Skip to comments.We are not outnumbered
Posted on 11/11/2012 1:57:17 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
There are at least three options in how conservatives respond to the election results:............
Third, conservatives can focus on turning out voters more likely to vote for conservatives. The pre-election polls were correct. Therefore, shouldn't conservatives also trust numerous polls showing that a slight majority of Americans are pro-life (CNN, Gallup), that a large majority of Americans oppose ObamaCare (NYT/CBS, WaPo), that a large majority of Americans (including many Hispanics) oppose amnesty (CNN), and a plurality of Americans consider themselves conservative? These polls suggest that conservatives are not outnumbered.
Newt Gingrich was successful in nationalizing house races in 1994 because he took a list of conservative issues that polled well and emphasized them in the Contract with America. That was simple and worked well. Assuming that conservatives are not willing to give up or surrender their beliefs, which seems more likely to yield success: converting liberal "drones," or convincing non-voting conservatives to vote?
Perhaps the question is debatable, but why don't they vote?
The following are only anecdotal evidence, but there is every reason to believe that these examples apply more broadly.
As a contractor working in Afghanistan, everybody in my office has a vested personal interest in avoiding defense cuts. Yet of the five people in my office, I am the only person who voted. Why?............................
If citizens either fail to grasp the seriousness of the situation or don't believe that voting has an impact, obviously those citizens won't make the effort to vote. Still, surely, reaching these potential votes is far easier than reaching liberal drones.
Conservatives are not outnumbered, although America might be close to the tipping point. The liberal societal sponge vision did not win on the philosophical battlefield, even while the liberals won the election.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
We aren't the only ones who are afraid of where things are headed:
And then finish up with a full read of the article of this thread We are not outnumbered
They give a look at the "cake" that's been baked.
The poll on the LA Times one has a highly ambiguous question in it, with Boolean choices: “Does the Republican Party need to alter course?” which is like answering in a Boolean fashion to the question “Do you want coffee or tea?” The direction in which the GOP should “alter course” is not suggested.
The article "suggests" it. The writer sees CA circling the drain much faster now. Of course his suggestion is "slanted" and "spun" but the point I found most compelling is that it reeks of fear for what lies ahead for the "golden" state without fiscal sanity.
Right now the “golden” state is about as golden as iron pyrite. And if they keep diverting the water away from the irrigation channels for the farms, not even the famed fruits and nuts will grow. They’re like Pandoras with little gift boxes with nice bows on top, even with the note that says “Do not open till judgment day” . . .
Too many voters just don't know who to vote for and stay home thinking those who go to the polls know the issues and will correctly choose who is best to govern.
The Left doesn't allow their conveniently bunched up, dumbed down inner city populations to sit out elections -- they are driven [by any and all means - be it fear, envy, hate, greed, racism..] to the voting booth.
Doubtfull. 0m0slem couldn't even fill a concert venue in Oiho with Sprigsteen. Mitt was full blown overflow stadium crowds.
We voted enmasse!
They cheated beyond overlookable levels!
The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force. JQA
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My question is who WHO will step up to the plate and grab the flag of VOTER FRAUD and run with it. 4 states decided this election, SOROS nad his money and army did what they said they would do. We need to burn up the lines in DC and demand an investigation
Here in Michigan we still have a huge majority from top to bottom in state government. We didn’t lose a single US house seat and even flipped McCotter’s former district to a tea party backed candidate.
We also crushed two union constitutional amendments and a constitutional amendment that would have required us to use 25% green energy by 2025.
After reading the articles you linked to, it reinforces my belief that the Tea Party should unlink itself from the Republican party and become it’s on political party.
We have no hope in relying on the GOP to represent those who put them into office any longer. They have proven total incompetency to mirror conservatism or the middle class.
Every time I see the video of the “crazed bitch” (Nancy Pelosi) telling the Republicans that they have to vote and approve a bill before they will know what’s in it was bad. However when the Republicans actually approved one of the most disastrous bills ever conceived, it was apparent that the Republican party was over. How incompetent can anything be?
