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The Petraeus Espionage File
Pajamas Media ^ | 11/11/2012 | Michael Ledeen

Posted on 11/11/2012 6:23:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind

I may have awakened him. The late James Jesus Angleton, once the chief of CIA counterintelligence, sounded kinda groggy to me after I got him–loud and clear!–on my famously untrustworthy ouija board. Of course I have no idea whether he gets to sleep at all. I don’t quite know exactly “where” he is, after all, and he doesn’t answer direct questions on the subject. Anyway, there he was, and I started right in.

ML: So what am I supposed to think about Petraeus?

JJA: That you’re living in a country where espionage is rampant.

ML: Huh?

JJA: Have you read those stories about the “software breakdowns” in the Romney get-out-the-vote program “Orca”?

ML: Sure, it didn’t work, passwords didn’t work, it was a gigantic snafu.

JJA: Uh huh. And has anyone raised the possibility that the Romney organization was penetrated in order to introduce “fatal errors” in their computers?

ML: Actually I don’t believe I’ve seen that in print, although I’m sure somebody must have thought of it.

JJA: I mean, the Obama people know all about Stuxnet, right?

ML: Yes, the killer worm that was fed into the computers that run the centrifuges in the Iranian nuclear program.

JJA: So if politics is war by other means, why shouldn’t they use similar methods in the election?

ML: Haven’t you inverted that? Didn’t Clausewitz say that “war is the continuation of politics by different means”? You’re the literary expert, but still…

JJA: I expected you’d like the inversion. Anyway, “Orca” is a good case for espionage, don’t you think?

ML: Ok, I’ll buy that. But what does it have to do with the Petraeus story?

JJA: Everything. Both are potential espionage stories. On Petraeus, for starters, we’re told that the FBI was investigating some “broader” thing, and they just happened to come across emails between him and her. As if the bureau weren’t running an investigation into Petraeus all along.

ML: Why would they do that?

JJA: Jeez, nobody knows anything any more! (coughing again, he’d probably lit up a Camel). It’s routine. The FBI always monitors the top levels of CIA, especially the director, any time there is reason for them to worry about a national security counterintelligence matter. Everybody in the business knows that. And all they need to open one of those investigations is a complaint, or a tip, from anybody. You can’t imagine how many hours are devoted to checking out anonymous leads. I can give you lots of recent stories about promotions and nominations being held up because some fabulist sent a little whisper across the transom of an inspector general’s office…

ML: And the CIA guys know that? Petraeus knew that?

JJA: Of course. And he also knew what any moderate geek knows, namely that gmail is an open book. Any skilled nerd can read most anybody’s emails. We don’t ever use email here.

ML: You’ve got computers?

JJA: Indeed. What do you think that “cloud” thing is all about anyway? We control it.

ML: I should have known! So Petraeus knew that people were reading, or at least could read, all his passionate emails to his lover.

JJA: Yes. And he knew enough about such matters to realize that when the counterintel people became aware of the affair, the bureau would instantly worry that he could be blackmailed. So they would go back through all his emails, and all hers as well, to everyone.

ML: Just because they were having an affair?

JJA: Unlikely. Most of the time, there’s either evidence, or allegations, that classified information has been compromised. The Intelligence Community, and the national security crowd more broadly, isn’t a model of virtue. CIA has had many cases of top officials sleeping around, sometimes with underlings, sometimes with outsiders. Sometimes the Agency has taken punitive action, sometimes not…

ML: Yeah, I know. And by the way, you know that letter to the New York Times’ “ethicist” from a cuckolded husband that everyone suspected to be about the Petraeus affair? The Times says it wasn’t. So…

JJA: So, if the letter is kosher, there’s another high-level official carrying on an affair. No surprise.

ML: I think that blackmail is not what it used to be. When I had to pass security exams, I was told, for example, that gays could be blackmailed because they were terrified of being outed. But that was in the eighties. I doubt a threat of exposure would be very effective nowadays.

JJA: That’s what I hear, too. So why did the bureau fear Petraeus might be blackmailable?

ML: Right. If someone threatened to expose him, couldn’t he just say “be sure to print the really great pictures”?

JJA: I’d have to know more about his psychology. But I found his “message to the CIA” confession quite amazing. It reminds me of confessions from the Soviet purge trials. It’s one of the most humiliating statements ever. Which baffles me. Why didn’t he just resign?

ML: Indeed. And there’s that odd statement from him, “the president permitted me to resign…”

JJA: As if he couldn’t just turn in his badges and go home.

