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Peacefully grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States...
White House Petitions ^ | 11-07-12 | Michael E, Slidell LA

Posted on 11/10/2012 8:56:44 PM PST by AlmaKing

Peacefully grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government. As the founding fathers of the United States of America made clear in the Declaration of Independence in 1776:

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

"...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government..."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: louisiana; statesrights
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So, a Louisiana resident (maybe) created this petition on the whitehouse.gov site to request that LA separate peacefully from the US.

Warning: you have to create an account to sign this petition.

6941 signatures so far.

Only 18,000 more needed before Obama blows it off.

Do we have anything else to do these days?

1 posted on 11/10/2012 8:56:51 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing

This petition got 50 signatures in the time I needed to post this.


2 posted on 11/10/2012 8:58:10 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing

Up 4,000 in the last 24 hours or so.


3 posted on 11/10/2012 9:12:28 PM PST by expat1000
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To: AlmaKing

Can Louisiana blow off its share of the 16,000,000,000,000 debt this way? If so, this makes a lot of economic sense.


4 posted on 11/10/2012 9:13:15 PM PST by Tymesup
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To: AlmaKing

As much as I hate that place I’d move there if it left the union. Of course we know that won’t happen. It won’t even happen in Texas.


5 posted on 11/10/2012 9:18:50 PM PST by Terry Mross (Once again I wasted my vote. But I have learned my lesson.)
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To: AlmaKing

Hate to tell you Louisiana, but you are stuck in this Hell with the rest of us.


6 posted on 11/10/2012 9:26:58 PM PST by Patrick1 (“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”)
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To: Terry Mross

I was born there. When I left, I said ‘I’m never going back. It’s too damn hot.’

12 states and a few decades later, I’m in New Hampshire, and well, LA is looking pretty good. Not New Orleans, but rural LA.


7 posted on 11/10/2012 9:27:09 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing

IIRC there is only one state that can leave the union. Montana, Nebraska, or possibly Wyoming. They joined with the agreement that they could leave without penalty if their legislature so voted.

Being landlocked would cause serious problems as would being able to defend their borders or conduct business with the remaining states.

Leaving the union sounds attractive but it doesn’t make sense with the exception of large states with ports.


8 posted on 11/10/2012 9:30:18 PM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: AlmaKing

Instead of seceding the state to end their U.S. citizenship, perhaps the people signing the petition should have their U.S. citizenship revoked for assisting the Communists to divide and conquer the United States with treasonous advocation of secession.


9 posted on 11/10/2012 9:32:03 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Do you not agree with the Declaration of Independence then? Were the Founding Fathers traitors? Do you have a brain? Questions cannot be answered with an uncritical mind. Your’s qualifies.


10 posted on 11/10/2012 9:34:59 PM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: AlmaKing

LOL,like San Francisco NOLA is nice, it’s the people who have those cities so messed up. True the weather is probably better in SF but then there are the earthquakes.

Both are better than the dang winter cold above the Mason-Dixon.


11 posted on 11/10/2012 9:35:29 PM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: prisoner6

So... Congress ignores the Constitution for years, yet you think that the States should obey the Constitution. Interesting thought process you have going on there.


12 posted on 11/10/2012 9:37:03 PM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: prisoner6

Montana has a more than 500 mile border with Canada. Although a port would be great, it is not necessary. Hell, palm trees would be great too...


13 posted on 11/10/2012 9:40:07 PM PST by babygene
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To: HMS Surprise

No I didn’t say that. Walter Williams has often said the states should ling ago have surrounded federal buildings with National Guard troops. I agree with that.

I was just stating that one state did have enough foresight to leave an out.


14 posted on 11/10/2012 9:43:29 PM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: AlmaKing

Not to rain on Louisiana’s parade,BUT . . . their own history disproves the ability of any state to secede from the Union.

To quote that great Eagles song:

You can check out any time you like, but you can NEVER leave . . .


15 posted on 11/10/2012 9:45:24 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: babygene; prisoner6
Palm trees? Cold north of the M-D line?!?