Once again, my favorite mantra applies...”Republicans, the go along to get along party.”
In this day and age of instant communication via internet, I encourage all who read this (along with all who they know) to start the process of forming a new national party (such as the Tea Party) that will run it’s own candidates from the local, state and national levels.
We only have four more years before the United States, as founded, will simply rot to the point of absolute communism.
even all the voter fraud would have been overrun.”””
The voter fraud needs to be caught-prosecuted & stopped.
It has grown over the last 6 presidential elections and it will only get worse in future elections.
There are too many complaints this time around to ignore them.
I would think the Republicans would like to see this fraud stopped, but every night, the media tells us “there was no voter fraud”.
We know better, but we don’t put a stop to it.
Until voter fraud is stopped, we won’t win a thing.
The short answer: no one. Because the vote totals represented almost exactly what the polls predicted. Give it up.
I think we need to face the fact that the ELECTION polls are right and these attitude polls, while they may be accurate, are extremely limited in their relationship to voting.
It was unfortunate that Romney conceded (the vote) when he did. Almost as though he didn’t want it bad enough.
L.S. We have a employee, he works part time for us and part time for U.P.S..
If you polled him or just listened to everyday gripes and concerns, he appears to be a conservative.
Wednesday, discussing the election, he said, "When I got in the booth I realized I don't like any of the politicians, so I voted for my family, I voted straight dem because the union guys convinced me they would give me more then the republicans"
I not only left the room, hell I left the building before I exploded.
This is what we face.
Mitt Romney and his team operate in the universe of reality that WAS, not in the universe of reality that might have included major voter fraud sufficient to deny him all of the important states even if he won them. That is why they conceded. When state after state that you MUST have shows vote counting totals that deny you those states, in the former universe of reality, YOU CONCEDE.
I don’t think they conceive of an evil so great that would have fraudulently and with malice aforethought denied them several states they had actually won.
I totally disagree with the conclusion that Mitt Romney did not want to win. The man was over the top with desire to win. And his turnout at rally supporters were equally over the top with it. I also read that his wife broke down weeping over the results, as she also wanted him to win so very badly.
CA is gone to the GOP and conservatives. I would leave if I lived there and had the ability to leave.
As to the Tea Party, I as one of their huge supporters will say without equivocation that when a tea party candidate crashes and burns due to stupid, pointless words out of his own mouth, we need to admit to it. It does no good to pretend that Mourdock and Akin were fine but the E didn’t like them. I realize Mourdock was shafted by Lugar and Lugar people, but Mourdock said something even more stupid than what Akin said. And that is ON HIM. Our people must take responsibility instead of deflecting it, even as we demand it of the Left and the GO E.
When I heard that Mourdock said if a pregnancy results from a rape, then God must have willed the pregnancy, I was dumbfounded and angry that he had just thrown away any chance we ever had to hold that seat.
And I don’t care who attacks ME, for saying this, and tries to pretend that the only reason Mourdock lost is because of the GOP E. I also said Akin’s remarks were incredibly stupid. I realize the TP side wants to believe that the E should support all TP candidates no matter what. That isn’t in the cards and is really ridiculous when you objectively look at it. It DOES matter what you say. If you cannot talk about the pro life position without making stupid, inflammatory, false comments, then do not run.
And that is true if you are a TP candidate or just a regular GOP candidate.
The election came down to two messages: I can put you back to work and you don't have to work. The second message won.
Now, we have no choice but to rebuild. As for me and my house...we will begin in the local church. I will let Revival start with me and burn outward to my church, my city, my county and my state.
I will no longer look toward Washington or Republicans or Democrats for anything. They only know how to steal what God has given.
For all those who want to stay in the system and fight, I wish you all best. But I would suggest that you leave this soon to be wasteland and look for a city whose builder and maker is God. A land of liberty in Christ Jesus. A land that flows with milk and honey.