ML: Maybe that’s where the blackmail comes in.

JJA: Good one! The White House knew about the investigation (the FBI would have briefed Holder, and he would have told the president) for quite a while, but kept him at Langley until the election was over.

ML: Makes sense.

JJA: Sure, but it also suggests that they had some way to keep him on the job, doesn’t it? And that “some way” isn’t loyalty or friendship, because when he went, he went in the most devastatingly damaging way possible.

ML: And you’re saying that’s not his decision, it was imposed on him?

JJA: What do I know? But it sure stinks of that. He wasn’t very masochistic, was he?

ML: Not at all. He was famous, already in the early days in Iraq, for going around with a phalanx of Public Affairs officers squiring him from meeting to meeting. He’s very attentive to his image, and some of his colleagues resented that no end.

JJA: There you go. So he’s not the sort who would be overcome with guilt and driven to make a piteous public confession of sins.

ML: I never met him, but the humiliating confession seemed out of character to me.

JJA: Don’t you love counterintelligence? You start with the theory that he was blackmailed out of office, and you quickly move to a theory that he was blackmailed into remaining in office. That’s why “wilderness of mirrors” is such a good description…

ML: So, if the sex scandal doesn’t work, what could they have used to keep him chained to his desk? Some other scandal? Corruption in Iraq? In Afghanistan?

But he was gone. Maybe back to sleep. Wouldn’t blame him.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: benghazi; davidpetraeus; espionage; kenyanbornmuzzie; michaelledeen; navyseals; paulabroadwell; petraeus; regignation; threatmatrix; threatmatrixbenghazi

1 posted on 11/11/2012 6:24:01 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
I may have awakened him
2 posted on 11/11/2012 6:31:32 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Unbelievable / Believable!)
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To: annieokie; penelopesire; maggief; Protect the Bill of Rights; thouworm; SE Mom; Nachum; onyx; ...
Wake up and smell the ruses...

Anyone wanting on or off this ping list, please advise.


Benghazi Index

3 posted on 11/11/2012 6:38:28 AM PST by MestaMachine
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To: SeekAndFind

You know...I think this would make a mighty fine movie script. For the general...I’d suggest Bruce Willis, and for the tramp/journalist...maybe Lindsay Lohan? For the FBI agent who puts this together...maybe Jerry Stiller (Arthur from King of Queens).


4 posted on 11/11/2012 6:46:57 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: MestaMachine

Please add me, thanks!


5 posted on 11/11/2012 6:47:10 AM PST by COUNTrecount (Clear eyes. Full hearts. Can't fail .But We Did.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It seems to me that Petraeus should be committing “suicide” any time now....


6 posted on 11/11/2012 6:58:13 AM PST by freebilly
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Petraeus? Petraeus?

?????
...The same petraeus Admiral Fallon called nasty names back a few years ago???

Hmmm,,,,

Semper watching!
*****


7 posted on 11/11/2012 6:58:13 AM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Congats, I gave you your first view.


8 posted on 11/11/2012 6:59:19 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: SeekAndFind

James Angelton, a tough SOB, was involved in the humiliation of someone that was connected to Obama through the Kevin Bacon game.

He was ruthless in achieving his goals.
The Jessup clan was involved with American University in Beirut.

Jessup was buddies with Dean Acheson and vouched for Alger Hiss. He was also related through marriage to Obama’s New York Girlfriend.

Angleton humiliated Stephen Penrose (eventually President of American University in Beirut)

in a Super Spy machiavellian game that nearly sent him off the Deep End.

Penrose is the one that recruited Wisner - of Operation Mockingbird fame.

This has nothing to do with the current story. But it shows the games that can be played between the players

I believe that William Colby was murdered.

David Petraeus is just lucky someone didn’t try to kill him.


9 posted on 11/11/2012 7:01:29 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: freebilly

Suicide is possible, perhaps on the jog through Fort Marcy Park???


10 posted on 11/11/2012 7:08:11 AM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Mouton

Suicide while jogging sounds about right....


11 posted on 11/11/2012 7:09:48 AM PST by freebilly
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12 posted on 11/11/2012 7:19:38 AM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: SeekAndFind

If we’re talking reality, fine, we need an in-your face uprising... if we’re talking fantasy world wishful thinking, just stop... if we’re talking movie plot, just write the script and make the damn movie already.


13 posted on 11/11/2012 7:21:29 AM PST by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: RummyChick

“David Petraeus is just lucky someone didn’t try to kill him.”

...and succeed.

Yet.

