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The Reason Obama is President
Pravda ^ | 07.11.2012. | Xavier Lerma

Posted on 11/11/2012 4:46:38 AM PST by kronos77

Thomas Jefferson wrote: "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever."

The revisionist historians have tried to "cover up" God himself by not allowing recent generations to know that America was once a nation of religious people. Now, over half the people in America are not well informed and are willing to believe the spoon fed propaganda from the Democrats and Republicans.

The Democrats and Republicans are notorious for wanting to stay in power. Their worshipers get their education from TV and their friends. In the future, after it becomes obvious that their plan failed, these "useful idiots" will still blame Bush for the economy, overlook Obama as they overlooked Clinton's mistakes or think their vote counts and they actually have freedom while approving of wars overseas. Such people are the product of America's decaying society whose reality has been warped by drugs and other selfish pleasures. America has gradually become worse from the drugs, rock and roll of the 60′s and 70′s to the drugs and rap music of today. The communists won while Americans smoked pot.

The alienation of God in society began in the classroom. Today, blasphemies can easily be seen on TV and the cinema. Hollywood portrays the sane as the insane. The abnormal and perverted as normal. The unborn babies are seen as nothing. The silent holocaust continues. Is it any wonder America is in trouble?

(Excerpt) Read more at english.pravda.ru ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: communism; god; idiotsdidntvote4mitt; obama; rigged; russia; soros; voterfraud
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1 posted on 11/11/2012 4:46:42 AM PST by kronos77
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To: kronos77

voter fraud


2 posted on 11/11/2012 4:48:14 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Being Brietbart)
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To: kronos77
Therefore, only prayer and penance will lead America once again to that guiding light that governed the founding Fathers. Prayers can turn the tide of evil in the US and its chaotic effect in the world. May God bless America. Until then, only President Vladimir Putin can prevent America's military Democracy from destroying the world.

Read, and reread the last line
The article is a setup

3 posted on 11/11/2012 4:51:04 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: kronos77
There is only one reason Obama is President, he offered more “freebies” than Romney and the minorities love it. Free food, free health insurance, free transportation, free electricity, free housing, free money, free phone, etc.
Romney could have offered everyone a free house then Obama would have offered a free house with a free car and gas.
4 posted on 11/11/2012 4:51:29 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: kronos77

“He gave us a phone!”


5 posted on 11/11/2012 4:51:43 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: kronos77

Being accurately lectured by Pravda on the failings of America. Swell.


6 posted on 11/11/2012 4:52:40 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: tobyhill

Freebees, and their are tons of more whites on them in this country as well.

Voting themselves the treasury and other productive people’s money.


7 posted on 11/11/2012 4:53:10 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: kronos77

The article is crap. Their hero, Putin, wants to stay in power as much as any Democrat or Republican.


8 posted on 11/11/2012 4:58:45 AM PST by CASchack
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To: ronnie raygun

Yeah...I’m sure there was a lot of voter fraud...is it beginning to be clear to others too, that the current two pary system is nonsense...it’s kabuki...when John Roberts voted aye on Obamacare...my sense was that the GOP was going to lose the election too.

Seems like there’re certain things big money politicians feel they have to go along with, and Obamacare and four more years of The One are two of them.

Maybe I’m getting cynical.


9 posted on 11/11/2012 5:00:06 AM PST by kjo (+)
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To: A CA Guy

I used to think so too, but when you look at the total number on welfare and then divide the percentage of that group into races, you will now see a marked difference from the prior conceptions once held - blacks and whites nearly equal (37 and 36% with hispanics coming in at 20%

If you look at the percentages of each race on welfare, whites are by far the least (5%), with blacks and hispanics trebling and quadrupling the whites’ percentages.

http://www.utexas.edu/depts/ic2/et/learner/general.html


10 posted on 11/11/2012 5:02:27 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: tobyhill

One of the primay reasons Obama won is our failure to get out our vote - those conservatives who refused to vote are disgusting people, IMO


11 posted on 11/11/2012 5:02:53 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: kronos77

PRAVDA? REALLY?? This like reading about the need for abstinence from a sex addict.

OLD COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA TECHNIQUE: Demoralize the oopposition by using their own values and principles against them.

WE CAN CRITICIZE OURSELVES. We do NOT need idiot communists to point out the erosion of our way of life. That was THEIR PLAN all along. It started when they took over the Roosevelt Administration.


12 posted on 11/11/2012 5:03:01 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: HangnJudge

Ignore the last part. What else could you expect from Pravda? Still, it doesn’t make all the other article any wrong.
BTW, Obama’s stand for the Middle East issues makes Russian position look good there.