Thin blood FRiends! Thin, thin blood! I like nothing better than heading out for a 6AM jog in the woods in the New England January.

Seasons--the one thing I'll miss if I ever manage to escape this crazy state.

16 posted on 11/10/2012 9:48:37 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: babygene

An older fellow I work with grew up in Montana in the 30’s and 40’s, and has written many stories about it.

One good one is how in the winter every farm house had ropes strung from the back door to the out buildings. That was because the snow was so deep or falling so intensely people could become disoriented.

He says he would never go back to live there.


17 posted on 11/10/2012 9:50:35 PM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: AlmaKing

I would put up with the heat to live in a free country again. Can this be done?


18 posted on 11/10/2012 9:55:16 PM PST by Jacknudy
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To: prisoner6

I was born is Saskatchewan Kanada. Atlantic winters there make the New England winters look like Florida. If La. secedes or even Texas, I would move there. I don’t even know why we have to ask p-resident Jarjar for permission when half the voting population did not even vote for him.


19 posted on 11/10/2012 9:57:22 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Oh the seasons are nice and an occasional outing in the cold isn’t bad. I’ve been known to shovel knee deep snow in a kilt.

But after decades of HAVING to walk a couple of miles back and forth to work in the dead of winter and doing the nightshift, I prefer a warmer clim.

KY, TN and the inland Carolinas would be just fine!


20 posted on 11/10/2012 9:57:49 PM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: AlmaKing

As much as I admire the this effort... it is premature.
Obamacare has yet to be fully enacted so nobody has yet to be actually harmed. Nobody’s social security checks have
gone dry. The Government has not YET gone broke.

However, if we go over the cliff and taxes go up, and the
economy slides back into a deeper recession, we could start
to see a slow motion unraveling of societal order or some
outright SHTF riots. IF the Government had a real crisis of
liquidity and had to start picking who to pay and not pay..
ALL bets are off. As Travis McGee has said, this will all
start when the EBT cards don’t worky worky any more.

If that occurs. This petition might be replaced by a million
man march on Washington. And the marchers will be carrying
items much more useful than little signs and sack lunches.


21 posted on 11/10/2012 10:01:24 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (I am become Barry... destroyer of wealth)
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To: prisoner6

“Leaving the union sounds attractive but it doesn’t make sense with the exception of large states with ports.”

Ever hear of New Orleans?


22 posted on 11/10/2012 10:06:14 PM PST by Dogbert41 ("...The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God" Zech. 12:5)
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To: AlmaKing

I like the secession idea. If they peacefully choose to secede, refuse to let IRS and FBI into their territory without permission what is the Federal government going to do? This is not 1860, and even there it was hellish fighting which today’ society would not stomach. Plus much of the Army is made up of White southerners who might refuse to take up arms against their hometowns.


23 posted on 11/10/2012 10:08:45 PM PST by freedomrings69
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To: prisoner6

“An older fellow I work with grew up in Montana in the 30’s and 40’s, and has written many stories about it.”

My father lived in Missoula in the thirties and when he was 16, with the help of his family and a family friend, lied about his age and joined the Navy. The family couldn’t afford all the kids, but they did the best they could. Of course, the rest of the boys were in the service soon...but he grew up hunting and fishing for food and poor as hell in Missoula. Stayed in the Navy for 27 years, retired a Master Chief when JFK sent the “advisers” to Viet Nam. Never went back to Montana. Used to laugh that he never saw the ocean until he arrived in Port in San Diego and then was never more than a mile or so from it the rest of his life.


24 posted on 11/10/2012 10:09:00 PM PST by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: NeverForgetBataan

we are moving toward one party socialism and poverty. We don’t need to wait until it is too late.


25 posted on 11/10/2012 10:11:16 PM PST by freedomrings69
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To: AlmaKing

“So, a Louisiana resident (maybe) created this petition on the whitehouse.gov site to request that LA separate peacefully from the US.”

It sure would be easy if Texas went with them...before it’s too late for them. I’d go. But the secession would have to be complete..scare the ‘rats out.