Ditto for Rear Admiral Charles M. Gaouette, US Army General Carter Ham, Brigadier General Jeffery A. Sinclair, and US Navy Commander Joseph E. Darlak.

Rafael Prieto, well, dead men tell no tales.

But the Office of the Presidency is preserved as pristine, right?


14 posted on 11/11/2012 7:22:51 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I take it the sex scandal worked perfectly well as blackmail—up until they wanted him to perjure himself to Congress.


15 posted on 11/11/2012 7:27:45 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: gunnyg
The same petraeus Admiral Fallon called nasty names back a few years ago???

According to the MSM Fallon called him an a$$ kissing chicken chit. Fallon said he'd never call anybody that. He never uses those words. He might have called him an A-H though.

16 posted on 11/11/2012 7:36:30 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: SeekAndFind

Did Israel Honey Trap David Petraeus?

November 9th, 2012 | Author: Patriot

With the breaking news on General Petraeus (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/cia-chief-petraeus-resigns-reportedly-over-affair-201305343–politics.html) you might be interested in taking a look at the Mondoweiss.net link (at the following New Statesman article) which broke the story about email exchanges with David Petraeus which US mainstream media ignored as well (as also mentioned on Press TV via http://tinyurl.com/proisraelbiasedmedia & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEtASJOjDU8).


17 posted on 11/11/2012 7:38:12 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Tagline space for rent to pay for some of my extra taxes the next 4 years!)
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To: ladyjane

I should have added. That was dis-information. Petraeus wanted Fallon’s job as head of CENTOM. He was furious that Bush had appointed a Navy guy.

Too bad they didn’t keep Fallon. He is very straight and they’d never have this kind of scandal with him.


18 posted on 11/11/2012 7:40:56 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: SeekAndFind

Petraeus is 60. He didn’t grow up with computers.


19 posted on 11/11/2012 7:43:41 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

But he grew up in the Cold War Era and should have known all about Honey Traps.


20 posted on 11/11/2012 7:47:34 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, Obama could blackmail him. I saw the Broadwell interview on the Stewart Show. One of the last things she says before the commercial break is that Petraeus isn’t a strategic thinker. He had a good reputation with the public and he’s not a strategic thinker and he’s slavishly loyal to his superiors. Just what Obama wanted. And the CIA is tasked to look at what’s going on outside the United States. Now, if you’re Obama, and you’re setting the Middle East on fire for fun and profit, you’d better make sure to have someone you can control in charge of the agency who just might discover your dirty little secret. Obama was blackmailing Petraeus and it was easy as fishin’.


21 posted on 11/11/2012 7:55:17 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ladyjane

Thank you...

could be the same petraeus who fired Col Lawrence Sellin too...who knows, huh???


22 posted on 11/11/2012 7:59:51 AM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: SeekAndFind; sickoflibs; Liz; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Travis McGee; Scoutmaster

Ping a ling a ling... to the wilderness of mirrors....

ML: Just because they were having an affair?

JJA: Unlikely. Most of the time, there’s either evidence, or allegations, that classified information has been compromised. The Intelligence Community, and the national security crowd more broadly, isn’t a model of virtue. CIA has had many cases of top officials sleeping around, sometimes with underlings, sometimes with outsiders. Sometimes the Agency has taken punitive action, sometimes not…

ML: Yeah, I know. And by the way, you know that letter to the New York Times’ “ethicist” from a cuckolded husband that everyone suspected to be about the Petraeus affair? The Times says it wasn’t. So…

JJA: So, if the letter is kosher, there’s another high-level official carrying on an affair. No surprise.

ML: I think that blackmail is not what it used to be. When I had to pass security exams, I was told, for example, that gays could be blackmailed because they were terrified of being outed. But that was in the eighties. I doubt a threat of exposure would be very effective nowadays.

JJA: That’s what I hear, too. So why did the bureau fear Petraeus might be blackmailable?

ML: Right. If someone threatened to expose him, couldn’t he just say “be sure to print the really great pictures”?

JJA: I’d have to know more about his psychology. But I found his “message to the CIA” confession quite amazing. It reminds me of confessions from the Soviet purge trials. It’s one of the most humiliating statements ever. Which baffles me. Why didn’t he just resign?

ML: Indeed. And there’s that odd statement from him, “the president permitted me to resign…”

JJA: As if he couldn’t just turn in his badges and go home.

ML: Maybe that’s where the blackmail comes in.

JJA: Good one! The White House knew about the investigation (the FBI would have briefed Holder, and he would have told the president) for quite a while, but kept him at Langley until the election was over.