13 posted on 11/11/2012 5:04:39 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Gaffer

You are looking a percentage of each race, but the fact is if you look at the numbers ON welfare, almost half are white.
So though maybe 95% of whites are not attached to welfare, there are still a great deal of whites along with everyone else attached to government employment, their unions, food stamps, unemployment, Obama phones and the ones that are brainwashed liberal.


14 posted on 11/11/2012 5:14:56 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: kronos77

The democrats are genius. The third world loves the democrat party so the DNC imports them....legally or not.

Time for whites in the West to re discover their tribal roots..


15 posted on 11/11/2012 5:15:02 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Que? LOL


16 posted on 11/11/2012 5:16:07 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: kronos77

17 posted on 11/11/2012 5:24:07 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: kronos77

The reason why this man won is simple. The masses just dont care. they’ve realized they dont have to work for things let the government take care of their needs. This isnt the greatest generation we re dealin with anymore it’s the gimme generation. Why work , why struggle government will give me a small phone and a big tv. They dont care that other poeples money will run out. Nothin will change until the bottom falls out and theres no more money to give.
I’m jealous of the boomer generation , they grew up in the USA’s best days. Everybody pulled there weight and enjoyed the fruits of their labor. They had it too good, thanks to the struggles of the greatest generation.
The bottom will fall out soon and we’ ll see how it goes. Im afraid the USA as we read about in the history books is forever gone. No incentive to be great just an incentive to get as much as you can with other poeples money.
It was a nice ride. It will have to get worse before it will get better so good luck.


18 posted on 11/11/2012 5:26:23 AM PST by RIGHTWING WACKO FROM MASS. (Better to have and not need than to need and not have...my theory on gun control)
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To: HangnJudge

They are very Christian over there. They don’t have much tolerance for silly gays, for example. But it’s a very anti-American form of Christianity.


19 posted on 11/11/2012 5:28:01 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: A CA Guy

You are looking a percentage of each race, but the fact is if you look at the numbers ON welfare, almost half are white.
So though maybe 95% of whites are not attached to welfare, there are still a great deal of whites along with everyone else attached to government employment, their unions, food stamps, unemployment, Obama phones and the ones that are brainwashed liberal.
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It is no matter who are on welfare. The problem is a way of thinking. Is it a white guilt or socialist lean it is no matter. Too many people has lost their roots and disconnected from basic American principles.

It makes a freedom at great risk as Reagan noted.

And it is needed to turn it back. It is useless to keep values circulating in a closed clubs like Free Republic or Tea Party movement.

An idea is to make these values universal again.


20 posted on 11/11/2012 5:30:43 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: kronos77

The previous elections, I would’ve said the reason the Democrats won (Clinton in ‘92 and ‘96, Obama in 2008) was because the voters were dumb. IN this election, they’re actually pretty smart. Why work when you have Obama taking care of you?


21 posted on 11/11/2012 5:34:40 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Pray for Joe Biden- Proverbs 29:9)
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To: cunning_fish
Still, it doesn’t make all the other article any wrong.

Ignore the source or its stated message?

I think not.

22 posted on 11/11/2012 5:41:12 AM PST by Prospero
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To: Prospero

Ignore the message, ignore the source as well if you want but it is not smart to fear a source if you are a thinking man who knows what is it.
IMO, in reality this message mostly adressing a recent “nation building” by Democrats in ME.


23 posted on 11/11/2012 5:50:25 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: MuttTheHoople

I think one of the big reasons he won is because his message of “taking care of folks” probably sounded more authentic. One area of voters not talked about is the tidal wave of boomers who are entering retirement. How many stories have we heard of this group not having enough in savings to be prepared? Couple those messages with candidates telling them that they will be either keeping benefits and/ or adding new ones versus one that says essentially we’ll be cutting - which one do you think got the votes? Not saying it is right but I think our messages need to be updated with the times.


24 posted on 11/11/2012 5:54:12 AM PST by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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To: A CA Guy

Go back and look at the link. It is NOT a percentage of each race! It specifically said that 37% ON welfare are white, 36% black, and 20% are hispanic fd(6% other). How is that so difficult to understand? Blacks and hispanics are 56%....over one half vs a little over a third. Look at the tables!

The percentage on welfare by each race (of their total is like I said - 5% whites vs. a much higher percentage for blacks and hispanicsw.

While this link is from UTEX, I’ve seen similar data from the government.....that more whites thing is a myth......