26 posted on 11/10/2012 10:11:51 PM PST by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: NeverForgetBataan
The Government has not YET gone broke.

Not Broke!? With a $16 Trillion debt?
Hell, according to this it already is at a net worth of -$68 trillion.
And this doesn't paint a good picture either.

27 posted on 11/10/2012 10:16:10 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: AlmaKing

Whats wrong with allowing “clusters” of states to determine
their own participation in Obamacare?

The CA,OR,WA,NV cluster would have it. The northeast cluster of blue states would have it. The Midwest WI,MN,IA,IL,OH,MI
blue state cluster would have it.

But, all the rest would not. If you don’t like whats offered
in your cluster, then you have to go to another.

Let those lib utopias pay for it if they want it.


28 posted on 11/10/2012 10:19:12 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (I am become Barry... destroyer of wealth)
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To: WhiskeyX

You’ve got it backwards.


29 posted on 11/10/2012 10:22:21 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: OneWingedShark

“Not Broke!? With a $16 Trillion debt?
Hell, according to this it already is at a net worth of -$68 trillion.
And this doesn’t paint a good picture either”
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Exactly... It always amazes me when people disregard the
idea that the Federal Government could go broke. I can
GUARANTEE you that the Government doesn’t consider it not
possible. They are war gaming it right now!

But I’m just a “sky is falling” alarmist..... you know.


30 posted on 11/10/2012 10:24:31 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (I am become Barry... destroyer of wealth)
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To: AlmaKing

From the source:”we petition the obama administration to:Peacefully grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.”

1. As far as I know, the Obama administration has no authority to “grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America government”, peacefully or otherwise.

2. I don’t see why Louisiana would need to create its own NEW government, unless they want to establish a monarchy or go communist or something.


31 posted on 11/10/2012 10:25:18 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: HMS Surprise; WhiskeyX

Tell it to Judge Napolitano

Judge Andrew Napolitano: Revolution is Duty of the People

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af5KJ2aD8F0


32 posted on 11/10/2012 10:26:19 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: freedomrings69

“I like the secession idea. If they peacefully choose to secede, refuse to let IRS and FBI into their territory without permission what is the Federal government going to do? This is not 1860, and even there it was hellish fighting which today’ society would not stomach. Plus much of the Army is made up of White southerners who might refuse to take up arms against their hometowns”
_______________________________________________________________________________________

What if the 100 million (or whatever) Romney voters all quit
their jobs on the same day, go home and sit. All that
payroll deduction would stop. I think it would bring down
the Government. It’s like a massive go Galt, all at once.
You can’t foreclose and evict that many houses with people
resisting. It would be logistically impossible.

Another tactic would be for all Romney voters to go to the bank and withdraw all funds immediately. THAT would be some nice chaos and completely non-violent.


33 posted on 11/10/2012 10:37:57 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (I am become Barry... destroyer of wealth)
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To: Kartographer

bookmark


34 posted on 11/10/2012 11:32:52 PM PST by Brads Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: KrisKrinkle

how can it be part of no government? It needs some kind of government. Or maybe i don’t understand your point?


35 posted on 11/10/2012 11:46:07 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: HMS Surprise

United States of America. Articles of Confederation...ARTICLE XIII.
Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.

If you want to abandon your U.S.citizenship, you are perfectly free to do so. You simply do not have the right to engage in treason and help the enemies of the United States divide and conquer the United States for the purpose of destroying the extinguishing the republican form of government the U.S. Constitution mandated to confer the blessings of liberty and freedom espoused in the Declaration of Independence.You cannot and do not honor the Declaration of Independence by inciting the abandonment and destruction of the Republic and Consitution it created to defend those values. You honor the Declaration of Independence y lawfully defending the Constitution and its rule of law under the Republican form of government as the Constitution, Articles of Confederation, and Constitution collectively defined for the Republic.