I agree that election fraud should not be dismissed. There are too many things that do not add up, to me. Those who say that polls were exactly right, therefore there was no fraud, cannot make that case. It’s just a buzzword phrase that sounds good. A “good” election fraud plan could easily steal enough states to win an overwhelming electoral vote win while the popular vote remained almost equally divided, and could well do so within the margin of most polls in a close race.
“I totally disagree with the conclusion that Mitt Romney did not want to win.”
Careful with that axe, please. I only said it was “almost as though...”.
If enough people did as this guy then it explains why the polls were wrong. Enough people told the pollsters one thing and voted another.
Just how much food DO they grow inside the beltways?
Yes WE are outnumbered! Who is WE? “We” are not just conservatives, “we” are Patriots that didn’t want Obama finishing off the USA. And if a “conservative” stayed home, then s/he is not part of “We”. So We are outnumbered, the math is simple, “they” got more votes than “we” did...that’s called outnumbered. STOP PUTTING HOPE INTO THE FORMULA, IT IS NOT A STRATEGY. This country is now doomed thanks to a bunch of people that don’t care enough to save it. My feeling toward anybody who didn’t step forward to save us from OBAMA’S Amerika is a traitor... democrat or “conservative.”
You are so right. America is headed into some very hard times..No one will escape the mourning. The coming atrocities will be unbelievable. Only those who believe in God will find any measure of peace. Consider the “demographics” we are hearing so much about and then try to imagine what kind of wisdom resides inside those ranks. We have seen this before throughout history, but , of course, one needs to be aware of history to connect to those lessons.
You are exactly right about the akin and mourdock snafu.
The outlook becomes even more grim when one gets scolded and called a liberal here for insisting that forcing rape victims to carry a rapists child is a losing proposition.
Yes, they cheated. Massive voter fraud!
Absolutely no doubt about it.
Are we just going to roll over and accept it??
Sign the petition for a recount:
Visit this site. They are keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:
From the website:
Barack Obama voter fraud 2012
Friday, November 9, 2012 - 22 Updates Posted Today and People You Can Contact! See FRIDAY UPDATES! *
Is this what Barack Obama calls a ground game? All things considered, on this page and elsewhere, Mitt Romney IS our President elect. Lets do something about it!
Ill be adding additional links on a regular basis and forwarding all of this information to Mitts campaign! Please send other links.
Evidence of massive Obama voter fraud in Colorado! Ten counties show 104% to 140% turnout!
Fraud: Some told they already voted, others brag about voting multiple times
Crooked Politics: Obama Lost in Every State With Photo ID Law
Philly Polling Stations Where GOP Inspectors Were Kicked Out Had 90% Voter Turnout, 99% Voted For Obama
[Sounds like those Black Panthers who kicked out the GOP observers and stood guard at the polling stations were not just trying to intimidate voters! They were hiding something!]
Voter Fraud Watch: Two Election Judges Replaced After Illegal Activity in Ohio - Fox News Insider
Why the Polls are Wrong: Electorate is R+6
Vote fraud alert: One out of five registered Ohio voters is bogus
via @BeachCity55 on Twitter: Senior parents in Florida told not to put their ballots through their reader but in a box. Senior votes in FL not counted?
Data Points To A Powerful Romney Campaign And Yet
You have to vote for Dems NYC poll worker tells GOP Senate candidate #IllegalElectioneering
At least 70,000 report voting problems, mostly in swing states
Plane crash destroys Afghanistan US military ballots, most of which are for Mitt Romney
Obamas pattern of disenfranchisement of the military vote
Another Stolen Election? Election data HIGHLY suspicious AND the George Soros Secretary of State Project http://goo.gl/y1ybR
Yes, this is the same George Soros who owns part of the company in Spain Obama outsourced parts of the election to and who has been banned from Hungary because he tampered with elections there.
We will continue to add updates! Please check back often!
From Lynn Victory on Facebook:
Thanks for what you are doing. My son is friends with a guy in the Romney campaign who has actually been on since 2008. He is not high up, but said that the O campaign bought high tech equipment to target county by county where the votes were needed in battle-ground states, so that they could bus in the needed votes. The guy would not say fraud, but that is fraud.