25 posted on 11/11/2012 5:56:45 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: HangnJudge

Kronos77, I don’t think that is a set up. The Commander in Chief of our country is a Marxist who apparently does whatever he wants, however he wants, and we the people are completely in the dark. The USA right now, is no better than China, or Russia in terms of government propaganda. If Obama wants to squelch rising internal opposition, do you think for a minute that he is beyond engaging in war? As a matter of fact China, the US, and the EU, are likely to see internal uprisings in the near future. Putin is a snake, and apparently among the few Obama respects.


26 posted on 11/11/2012 6:14:47 AM PST by mgist
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To: kronos77

The unborn babies are seen as nothing.

But if they find bacteria on Mars they call it life.


27 posted on 11/11/2012 6:20:01 AM PST by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: elpadre

I think those Conservatives mostly voted, but their votes were watered down bydemocrat voter fraud in precincts and wards that had upwards of 140% + voter turnout. Allen West id the only candidate protesting it, although it went on in all the swing states. The RNC is dead.


28 posted on 11/11/2012 6:21:03 AM PST by stickywillie (stanley ann went black, & never came back)
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To: tobyhill; DarthVader; Impy; sickoflibs; July4; nutmeg
I saw an ad on TV yesterday for “Assurance Wireless” a.k.a. “Obama Phones”.

Every single person they showed was Black or Latino.

I wonder if “Assurance Wireless” is the designated carrier for those two groups and some of these other “Obama Phoners” are for the Whites and another for Asians?

BTW, I was out last night in Boston; an AA peddling for change asked me for some, I very loudly replied: “Ask Obama!”

Yeah, I know it's lowest common denominator, but I felt good.

29 posted on 11/11/2012 6:22:23 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (The autopsy will show that this nation committed suicide.)
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To: ronnie raygun
voter fraud

Voter fraud by unions: ACORN SEIU NAA(L)CP.

30 posted on 11/11/2012 6:22:59 AM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: mgist

Romney losing is exactly what needed to happen. Romney would have simply enabled this dysfunctional, corruption, and nepotism between the government/market/media pillars of our society to continue. Without truth we will never succeed. The media is in bed with the enemy, and. It is money that makes her bend over at will. The market and the government have a revolving door between them that exchanges employees, favors, and money. It has to stop, even if it means hitting bottom. Obama’s “popularity” is a farce, there was ample voter fraud, foreign donations, collusion with international socialists, and abuse of government powers, which combined with their Goebbel’s like propaganda machine makes it impossible to do anything.


31 posted on 11/11/2012 6:24:43 AM PST by mgist
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To: kronos77

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The reason the Marxist/Muslim usurper sob is STILL president?
Massive voter fraud!

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Sign the petition for a recount:
http://www.petition2congress.com/8222/petition-recount-on-2012-presidential-election/

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Visit this site. They are keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:
http://www.ObamaVoterFraud.com/

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From the website:
http://www.ObamaVoterFraud.com/

Barack Obama voter fraud 2012

Friday, November 9, 2012 - 22 Updates Posted Today and People You Can Contact! See FRIDAY UPDATES! *

Is this what Barack Obama calls a “ground game?” All things considered, on this page and elsewhere, Mitt Romney IS our President elect. Let’s do something about it!

I’ll be adding additional links on a regular basis and forwarding all of this information to Mitt’s campaign! Please send other links.

Evidence of massive Obama voter fraud in Colorado! Ten counties show 104% to 140% turnout!
http://www.redstate.com/2012/09/04/colorado-counties-have-more-voters-than-people/

Fraud: Some told they already voted, others brag about voting multiple times
http://www.examiner.com/article/fraud-some-told-they-already-voted-others-brag-about-voting-multiple-times

Crooked Politics: Obama Lost in Every State With Photo ID Law
http://american3rdposition.com/?p=8416

Philly Polling Stations Where GOP Inspectors Were Kicked Out Had 90% Voter Turnout, 99% Voted For Obama…
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/08/philly-polling-stations-where-gop-inspectors-were-kicked-out-had-90-voter-turnout-99-voted-for-obama/

[Sounds like those Black Panthers who kicked out the GOP observers and stood guard at the polling stations were not just trying to intimidate voters! They were hiding something!]

Voter Fraud Watch: Two Election Judges Replaced After Illegal Activity in Ohio - Fox News Insider
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/11/07/voter-fraud-watch-two-election-judges-replaced-after-illegal-activity-in-ohio/

Why the Polls are Wrong: Electorate is R+6
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2012/11/05/Why-the-Polls-are-Wrong-Poll-Shows-Electorate-is-R-6

Vote fraud alert: One out of five registered Ohio voters is bogus
http://www.humanevents.com/2012/09/17/vote-fraud-alert-one-out-of-five-registered-ohio-voters-is-bogus/#.UJrnpl7Imc0.facebook

via @BeachCity55 on Twitter: Senior parents in Florida told not to put their ballots through their reader but in a box. Senior votes in FL not counted?

