoned the social conservatives....telling them the winning strategy is to just concentrate on fiscal issues......
afraid of appearing too extreme to the “moderates” and “undecideds”.(That they alienate a third of their base doing that seems to escape them!) Hasn’t THAT strategy worked out “great” these last two elections?

Painful to accept,I know,but we lost in ‘92 with Bush,lost in ‘96 with Dole,ALMOST lost with George W in ‘00,lost with McCain in ‘08,and now we lost with Romney!

As was proven in Massachusetts in 2010,when the republican candidate for governor Charlie Baker (who called himself to the left of Obama on social issues) lost to Deval Patrick,and again on Tuesday when Scott Brown lost to Lizzie Warren (after he had been bragging about how he voted to repeal DADT),YOU DON’T WIN AN ELECTION BY TURNING YOUR BACK ON A THIRD OF YOUR BASE TO KISS-UP TO PEOPLE THAT WILL NEVER VOTE FOR YOU ANYWAY!


10 posted on 11/10/2012 8:16:16 PM PST by massmike (At least no one is wearing a "Ron Paul - 2016" tee shirt........yet!)
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To: G Larry

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!! and AMEN!!!!!!!


11 posted on 11/10/2012 8:16:47 PM PST by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: neverdem

I think it is going to be a race out of the door. Who leaves first...the Conservatives or the RINOs.

Scott Brown, who couldn’t wait to lick Kerry’s rear, and Heather Wilson? LOL


12 posted on 11/10/2012 8:18:20 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: GeronL

I sure hope so, otherwise I’m going to be rather ostracized 30 years from now!


13 posted on 11/10/2012 8:19:39 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: G Larry
It Is Time to Throw a the Social Conservative into Out of the GOP Presidential race (Not)

yitbos

14 posted on 11/10/2012 8:20:03 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Utmost Certainty

“Moderate.” ? But you MEAN liberal. The Rockefeller Republicans were always in favor of abortion, and gay marriage is no big deal. Until Reagan came along, the party did not go firmly pro-life.


15 posted on 11/10/2012 8:23:55 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Utmost Certainty

No it does not. That will lose them more support than it would ever gain.


16 posted on 11/10/2012 8:24:14 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Shadow44
I do think that Social Conservatism has a shrinking base among younger generations, and I don’t know how that is to be reversed.

Through education. And, realistically, ridicule. That is what it is going to take.

How has the left made social conservatism unpopular? Through ridicule.

How can we make social liberalism unpopular? Through ridicule.

17 posted on 11/10/2012 8:25:02 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Utmost Certainty

As Governor, Romney was very pro-gay and pro-abortion


18 posted on 11/10/2012 8:25:26 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: bruinbirdman

lol. bump


19 posted on 11/10/2012 8:25:58 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Can you convincingly advocate small government conservatism while mandating transvaginally probing American women’s vaginas? Folks that is a real question we have to answer. You are foolish if you believe it didn’t cost votes.


20 posted on 11/10/2012 8:26:16 PM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: GeronL

Obama’s brilliant “Romneysia” term stopped Mitt’s momentum dead in its’ tracks, it’s what many of us here feared would happen if he were the nominee, his past history that he tried to suppress would catch up to him.


21 posted on 11/10/2012 8:26:59 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator; All
How many won’t read the article?

your right; i took the bait...
"It’s not time to throw out social conservatives. It’s time to accept that without them the
GOP would be even a smaller party even less able to reach out to the hispanic demographic
all the smart people say they need to embrace."

...It's the bennies/$$$$ (the bribery); the illegals need/want..
not citizenship...RUSH LIMBAUGH WAS CORRECT.

22 posted on 11/10/2012 8:27:40 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth....RWR 8-)
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To: blaquebyrd

What the H are you talking about?

Protecting LIFE is the prime purpose of government.