36 posted on 11/11/2012 3:22:30 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: Kirkwood

Not a chance. You have no legal or moral right to advocate the alienation of U.S. Citizens, their territories, their properties, their Constitution, their families, or their Republic without their mutual consent. Advocating as much is treason against your fellow Citizens and an encroachment upon their measure of sovereignty in the Republic. Given the boasts of many prominent Communists in Russia and elsewhare during the past decades that they would succeed in bringing about civil war and the disunion of the United States, your talk of secession also amounts to aiding and abetting a foreign enemy to overthrow the Constitutional government of the United States.


37 posted on 11/11/2012 3:31:33 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: AlmaKing

If LA, TX, or any other conservative state secedes, I will move there and create jobs there. Otherwise, I will sit at home, retired, as my only economic activity.


38 posted on 11/11/2012 3:39:19 AM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: max americana
"I was born is Saskatchewan Kanada. Atlantic winters there make the New England winters look like Florida." Atlantic winters in Saskatchewan??!!
39 posted on 11/11/2012 5:10:16 AM PST by Dartman
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To: Kartographer

Then do your duty, persuade fellow citizens, remove corrupt judges, prosecute, impeach, and restore the Republic.


40 posted on 11/11/2012 5:12:15 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.

What is the Constitution?

41 posted on 11/11/2012 7:01:37 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: WhiskeyX

You miss the history and the point that the Judge is talking about.


42 posted on 11/11/2012 7:06:59 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Terry Mross

I commented on other posts that succession would be squashed by force and wouldn’t be possible.
I’d like to recant those comments.

I now believe it would be very possible with the inclusion of several states to remove itself from the union and form a new nation.

The new nation would have to set up diplomatic relations with the united states. New trade commerce. Tariffs . And ways to travel for instance if Ohio and Texas succeeded how would you travel within the new nation.
The declaration of independence gives the states the right to succeed.

Long term plans would be for a peaceful existence with the united states. Of course the succession would not be peaceful . Done through laws and simultaneously with participating states would help prevention of violent actions.

Read a good article online. Written by a Yankee , like myself.

Http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/secession-does-a-state-have-the-right-to-secede-from-the-union/


43 posted on 11/11/2012 7:19:47 AM PST by Morris70
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To: Steve Van Doorn

“how can it be part of no government? It needs some kind of government.”

Louisiana already has a state government with a governor, legislature, judiciary and all that goes with it. Withdrawing would necessitate some changes to that government, but I don’t see why withdrawal in and of itself would require a new government.


44 posted on 11/11/2012 7:29:46 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: NeverForgetBataan

This was the UN plan years ago, divide and conquer, it is still their plan despite the socialist control of our country. I do re-call forty or so years ago a controversey about a cereal box, I believe one of General Mills, with a map of The United States broken down into six or seven new countries and a UN logo with it. I never personally saw the box but did see what was purported to be photos of it. Does anyone else remember or know anything about this?


45 posted on 11/11/2012 7:36:03 AM PST by duffee (Romney 2012, NEWT 2016)
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To: AlmaKing

If Texas and Louisiana want to secede, maybe more of the southern states will, as well. I don’t think the government will want to let Texas go because of the oil industry. If the southern states want to secede, the media will paint them as racists.


46 posted on 11/11/2012 8:53:53 AM PST by colorqueen
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To: max americana

I agree 100%!! The media is saying that Obama won by a significant margin—he only got 50.5% of the popular vote. They are so full of it!! But, they keep repeating stuff like this, and soon, all the sheep believe it.


47 posted on 11/11/2012 9:09:59 AM PST by colorqueen
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To: NeverForgetBataan

I love your idea!!! Let’s all take our money out of the bank and go home and relax. Let the deadbeats go to work for a change. Don’t forget about your 401K—remember when Obama said he wanted the government to take over the 401K’s?


48 posted on 11/11/2012 9:10:19 AM PST by colorqueen
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To: NeverForgetBataan

What do we live on without paychecks? A run on banks would cause a great deal of suffering to the people more than the government.


49 posted on 11/11/2012 5:50:50 PM PST by freedomrings69
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To: WhiskeyX

You are a moron. Leave me alone.


50 posted on 11/11/2012 10:05:43 PM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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