Data Points To A Powerful Romney Campaign – And Yet…He Lost?
http://goo.gl/GB723

“You have to vote for Dems” NYC poll worker tells GOP Senate candidate #IllegalElectioneering
http://goo.gl/nn5CN

At least 70,000 report voting problems, mostly in swing states
http://goo.gl/jjCSX

Plane crash destroys Afghanistan US military ballots, most of which are for Mitt Romney
http://goo.gl/kNLFz

Obama’s pattern of disenfranchisement of the military vote
http://electionlawblog.org/?cat=48

Another Stolen Election? Election data HIGHLY suspicious AND the George Soros’ “Secretary of State Project” http://goo.gl/y1ybR

Yes, this is the same George Soros who owns part of the company in Spain Obama outsourced parts of the election to and who has been banned from Hungary because he tampered with elections there.

We will continue to add updates! Please check back often!

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THURSDAY UPDATES:

From Lynn Victory on Facebook:

“Thanks for what you are doing. My son is friends with a guy in the Romney campaign who has actually been on since 2008. He is not high up, but said that the O campaign bought high tech equipment to target county by county where the votes were needed in battle-ground states, so that they could “bus in the needed votes”. The guy would not say fraud, but that is fraud.”

Also this referral from Lynn:
White House Insider on Obama Steal the Votes Strategy (Just Before the Election)

“But…these Obama boys…they took it to a whole other level. Votes, donations…deals…it’s a lot more Putin than it is Clinton. Pay to play…Big Labor…this country never seen it at this level.”
http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/11/01/white-house-insider-governor-romney-is-gonna-win-this-thing/

Voter fraud witnessed in Wisconsin by one of Mitt’s ORCA observers:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=387389068009997&set=a.362561847159386.84375.361783440570560&type=1&theater

via Lori Patriot on Facebook:
52 Democrats arrested for VOTER FRAUD so far
http://www.newsnet14.com/?p=92957

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VIDEO: Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ILJDudUpct0

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In 2008, John McCain Ignored Vote Fraud to Avoid Civil Unrest
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46302

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Michael Savage: How Obama fixed 2012 election
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dmJtaOO2etc

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Massive voter fraud discovered in April
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ILJDudUpct0

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Is Voter Fraud Being Committed in Ohio? (Early Voting)
http://www.humanevents.com/2012/10/26/is-voter-fraud-being-committed-in-ohio/

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FRIDAY UPDATES:

Pundit Press: What Luck! Obama Won Dozens of Cleveland Districts with 100% of the Vote
http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html

Photo of Ethiopians brought to Ohio voting stations by busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket
https://www.facebook.com/lori.patriot/posts/404694619604138

“Did this Dirty Trick Get Obama Re-Elected?”
http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/did-this-dirty-trick-get-obama-elected/

Vote Fraud Expert: Romney Votes Not Counted in Key States
http://www.prisonplanet.com/vote-fraud-expert-romney-votes-not-counted-in-key-states.html

“Could we fix an election? Sure, they would never know it.”
http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/11/09/could-we-fix-an-election-sure-they-would-never-know-it/

Thousands of votes from our military troops uncounted or missing
http://www.examiner.com/article/cast-aside-thousands-of-votes-from-our-military-troops-uncounted-or-missing

Defense Department can’t put soldiers, ballots together
http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/defense-department-cant-put-soldiers-ballots-together/

Voter fraud in Pennsylvania - Black Panthers return, GOP inspectors thrown out
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-conservative/2012/nov/6/voter-fraud-pennsylvania-black-panthers-return-gop/

Ohio fraudulent voter registration cards
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ohio-voter-registration-fraud/2012/11/03/id/462674

Ohio Residents Told They Already Voted When They Showed Up At the Polls Tuesday
http://godfatherpolitics.com/7942/ohio-residents-told-they-already-voted-when-they-showed-up-at-the-polls-tuesday/#.UJuBsqfTvHc.facebook

Poll Worker Puts Glendale Precinct’s Ballots on Car, Drives Away
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Ballots-Found-in-Glendale-Street-177720291.html

Referenced above, but with more information:

Two Ohio Election Judges Removed for Allowing Unregistered Voters to Cast Ballots
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/06/Report-Two-Election-Judges-Removed-By-Hamilton-County-Ohio-for-Allowing-Unregistered-Voters-to-Cast-Ballots