23 posted on 11/10/2012 8:28:29 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: dfwgator

A guy who sucked up to Planned Parenthood and the gay lobby when he ran first time. He said as Prez he would throw the social cons out of the party.


24 posted on 11/10/2012 8:30:07 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: neverdem

I doubt Heather Wilson ever explained to the people of NM how radical her opponent is. Of coursed, they probably wouldn’t understand if she had bothered to do so.


25 posted on 11/10/2012 8:30:23 PM PST by Theodore R. (Once again the American people have been found sorely wanting. I think it will continue.)
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To: All

I think it is now widely understood that we just can’t win elections on a socially conservative platform. That doesn’t make it wrong, just a sign of the approaching end of days. Maybe this will be the last election — maybe politics will soon give way to more dramatic confrontations. I am hearing a lot of rather sinister reverse-racist rhetoric coming from the triumphal left, and this is bound to be met with a reaction. We shall see soon enough where the “revenge election” actually leads.


26 posted on 11/10/2012 8:31:12 PM PST by Peter ODonnell (Obama: Just as I stilled the waters, I will bring peace and prosperity ... ruh-roh.)
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To: neverdem
Conservatives have 35% of the voting block. We cannot allow the MSM and GOP-e run our primaries. Romney ran around with his dirty ads destroying everyone he could. He was a northeast liberal and he got a free pass from the MSM through the primaries. McCain and Romney are RINOs and I didn't vote for either.

Kansas GOP now has 32 of the 40 state senate seats and 97 of 120 house seats. GOP Governor and US congressional delegation. WE don't have a GOP problem here!

29 GOP Governors, nationwide. POTUS is overrated. Think of the size the fed should be and what really belongs to the states and that's what the real power of the POTUS - the rest is a paper tiger.

27 posted on 11/10/2012 8:33:21 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: RobbyS

Despite his favor of gaydom though, Obama has never ordered the IRS to recognize these arrangements for taxable purposes. He could have done that on taking office, and the American people for the most part would have been strongly in favor of such “fairness.”


28 posted on 11/10/2012 8:33:53 PM PST by Theodore R. (Once again the American people have been found sorely wanting. I think it will continue.)
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To: Peter ODonnell
I think it is now widely understood that we just can’t win elections on a socially conservative platform

???

Romney was a moderate! He was no in any way "socially conservative" as Governor, he only recently flip flopped.

Running these moderates is the wrong strategy. We need to run real conservatives.

I will not vote for anything less than someone who is conservative socially and fiscally. I think a lot of FReepers are the same way.

29 posted on 11/10/2012 8:33:56 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: blaquebyrd

It looks like someone from Dummie Underground hacked your account. Conservatives support the constitution, and the constitution guarantees LIFE. Women don’t have some sort of special right to murder their own children. If this is the case, then maybe we should make it legal for husbands to “abort” their future children by beating their wives black and blue during pregnancy?

We may not be able to outright ban abortion, but we can sure as hell make it a much more uncomfortable and unattractive practice for those considering this barbaric practice. It is WRONG. We are the only ones speaking out for those who cannot speak for themselves.


30 posted on 11/10/2012 8:34:14 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Shadow44

Since only NE went Republican for Senate in those “battleground states”, it is likely that MO and IN would have gone Democrat anyway. There was an anti-GOP trend for the Senate, but not for the House, where both liberals and conservatives stick with their own incumbents though they loathe the House as a whole.


31 posted on 11/10/2012 8:35:55 PM PST by Theodore R. (Once again the American people have been found sorely wanting. I think it will continue.)
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To: neverdem

The problem is not the ideas, its the candidates themselves. Today’s politics left and right is populated by ignorant and incoherent practitioners. Compare what you hear in today’s discourse with the rhetoric of the 19th Century. It is shameful. Because some ignorant moron makes a fool of himself we have other morons blaming the ideas. I’m sorry, I can’t escape the truth, I cringe sometimes when some of our own champions speak. The other side, forget about it. Maybe a school of rhetoric should be created to teach our candidates to be able to communicate clearly. It was an essential part of a good education for centuries. If our Founding Fathers watched any debate during the last election cycle, they would cry.