Also this referral from Lynn:
White House Insider on Obama Steal the Votes Strategy (Just Before the Election)
these Obama boys
they took it to a whole other level. Votes, donations
its a lot more Putin than it is Clinton. Pay to play
this country never seen it at this level.
Voter fraud witnessed in Wisconsin by one of Mitts ORCA observers:
via Lori Patriot on Facebook:
52 Democrats arrested for VOTER FRAUD so far
VIDEO: Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers
In 2008, John McCain Ignored Vote Fraud to Avoid Civil Unrest
Michael Savage: How Obama fixed 2012 election
Massive voter fraud discovered in April
Is Voter Fraud Being Committed in Ohio? (Early Voting)
Pundit Press: What Luck! Obama Won Dozens of Cleveland Districts with 100% of the Vote
Photo of Ethiopians brought to Ohio voting stations by busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket
Did this Dirty Trick Get Obama Re-Elected?
Vote Fraud Expert: Romney Votes Not Counted in Key States
Could we fix an election? Sure, they would never know it.
Thousands of votes from our military troops uncounted or missing
Defense Department cant put soldiers, ballots together
Voter fraud in Pennsylvania - Black Panthers return, GOP inspectors thrown out
Ohio fraudulent voter registration cards
Ohio Residents Told They Already Voted When They Showed Up At the Polls Tuesday
Poll Worker Puts Glendale Precincts Ballots on Car, Drives Away
Referenced above, but with more information:
Two Ohio Election Judges Removed for Allowing Unregistered Voters to Cast Ballots
Democrat Admits Hes Voted FOUR Times Already
Boston reports 129% voter turnout, 79% for Obama; 74% for Elizabeth Warren
This one could be just a calibration issue, but not necessarily based on the programers testimony in the next link:
Voting machine swaps Romney for Obama
Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting
VIDEO: Possible voter fraud in Pennsylvania or just voting machine malfunction?
Voter Fraud Complaint Filed against Florida Democrats
Ballot Re-writers Update from Allen Westhttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=299196730187117&set=a.198312883608836.34844.198021666971291&type=1&theater
Half the Democratic ground game is voter turnout. The other half is voter fraud.
Voter Fraud: Obama Won 108% of Registered Voters in Wood County, Ohio
Video: Diebold Whistleblower Speaks Out on Voter Fraud
BREAKING: St. Lucie County, Florida Had 141.1% Turnout; Obama Won County
Between St. Lucie and Broward Counties, we have a pretty good idea what happened in Florida. Normal voting is what, 50% turnout? It doesnt take many counties like this to affect an entire state by multiple percentage points.
All of these numbers between 99% (Pennsylvania) and 141.1% (Florida) turnout in dozens of counties in swing states makes me think Team Obama was panicking a lot just before the election, with Mitt up by 7% in certain early voting polls.
They overcompensated so much the fraud is impossible to hide. I think they know it, which may be one reason Axelrod is stepping down. (Sound familiar Petraeus and Benghazi?)
As I told someone earlier today, this is who Obama is. This is who Chicago (the machine) is.
Do we really want this to be who America is?
Is this how we will define our elections from 2008 on? As Mitt says, America can do better.
We must do better. We cant let the message be out there that America will let this fraud go.
Want to do something about all of this? Tiffany Banks and Darin Southam forwarded me a list of people you can contact who are in the November 9, 2012 3:12 PM comment below.
Did you know voters can request a recount in certain states? (Ohio, Virginia, Florida, Wisconsin!) Take a look at the comment by @RightonMainSt dated November 9, 2012 11:45 PM below for instructions! Mitt will have to ask in Colorado himself. (Yes, you Mitt!)
It has also been suggested that we ask Republican Secretaries of State NOT to certify the election until all questions about voter fraud are abated.