Democrat Admits He’s Voted FOUR Times Already
http://nation.foxnews.com/voter-fraud/2012/11/05/democrat-admits-hes-voted-four-times-already

Boston reports 129% voter turnout, 79% for Obama; 74% for Elizabeth Warren
http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/35319922188/voter-fraud-boston-reports-129-voter-turnout-79-for

This one could be just a calibration issue, but not necessarily based on the programer’s testimony in the next link:
Voting machine swaps Romney for Obama
http://www.marionstar.com/article/20121031/NEWS03/310310009

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Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Hbf3iaEbAuY

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VIDEO: Possible voter fraud in Pennsylvania — or just voting machine malfunction?
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/uwelectioneye/2012/11/06/possible-voter-fraud-in-pennsylvania/

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Voter Fraud Complaint Filed against Florida Democrats
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/voter-fraud-Florida-Democrats/2012/10/05/id/458894

“Ballot Re-writers” Update from Allen Westhttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=299196730187117&set=a.198312883608836.34844.198021666971291&type=1&theater

“Half the Democratic ground game is voter turnout. The other half is voter fraud.”

Voter Fraud: Obama Won 108% of Registered Voters in Wood County, Ohio
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/voter-fraud-obama-won-%108-of-registered-voters-in-ohio-county/

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Video: Diebold Whistleblower Speaks Out on Voter Fraud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k_rMpQKqZhM

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BREAKING: St. Lucie County, Florida Had 141.1% Turnout; Obama Won County
http://www.ihatethemedia.com/breaking-st-lucie-county-florida-had-1411-turnout-obama-won-county

Between St. Lucie and Broward Counties, we have a pretty good idea what happened in Florida. Normal voting is what, 50% turnout? It doesn’t take many counties like this to affect an entire state by multiple percentage points.

All of these numbers between 99% (Pennsylvania) and 141.1% (Florida) turnout in dozens of counties in swing states makes me think Team Obama was panicking a lot just before the election, with Mitt up by 7% in certain early voting polls.
They overcompensated so much the fraud is impossible to hide. I think they know it, which may be one reason Axelrod is stepping down. (Sound familiar Petraeus and Benghazi?)

As I told someone earlier today, this is who Obama is. This is who Chicago (the machine) is.
Do we really want this to be who America is?
Is this how we will define our elections from 2008 on? As Mitt says, “America can do better.”
We must do better. We can’t let the message be out there that America will let this fraud go.

Want to do something about all of this? Tiffany Banks and Darin Southam forwarded me a list of people you can contact who are in the November 9, 2012 3:12 PM comment below.

Did you know voters can request a recount in certain states? (Ohio, Virginia, Florida, Wisconsin!) Take a look at the comment by @RightonMainSt dated November 9, 2012 11:45 PM below for instructions! Mitt will have to ask in Colorado himself. (Yes, you Mitt!)

It has also been suggested that we ask Republican Secretaries of State NOT to certify the election until all questions about voter fraud are abated.
Some people think this may provoke a crisis, but it can’t be worse than the one we are looking at for the next four years and the impact on generations to come!
America NEEDS Mitt, and Mitt won fair and square. This was not a ballot stuffing competition but an election. Let’s make sure it’s counted that way!

Thank you all. Over 7,500 people have visited this page in the first 24 hours and I hope millions will see it eventually. Please pass it on! We can do this! (Yes we can!)

http://www.ObamaVoterFraud.com/

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9 posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:27:44 AM by patriot08

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To: NotchJohnson

The Catholic church is in the middle of things in this case, if not the cause. But it can act to be part of the solution.

To start with, the church must realize that if a hundred people call themselves Catholic, but only 50 of them are truly Catholic, the church cannot claim a hundred. The other 50 might someday seek redemption, but until they do, they are not an asset to the church, but dead weight.

There is no pride in numbers if half the number are forfeit.

For this reason, the church must divine some means to let those who are not Catholic, know that they are not Catholic, and that they should go their separate way from the church, that they neither call themselves Catholic, think of themselves as Catholics, nor burden the church and the faithful with their presence.

At the same time, the church must reclaim its sacraments as being part of its faith, not a function of government.

Imagine if the government decreed that Baptism was not Baptism unless it was done under government auspices? That children had to have a government issued certificate of Baptism, or the government would not recognize them as having been Baptized?

It sounds ludicrous, but for government to authorize marriage is just as ludicrous. So how does the church (and other religions) take back marriage? They do so by doing so.

The Catholic church could join with other orthodox churches and those churches willing to abide by mutual rules, to only accept marriages that are sacramental in character.