32 posted on 11/10/2012 8:36:39 PM PST by gusty
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To: DaveMSmith

As long as your state House doesn’t elect a RINO tool as Speaker like Texas did


33 posted on 11/10/2012 8:40:03 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: gusty

I nominate Mark Levin to be dean of this school.


34 posted on 11/10/2012 8:40:30 PM PST by gusty
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To: Viennacon

If it is the women’s CHOICE then why do men pay child support? That doesn’t make any sense. If the woman chose to have them, then the women should be responsible for them.


35 posted on 11/10/2012 8:41:18 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Shadow44

It’s one thing to be pro-life, but they ventured where most pro-life politicians don’t even dare to venture ...RAPE

The media set an obvious trap and these lemmings walked right into it . Aiken was bad , but Mourdock is beyond daft for seeing what happened to Aiken and then one-upping him ...

Couple these morons with RINO (baby huey) Christie and we took it from both ends and lost . Thank these three amigos for four more years of hell!


36 posted on 11/10/2012 8:41:30 PM PST by Neu Pragmatist ( Focus 2014 - Hold the House - Retake the Senate !)
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To: neverdem
Todd Akin wasn't tea party. He was establishment and a Mike Huckabee protege. Steelman was the tea party candidate.

The problem is people who are stupid with their mouths. Their mouths are the problem, not their views. People in even liberal districts will vote for strong conservatives who are competent legislators and won't embarrass us. Pro-life candidates have won in the social liberal Philly suburbs of all places.

37 posted on 11/10/2012 8:47:59 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: Utmost Certainty
GOP doesn’t have to get rid of social conservatism entirely… but it’s going to have to moderate stances on abortion, gay marriage, etc.

Which major social conservative issues do we get to protect, entirely?

38 posted on 11/10/2012 8:49:24 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: Utmost Certainty
GOP doesn’t have to get rid of social conservatism entirely… but it’s going to have to moderate stances on abortion, gay marriage, etc.

BS on abortion. BS. If there's one issue that the younger generation IS conservative on, it is life. I stomached Romney only because of Obama, but I will not vote for a pro-abortion candidate.

39 posted on 11/10/2012 8:50:47 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: Darren McCarty

Candidates are stupid with their mouths because they have no core beliefs, they are actors playing the role of a conservative because they think that’s the best way to get elected, so they have to think, “Ok what can I say that will get conservatives to like me?”.....and so you get statements like Akin and Mourdock’s, and Romney’s incredibly politically tone-deaf “47%” comment.


40 posted on 11/10/2012 8:51:13 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: neverdem
I've said it before and I'll say it again Conservatives will only win if they adopt Reagan's three legged stool strategy they need social, fiscal/small government and military conservatives to win.

IMHO and as graphically illustrated in the election most conservatives only talk and associate with folks in the echo chamber of their own views insisting only one or two legs are needed..they are wrong all three must be present for conservatives to have a chance of winning

41 posted on 11/10/2012 8:52:28 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: blaquebyrd
Can you convincingly advocate small government conservatism while mandating transvaginally probing American women’s vaginas? Folks that is a real question we have to answer. You are foolish if you believe it didn’t cost votes.

We don't need to mandate probes to protect babies. We need to protect babies from being killed. Period.

42 posted on 11/10/2012 8:53:40 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: GeronL
We had a big Tea Party in 2010 and are still mopping up after Sebelius both as Governor here and the Obamacare nonsense. They are really doing a good job in protecting us from the feds.

Still waiting the fate of my own state rep - a former teacher and democrat who has held office forever... he has a 18 vote difference with the GOP challenger... counting provisional ballots on Monday and he's squealing like a pig in the local liberal paper - it's a hoot.