ML: Makes sense.

JJA: Sure, but it also suggests that they had some way to keep him on the job, doesn’t it? And that “some way” isn’t loyalty or friendship, because when he went, he went in the most devastatingly damaging way possible.

ML: And you’re saying that’s not his decision, it was imposed on him?

JJA: What do I know? But it sure stinks of that. He wasn’t very masochistic, was he?


23 posted on 11/11/2012 8:05:06 AM PST by GOPJ (New York Times Slogan : "We rewrite Democrat Press Releases Better!")
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To: freebilly
It seems to me that Petraeus should be committing “suicide” any time now...

I think they're going to parade him around for a while longer - make him the 'hero' of the left. Then slowly as it dawns on him that he's up to his eyeballs in lies and that there's no way out - they'll start the squeeze. Very Russian - almost Bulgarian in cruelty. If he was smart - really smart - he would go to Rush Limbaugh, and on live radio - tell the truth. My question is: was the information about Petraeus used to keep Romney from talking about Benghazi?

John Kerry? Of course we're all just guessing...

24 posted on 11/11/2012 8:19:02 AM PST by GOPJ (New York Times Slogan : "We rewrite Democrat Press Releases Better!")
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To: GOPJ

Petraeus confession: like something from a ‘Soviet purge trial’....


25 posted on 11/11/2012 8:25:40 AM PST by GOPJ (Petraeus confession: like something from a 'Soviet purge trial'....)
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To: GOPJ

“Look, the FBI guys, they promised me a deal. So, so I made up a lot of stuff about Michael Corleone ‘cause that’s what they wanted. But it was all lies. Uh, everything. And I kept saying Michael Corleone did this and Michael Corleone did that. So, I said yeah sure — why not?”


26 posted on 11/11/2012 8:27:31 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: RummyChick

I agree. The point I was trying to make is that he might not be all that smart about computers.


27 posted on 11/11/2012 8:45:50 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

“I agree. The point I was trying to make is that he might not be all that smart about computers.”

Well, as CIA Director he should have understood security.


29 posted on 11/11/2012 9:43:47 AM PST by ElayneJ
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To: angelsonmyside

http://www.eutimes.net/2012/11/us-secret-service-agent-suicided-to-protect-obama-election/

Maybe he didn’t commit suicide, rather that he “was suicided”


30 posted on 11/11/2012 9:51:01 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: SeekAndFind

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/did-petraeus-mistress-reveal-secret-cia-prison/


31 posted on 11/11/2012 10:04:48 AM PST by bitt (The buck rolls downhill.)
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To: RummyChick

He hasn’t been subpoeaned yet.......He can still do an Admiral Borda!!


32 posted on 11/11/2012 10:07:59 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: RummyChick

He hasn’t been subpoeaned yet.......He can still do an Admiral Borda!!


33 posted on 11/11/2012 10:08:23 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: ElayneJ

He didn’t come from the CIA world. I keep trying to tell people that he’s really not that smart. Think of the medical world. What would it look like if you advanced to the top by being skinny and a good runner? The skinny good runners would run the smart people off. Other than having a bachelors degree, Army Officers don’t have to show any kind of intellect to get promoted. Now, if you get fat or can’t run fast enough, you get kicked out. What does that leave you? Fast skinny people who are afraid of smart people. Now, do you understand why we’re fighting in Afghanistan for 11 years with no victory? Petraeus went out running every morning when he was in Afghanistan. He’s not that smart.


34 posted on 11/11/2012 10:18:34 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: WildHighlander57

“Maybe he didn’t commit suicide, rather that he “was suicided”

I found that interesting as well.


35 posted on 11/11/2012 10:58:00 AM PST by angelsonmyside (Someone please send the Loser in Chief a "President For Dummy's" book.)
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To: blueunicorn6

Are you seriously suggesting that he was promoted to the rank of 4-star general because he was a runner? Or that runners are stupid? Are you speaking metaphorically? I don’t know what you mean.


36 posted on 11/11/2012 12:09:01 PM PST by ElayneJ
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To: ElayneJ

Have you ever been in the US Army?


37 posted on 11/11/2012 1:24:46 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ElayneJ

Just read where Broadwell, a Reserve Lieutenant Colonel, has a 13% body fat and regularly runs 6-8 miles.


38 posted on 11/11/2012 1:57:42 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: RummyChick

call it an HP, and everyone will assume computer.


39 posted on 11/11/2012 2:03:38 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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