And these rules would be strict: that none of the churches in the agreement would recognize marriages performed outside of the agreement. The state would still recognize them, and the people involved might say they were married, but in the eyes of the churches involved, they would not be married, nor would they be said to be married, nor called husband and wife, Mr. and Mrs.

Likewise the churches would lay claim to divorce, that if allowed in that faith, it was a religious function and not a creature of the state, as it was a conclusion to a religious sacrament, not a civil law dispute.

Thus if the state wanted to say that a man and a goat could be married, that is for the state to say; but that does not make them so in the eyes of all of these churches. That this joining is not recognized nor respected, and the people involved are in no way righteous or respectable.


32 posted on 11/11/2012 6:32:32 AM PST by patriot08
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To: All

Sorry about the mess up, FRiends.


33 posted on 11/11/2012 6:34:11 AM PST by patriot08
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To: All

Photo of Ethiopians brought to Ohio voting stations by busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket https://www.facebook.com/lori.patriot/posts/404694619604138



Must watch videos!

VIDEO-Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Hbf3iaEbAuY



VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ILJDudUpct0



VIDEO- Michael Savage: How Obama fixed the 2012 election:

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VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April:

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We can't wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.

We must act NOW.

Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.

We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....

We FReepers are warriors! We don't shrug our shoulders and walk away. We fight!






34 posted on 11/11/2012 6:39:55 AM PST by patriot08
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To: Gaffer

There are still tons of whites along with others attached to the dole, public assistance of some kind and then there are all those on government employment union welfare and all the families that vote connected to these people.

We say “be responsible, take care of the elderly and disabled and the only remaining social saftey nets should be very limited”.
They say “it’s Christmas, blame the wealthy or racism for your situation in life. We’ll supply what you need from cradle to grave”.

It’s easier to vote Christmas over smaller government and having to go to work for many.


35 posted on 11/11/2012 8:01:11 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

I gave you the actual numbers. 5% of whites isn’t ‘tons’....these old myths about more whites is BS.

We are inundated with foreigners in this once-great country. Foreigners whose main thought is race above all.
They don’t assimilate like before; they hyphenate and lobby for victimhood status. Race baiters and wealth takers.


36 posted on 11/11/2012 8:07:22 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: kronos77
The base problem is morality. When Christians who have heard the word are deceived. It is the last days.
37 posted on 11/11/2012 8:11:40 AM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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To: kronos77; All

This was in my early morning Email.
“Good answer”
A really good analogy on how Obama got elected.

From a teacher in the Nashville area:
We are worried about “the cow” when it is all about the “Ice Cream.”
The most eye-opening civics lesson I ever had was while teaching third grade this year.
The presidential election was heating up and some of the children showed an interest.
I decided we would have an election for a class president. We would choose our nominees.
They would make a campaign speech and the class would vote.
To simplify the process, candidates were nominated by other class members.
We discussed what kinds of characteristics these students should have.
We got many nominations and from those, Jamie and Olivia were picked to run for the top spot.
The class had done a great job in their selections. Both candidates were good kids.
I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of parental support.
I had never seen Olivia’s mother.
The day arrived when they were to make their speeches Jamie went first.
He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place.
He ended by promising to do his very best.
Every one applauded. He sat down and Olivia came to the podium.
Her speech was concise. She said, “If you will vote for me, I will give you ice cream.”
She sat down. The class went wild. “Yes! Yes! We want ice cream.”
She surely would say more. She did not have to.
A discussion followed. How did she plan to pay for the ice cream? She wasn’t sure.
Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it. She didn’t know.
The class really didn’t care. All they were thinking about was ice cream.
Jamie was forgotten. Olivia won by a land slide.
Every time Barack Obama opens his mouth he offers ice cream, fifty two percent
of the people react like nine year olds. They want ice cream. The other forty eight
percent know they’re going to have to feed the cow and clean up the mess.


38 posted on 11/11/2012 8:19:00 AM PST by GOYAKLA (Waiting for the Golden Screw to be removed from Obama's navel!)
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To: HangnJudge
To be expected. There was a lot of truth before that last sentence, more, in fact, than I've seen from the lame stream media here.

Honestly? I don't know who I trust more or trust less, obama or Putin.

39 posted on 11/11/2012 8:19:20 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Gaffer

Well Mexico feels some of our US territory was once theirs, so there is a level of resentment IMO.
Also the nearing nations with people here who can just step back over a local border to go home and who don’t have to go great distances to get here have no reason to assimilate as they used to when they came from Europe.

We have so many residents here who are on the dole. Why haven’t their residency been removed since they are not supporting themselves?