Some people think this may provoke a crisis, but it cant be worse than the one we are looking at for the next four years and the impact on generations to come!
America NEEDS Mitt, and Mitt won fair and square. This was not a ballot stuffing competition but an election. Lets make sure its counted that way!
Thank you all. Over 7,500 people have visited this page in the first 24 hours and I hope millions will see it eventually. Please pass it on! We can do this! (Yes we can!)
Photo of Ethiopians brought to Ohio voting stations by busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket https://www.facebook.com/lori.patriot/posts/404694619604138
Must watch videos!
VIDEO-Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting
VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers
VIDEO- Michael Savage: How Obama fixed the 2012 election:
VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April:
Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud;
http://www.youtube.com/watch? feature=player_embedded&v=k_rMpQKqZhM ___________________________________________________
We can't wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.
We must act NOW.
Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.
We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....
We FReepers are warriors. Those who chose to shrug their shoulders and accept this atrocity don't deserve to be called FReepers. We never give up. We FIGHT!
I am convinced that there was massive voter fraud.
I am also convinced that Romney and his organization blew it in the same way McCain did.
Not in his public appearances, which were very good, but in his treatment of Sarah Palin, Ron Paul, Gingrich and others who have great crowd appeal, but even more important, really good ideas and the ability to captivate people with those ideas.
Shutting those out turned off a huge number of conservatives.
Of course there was voter fraud. Counties voting almost twice their registered voters.
Fortunately, there are two electorates out there - the off-year and the presidential. The freebie zombies don’t come out in hordes like they do in presidential elections. That’s when we strike back. They don’t know their own congressman anyway.
Threatened Democrats in 2014 include Sens. Mark Begich (Alaska), Al Franken (Minn.), Tim Johnson (S.D.), Mark Pryor (Ark.), John Rockefeller (W.Va.) and Jeanne Shaheen (N.H.).
Other Democrats are running in Republican-leaning states Sens. Max Baucus (Mont.) and Mary Landrieu (La.) or swing states Sens. Kay Hagan (N.C.) and Mark Warner (Va.).
It is going to be interesting to see what support the Marxist gets from his own party these next four years. And the Clinton revenge is coming.
Yeah. I met an Army Col. the other day who did a tour in Iraq. Black guy. It was clear from his comments about the election which way he voted-—for a man who has done more to undermine the U.S. military than anyone in the history of the office.
The huge Republican 2010 takeover of the House was authenticated and cemented as not comprising merely an aberrational “wave election.” When people voted for their deepest, most direct concerns at home, they chose Republicans to control the House. Three new “Tea Party”-quality U.S. senators were elected: Deb Fischer in Nebraska, Jeff Flake in Arizona, Ted Cruz in Texas. Even in the U.S. Senate, Republicans would have held our numbers if not for two fools — one in Missouri and one in Indiana — who did to us this year what Christine O'Donnell and Sharron Angle did two years ago, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
But even there, in the Senate, hidden beneath and embedded within the numbers, there has been a tidal change toward bedrock conservatism. The most liberal and the most compromised of Republican senators are disappearing, having been replaced in only these past two years by the likes of Jim DeMint (the only one predating 2010), Kelly Ayotte, Ted Cruz, Deb Fischer, Jeff Flake, Ron Johnson, Mike Lee, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Pat Toomey, and several others who will not vote for a repeat of George W. Bush budgets with trillion-dollar deficits, for bridges to nowhere, for restricting oil leases and for expanding the federal budget. If not for the four flops — the Akin, Angle, Mourdock, and O'Donnell stumbles of a newly emerging powerful grassroots force for authentic yet reasonable and skillful conservatives — Republicans now would be only two takeovers away from controlling both Houses, and controlling them with authentically conservative agendas. That is just around the corner.