43 posted on 11/10/2012 8:54:36 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: Peter ODonnell
I think it is now widely understood that we just can’t win elections on a socially conservative platform

Understood by whom?

The only social conservative who ran recently won. Bush. Bush wasn't a fiscal conservative, but he generally was socially, at least on life issues. His reputation was as a social conservative, although not an a-hole about it. That's what works on social issues. Don't be judgmental, but do what's right because it is right.

Bush's dad, McCain, and Romney were moderates with moderate reputations.

44 posted on 11/10/2012 8:57:59 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: neverdem

Romney was part of the Hegelian Dialectic-—the GOP has been for the longest time——so that we move Left with each synthesis.

The Republican Party has moved so far left that it is barely Christian—and now the Democrats are outright Marxists and proud of it.

We need to get Christian Ethics back and the Natural Family unit where it is not being attacked 24/7. You need control of your children’s education!!!!!!!

Leftist knew in 1930, the way to destroy America and turn it into a socialist state would be to destroy marriage—to get millions of welfare dupes and destroy the Christian religion—which also destroys the natural family since immoral people treat others horribly. (They mocked God in the schools with Darwinism, mocked God in Art, and on TV since Archie Bunker.)

The agenda is to CHANGE the WORLDVIEW (Marxist/sodomite/pagan) and is orchestrated by the MSM and schools and the elites who pick both candidates who are allowed to run.

Conservatives who would win are never allowed into the game-—until the masses are so immoral or the Chicago machine fully controls the voting machines—like they have in Chicago for over a hundred years......then, we will be toast. (Maybe it is too late because they own the judges too now). We have no avenue to get control of anything unless we change the “thinking” of the masses. We have to get our kids out of the schools—burn the curricula—it was designed by Marxists—Dr. Ruggs-—Billy Ayers—sick twisted people affecting the way our children are “allowed” to think.

All conservatives/Christians need there children OUT of public schools and unpluged from TV which is shaping their immoral/Marxist worldview.

YOU shape it—it is worth ALL your time and money. Don’t allow the Leftists to ply their minds with garbage and disinformation since the socialist Dewey destroyed curricula—embedded it with socialist garbage and psychology to make kids into “group thinkers”——part of an emotional herd—to be herded like they did with the OWS. Instill Classical knowledge and explicit phonics and the Bible (again). It is the only way to freedom again—minds like our Founders. Minds that want freedom and responsibility.


45 posted on 11/10/2012 8:58:22 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: DaveMSmith

um

aren’t “provisional” ballots usually from stupid people who don’t know if they registered or not?


46 posted on 11/10/2012 9:01:03 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: dfwgator
Imagine today's politician, any side of the aisle, appearing on Firing Line with Bill Buckley, it would be an embarrassment. I think the problem is deeper. Even those with conviction are incoherent with their arguments. The Vice Presidential debate is case in point. While Joe Biden babbled on like he escaped from the nuthouse, Paul Ryan couldn't articulate an argument if his life depended on it. He talked in talking points and non-sequators(sic). I couldn't believe I was watching a debate for the second highest office in the land. We have come to a point where a large percentage, I will not say majority, realize they are smarter than our leaders. I do not believe this would have been true 200 years ago.
47 posted on 11/10/2012 9:03:26 PM PST by gusty
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To: GeronL

Well, we implemented voter id this year and all new registration for everyone so I’m not sure who would be in that pile.


48 posted on 11/10/2012 9:04:09 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: neverdem

Another straw man concocted that if we go neutral on the social issues we are for the other extremes. It is such an issue loaded with land mines that we need to leave these issues to the pro life organizations and the churches.


49 posted on 11/10/2012 9:04:51 PM PST by lone star annie
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To: gusty

It’s becoming a Catch-22 situation, just that fact that a person would be insane enough to want the job, makes them suspect to begin with.


50 posted on 11/10/2012 9:04:51 PM PST by dfwgator
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