40 posted on 11/11/2012 8:20:09 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
We have so many residents here who are on the dole. Why haven’t their residency been removed since they are not supporting themselves?

That requirement was effectively removed decades ago when Democrats traded the self-reliance requirement for their damned votes. I brought my wife home in 1976. I SWORE that I'd never let her become a burden on society or go on the dole. I've kept that promise. They, Mexicans, have not. To the contrary, the first thing they look for is a hospital to download their anchor baby and speak only "medicaid" when asked about the bill. God Damn them.

41 posted on 11/11/2012 8:35:57 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

My wife was born in Mexico but is a resident here under Reagan. She is the only one that works and pays taxes in her family.

She has been tapped by her glorious family for her bank account for rent and so called emergencies several times.

She would IMO vote Democrat when she bothers to get her US citizenship, why? She talks like a conservative on most stuff, but as a female she has this taking care of others mentality. Add to that she has a needy family that would starve without USA citizen provided welfare.

Don’t begin to let me tell you how that community often doesn’t work, works UNDER the table or does nothing and files false tax returns for thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars.

Here is how CA goes.
I will take the glorious Mother in-law (my wife’s mom who she also can’t stand) as an example here in CA.

Here 3o years, no English and refuses to get out of the 90001 area because of not paying her rent so often.

Barely works, gets government to give her a free education in cosmetology (which she never gets the license to work for).

Typical 6 kids by 4 dads who never stuck around. Government provided support for the kids.

Three kids at one time in school at a cost of 45k a year due to the bilingual bs.

$600 per child goes to a government provided babysitter so mom can have time off to not work in private.

EBT, WIC, free medical and probably an Obama phone.

Was working, decided she didn’t like working and went back to welfare.

My wife’s oldest sister is an illegal who already had an anchor baby by another illegal. Was jailed for being here, left, returned and found another illegal dad for the newest anchor baby. Born same hospital as my son, but they got no bill but was given a nice car seat, food and support.

My wife’s oldest brother got into using drugs in Mexico and has been here several times. The most recent got him a 5 year prison sentence for being here and the drugs. Just released back to Mexico. Already begging her for money from there. No change, breaks my wife’s heart.

My wife’s two eldest siblings are not residents due to the mother never bothering to file for either. She was lazy and didn’t care.

There is another brother born here who just turned 18 who thanks to the glorious mothering got into drugs and trouble. Mom gave him up to the state 3 years ago. Swat was looking for him at my mother in law’s house months ago, but he fled to family members in Los Angeles on his dad’s side somewhere. He was wanted for assault sending other kid to the hospital and he loves to get high, tag and post stupid crud on face-book.

My wife’s younger sister is in HS now and can’t tell you what 13 minus 9 equals, but they graduated her to HS.

There is a younger brother who is now starting to show all the bad signs of other siblings and may not turn out well.

Mother in law loves booze more than she ever did the kids and had at one point even abandoned my wife as a child in Mexico.

Best thing ever happened to my wife was her mother kicking her out. My wife speaks her mind, is extremely intelligent and is far better off without her mother.

The wife graduated Beverly Hills HS. She is in college now getting good grades and works full time. Hasn’t been on the dole. Yet because he family has such great need her logic will be overwhelmed by her families need and she because of that would vote Democrat.

So, if those that make it here like my wife have family that are all losers, the losers if citizens and those like my wife could vote Democrat for Santa government reasons.
My wife doesn’t want her family to starve and there is no welfare in Mexico, so they all run here.

They say it is because the idea of America is great. IMO stop the dole and see how fast most go home.
That is part of what Romney meant by self deportation.


42 posted on 11/11/2012 9:08:19 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: kronos77

The communists won while Americans smoked pot.
And what party offered free weed for a vote?.


43 posted on 11/11/2012 9:17:27 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: A CA Guy

I can certainly appreciate your circumstances. My wife escaped communism in Czechoslovakia in 1968. She knows what socialism and sloth brings. Both she and I have continually worked since we were younger than 16.

I’m sure you’re aware, but as my wife learned, there are family members that become accustomed to largess oblivious (hers found their boon in West Germany and a long lost German heritage connection going back to WWI entitling them to refugee status and freebies). to the hard work you or your spouse and feel that ‘fortune’ should be spread simply because of blood and fairness.

We won’t survive this if more and more of these leeches are allowed to vote.

Regardless, take heart that your wife is of good heart and works for her own rewards.


44 posted on 11/11/2012 9:23:29 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: GOPsterinMA; StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; ...
BTW, I was out last night in Boston; an AA peddling for change asked me for some, I very loudly replied: “Ask Obama!”