All this movement to dynamic bedrock conservatism has surged forward in only two years, notwithstanding the “changing face of the electorate.” And what do you call Susana Martinez, Marco Rubio, and Ted Cruz? Or Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley, and Brian Sandoval? We built that. The midterm elections in 2014 almost surely will result in another Republican-conservative wave advance. And when 2016 comes, Republicans will get to choose from one heck of a fabulous bumper crop of youthful yet legislatively experienced superstars, bona-fide presidential contenders, bona-fide presidential contenders with proven experience in being reasonable and reaching across the aisle without sacrificing principle, while the Democrats will be selecting from the likes of septuagenarians Biden and Hillary, and liberal Northeasterners like Cuomo. (Or as I might add the corrupt charlatan Villarosa from bankrupt LA)
And that is cool.”
Thank you for bringing that OpEd to my attention.
It was great to read!
There ARE a lot of roses growing in the weed patch!
We must pay attention and continue to cultivate our flourishing conservative gardens.
Today 04:04 AM - in reply to cp97816, Sally Zelikovsky answered a gloating commenter to her What Conservatives Need article, wrote this:
"Maybe the media should stop pressing pundits for predictions and we should all just wait until election night. And not all of them predicted a landslide. Polls were tight. What you did see in the last weeks of the election was a jazzed republican electorate and a tepid democrat electorate. Obama had trouble admitted by both sides getting numbers, enthusiasm....even the O campaign was worried. What happened to all of that momentum and enthusiasm? Did it disappear? Was it never there (were both sides lying? blind?). As for the country not agreeing? Please, it was almost a dead heat in the end in terms of the popular vote and the popular vote elects the House...this country is evenly divided. As for our ideas? THe press and academy control the narrative....and as for ignoring the loss, that won't happen. You have awakened a sleeping giant in 2008 and now that giant is ticked off."
It comes down to this simple fact, we have to give people something to vote for. Until we do that, we will continue to be the minority. I am not talking about changing what we believe, I am talking about selling it to enough people in a united way so that we win elections and are able to implement policy. It will be difficult, but we need to find a way to talk above the rabble and I think the only way to do that is to cobble together a coalition that is separate from the Republican party.
I believe there are different polls for different things. A lot of polls are worded to get the wanted outcome - social issues. Often it's impossible to know what someone's answer really meant - how someone feels about a very generally worded question/topic. Such as, Are you against "such and such?" You can be agreeing by being against, and visa versa. But it's all lumped into one pile.
Then polls for or against a person are another animal indeed.
He most certainly wanted to win (and his family stood with him and campaigned the entire way).
Yes! Candidates must be able to articulate their positions. Having your heart in the right place is not enough. Politics is rough and tumble and you need enough skill and talent to win.
I don’t think you fully understand......we have run out of time. A sprinkling of a few conservative new Republicans (of whom will become corrupted shortly or put into their place by the “big dogs”) means nothing.
We have simply run out of time and the Republican party does not reflect the desires of the common working citizen. It never has and never will.
The next four years will completely destroy our heritage, freedoms, morals and lifestyles.
Over the past years we squandered our use of time and voted for the party and not the participants within the party. I’ve heard time and time again “that a vote for the man rather than the party was a wasted vote” and look where it has brought us by voting straight line Republican.
It’s over. We have passed the tilting point and from here on out we can only try to survive the oncoming onslaught by curling up in the fetal position and by kidding ourselves that somehow the Republican party can be “fixed.”
No, only a brand new party that reflects true conservatives (and discouraged liberals and Democrats) that the only way we can reach this goal is to scrap all laws, regulations and directions that conflict directly with the Constitution. By the way, I mean the ORIGINAL Constitution...not the newly invented LIVING Constitution.
Maybe. Perhaps strong, courageous leadership would embolden these people to take more interest in politics, but from everything he says, I wouldn't count on it. Nobody that he mentions sounds very committed ideologically.
That could be the problem: people are neither hot nor cold. Leaders as timid and withdrawn as themselves leave them unimpressed and uninspired, but a more ideologically rigorous approach would also turn them off.
These people will never take much interest in politics until they really feel it where it hurts, but I wonder if one lesson may be that a multi-party system where people can more easily find a candidate who fits their own views and level of ideological commitment is preferable to what we have now.