Good for you, FRiend! We've done that a couple of times in the past, but we will make a point to do the same from now on: "Hey, I'm broke ever since Obama became president... ask him for money!"

Also, I'm composing a 'form letter' that I'm going to mail to all charities we've supported over the years. I'm going to inform them that either I'm done sending $$ to the charity, or I have to greatly reduce the amounts that I send. I'm telling the truth - this disgusting election has literally made us poorer on a number of levels.

There are a few veterans' charities that I intend to keep giving to, but the amounts will be drastically reduced.

It's going to go something like this...

"Due to the 2012 elections, both federal and here in Connecticut, we can no longer afford to support your charity in the manner we have in past years. We are facing job layoffs, a 30% increase in our health care premiums, gas prices have doubled since 2009, and grocery prices are through the roof, etc. The American people had a clear choice in the 2012 election to choose prosperity over the status quo. We feel the American people made a poor choice..."

I need to fine-tune what I want to say, but I WILL be sending this letter to every charity we support, or that mails literature to us. It may cost me a few bucks in postage, but I don't care.

This past election made me a meaner, less charitable person... so be it. Eff the Obama voters... I wish nothing but misery upon them.

45 posted on 11/11/2012 1:09:16 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: GOPsterinMA; StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; ...
BTW, I was out last night in Boston; an AA peddling for change asked me for some, I very loudly replied: “Ask Obama!”

Good for you, FRiend! We've done that a couple of times in the past, but we will make a point to do the same from now on: "Hey, I'm broke ever since Obama became president... ask him for money!"

Also, I'm composing a 'form letter' that I'm going to mail to all charities we've supported over the years. I'm going to inform them that either I'm done sending $$ to the charity, or I have to greatly reduce the amounts that I send. I'm telling the truth - this disgusting election has literally made us poorer on a number of levels.

There are a few veterans' charities that I intend to keep giving to, but the amounts will be drastically reduced.

It's going to go something like this...

"Due to the 2012 elections, both federal and here in Connecticut, we can no longer afford to support your charity in the manner we have in past years. We are facing job layoffs, a 30% increase in our health care premiums, gas prices have doubled since 2009, and grocery prices are through the roof, etc. The American people had a clear choice in the 2012 election to choose prosperity over the status quo. We feel the American people made a poor choice..."

I need to fine-tune what I want to say, but I WILL be sending this letter to every charity we support, or that mails literature to us. It may cost me a few bucks in postage, but I don't care.

This past election made me a meaner, less charitable person... so be it. Eff the Obama voters... I wish nothing but misery upon them.

46 posted on 11/11/2012 1:10:21 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: nutmeg

http://obamavoterfraud.blogspot.com/

And here is the reason why. Nothing more need be said, so spread the word! Let’s take back America!


47 posted on 11/11/2012 1:22:44 PM PST by Monkey Face (Please don't take my blanket! I can't face the world unarmed! ~~ Linus)
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To: A CA Guy

I met an INS agent years ago, who had been injured in the Border Wars. He related to me an incident that took place when he had been on the job maybe 12 years. It involved a woman who came across, and come to find out, when she was fighting the agents, that she was pregnant. Deliberately.

This agent, in a fit of patriotism and a feeling of overwhelming injustice, kicked her in the stomach and told her he would not allow her to have an “anchor baby.” While I don’t condone his line of action, I understand it and empathize.

I know ALL of what you related about your wife’s family, and I feel sorry that she is saddled with such a bunch of lazy SOB’s. I am also saddened that she feels the ties to all of them. She most likely needs to practice Tough Love, and tell them all to go back where they came from and stop mooching off of her and the Country she has chosen as her own.

My prayers are with you both.

‘Face

PS: You have given your wife a precious gift, and she has, in turn, given you a son. Do what you can to protect them both, and encourage your wife to “Just Say NO!”


48 posted on 11/11/2012 1:48:00 PM PST by Monkey Face (Please don't take my blanket! I can't face the world unarmed! ~~ Linus)
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To: tobyhill
There is only one reason Obama is President, he offered more “freebies” than Romney and the minorities love it.

He could have preached Ron Paul-style fiscal austerity and the minorities would've voted for him. They're not voting on the issues, they're voting on the feeling that because Obama is a minority, he cares about them because they are minorities. It's identity politics.

Whites were still 72% of the electorate. If a little bit of the 40% of them that voted for Obama voted for Romney, Obama would've lost.

49 posted on 11/11/2012 1:51:19 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: RIGHTWING WACKO FROM MASS.

We could very well see a second American civil war happen wben everything begins to run out.


50 posted on 11/11/2012 2:21:14 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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