That is so common sense!
Yes and another reason that conservative Americans must stand their ground,as stated by William Bigelow “ Obama has a history of jettisoning people once they have outlived their usefulness, this time it is the gay community.
Heres the kicker; realizing that some states are now endorsing gay marriage, Obama suddenly became a champion of states rights, asserting, For us to try to legislate federally into this area is probably the wrong way to go.
When the states endorse Obamas positions, hes a states rights guy. When they dont, he runs roughshod over them with the federal government.
Obama continued on Friday:
First of all, I’ve been very clear about my belief that same-sex couples have to be treated before the eyes of the law the same way as heterosexual couples. I think that’s the right thing to do. It’s based on my personal experience, seeing loving couples who are committed to each other, raising kids and are just outstanding people. And I was supportive of civil unions, but they taught me, if you’re using different words, if you’re somehow singling them out, they don’t feel true equality.
Obama says hes been very clear? About as clear as mud. In May he raked in huge amounts of funding from the gay community and their supporters in May when he endorsed gay marriage. But before that time he had been a veritable ping-pong ball on the issue, vacillating wildly to reach whichever position was politically advantageous at the time. In 1996, as a state senator in Illinois he supported gay marriage. Yet in 2004, when he ran for the United States Senate, he was against it, saying:
What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman What I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and its not simply the two persons who are meeting.
Then when he ran for president in 2008, he took the middle road, supporting civil unions:
“My feelings about this are constantly evolving. I struggle with this. At this point, what Ive said is, is that my baseline is a strong civil union that provides them the protections and the legal rights that married couples have.
That statement came two months after he told liberal bloggers that he was “unwilling to sign on to same-sex marriage.”
The gay community wont leave Obama over his sudden abandonment of championing their agenda at the federal level. But the absolute fickleness of this man and the insidious way he changes his positions in order to suit his ruthless pursuit of power should be frightening to any prospective supporters.
Obama has shown that compromise with him is futile. He will say whatever is necessary to achieve his objectives, not what is best for our country.
So hold firm conservative America we’ve accomplished so much since 2010 that the country club RINOs and demorat fear us. It may not seem that way with all the subterfuge thrown at us by the media and RINOs, but we are.
Link to Mr. Bigelow’s article:http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/11/Obama-Won-t-Fight-For-Gay-Marriage-His-Second-Term
I got my prescription from the Albertson’s pharmacist.
He said “I didn’t even know who won the election until I came into work this morning.”
I said “Did your guy win?”
He said “Oh, I couldn’t care even less who won, I don’t pay attention to those things.”
Just shocked the hell out of me that a white-collar professional couldn’t be bothered to vote and couldn’t care less who wins.
Question: What in Hell is Steve Lopez babbling about? Telling the California GOP they need to purge the fire-breathing far-right knuckle-draggers from among their candidates is like telling the zoos around the state that they need to sell their unicorns. Sorry. In the real world, California Republicans aren’t running as fire-breathing far-right knuckle-draggers. Up and down the ballot, they’re running as reasonable, normal, practical, problem-solving people offering to work across party lines to solve the mess, just like Lopez wants. And up and down the ballot, they’re almost to a person getting pasted by the Democrats. I suppose Lopez might bring up Proposition 8 as an example par excellence of the knuckle-dragging stuff. The problem is that, again, in the real world, California voters approved Prop 8 at the same time they voted for Barack Obama. Awk. Ward.
Does the California GOP need to make changes? Yes. But it needs to make those changes based on what reality is telling them. And reality is telling them that Steve Lopez’ way (and Steve Schmidt’s way and Dave Frum’s way and a legion of other moderate Republican operatives’ way) doesn’t work.
Interesting on two counts. First, I think the officer in question was indeed in support ( but am not sure), and second, it is interesting that Jimi Hendrix was in the 82nd and until the las six months of his life spoke very positively about the Army, supported the Vietnam War, and only changed his views late (probably with the urging of his publicist).
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