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Did the Election Save ObamaCare?
RealityBatsLast.com ^ | November 10, 2012 | Bryce Buchanan

Posted on 11/11/2012 6:51:49 AM PST by Alex Baker

In an imaginary world, government does things efficiently and economically. In that world, you would want government to provide health care.

In the real world, politicians cobbled together a monstrous piece of legislation called Obamacare, with a structure that cannot possibly be efficient or economical.

John C. Goodman at Townhall.com has a superb analysis of what Obamacare will do when reality comes up to bat.

If you read this at the source, you will see links to other supporting information. John Goodman:

The morning after Tuesday’s vote, there is one thing every commentator agreed on. The election of Barack Obama guaranteed that his signature piece of legislation — health reform — can now go forward. Republicans are powerless to stop it.

Yet there is something all these commentators are overlooking. There are six major flaws in ObamaCare. They are so serious that the Democrats are going to have to perform major surgery on the legislation in the next few years, even if all the Republicans do is stand by and twiddle their thumbs.

Here is a brief overview.

ObamaCare is not paid for. At least it’s not paid for in any politically realistic way. As is by now well known, the legislation will lower Medicare spending over the next 10 years by $716 billion in order to fund health insurance for young people. This reduction will primarily consist of lower payments to physicians, hospitals and other providers — reductions that are so severe that they will seriously impair access to care for senior citizens.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: healthcare; idiotsdidntvote4mitt; obamacare; taxes
Liberals do not read this website. In the absence of a national press - how do we educate the very ignorant public?? Another sad video about the ignorance of the public here: http://www.realitybatslast.com/2012/11/10/karl-marx-karl-marx-obamaphones-obamaphones/
1 posted on 11/11/2012 6:52:06 AM PST by Alex Baker
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To: Alex Baker
So Obamacare doesn't work. So what. It isn't about health care, it is about power and control. And if the elderly and other vulnerable populations die at a higher rate, that saves money. Funny thing about totalitarian regimes, - they kill people.
2 posted on 11/11/2012 7:00:18 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Truth29

There are currently over 40 lawsuits against Obamacare by the Catholic church alone.


3 posted on 11/11/2012 7:04:16 AM PST by mgist
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To: mgist

This administration spits on the Catholic Church and Christians in general. One more SCOTUS appointee...and so will the Court.


4 posted on 11/11/2012 7:09:27 AM PST by kjo (+)
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To: Alex Baker

Liberal elites are going to destroy the country. If we try to stop them we’ll fail.

The only thing to accomplish by trying to stop them is their butt boys at the New York Times and Washington Post will have conservatives to blame.

It time to let citizens know who they really are... let them have their way. Every city will start becoming Detroit or Chicago. Crime, hopelessness and poverty... In four years the useful and not so useful idiots will be ready for change.


5 posted on 11/11/2012 7:09:59 AM PST by GOPJ (New York Times Slogan : "We rewrite Democrat Press Releases Better!")
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To: mgist

hence the dilemma. the catholic health association was a HUGE supporter of obamacare. there is a very liberal wing of the church that is in conflict with the bishops. the american hospital association supported obamacare. they are controled by a liberal board as well. ladies and gentlemen, we are simply screwed, unless we keep electing folks who will defund obamacare and repeal it no matter how long it takes. the bill is pure poison. have a nice day. the very people who supported are buffoons.


6 posted on 11/11/2012 7:13:53 AM PST by dreamerintexas
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To: Alex Baker

Yes it did, if that f******g idiot Boehner is left in power as Speaker of the House.


7 posted on 11/11/2012 7:15:34 AM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: kjo

“This administration spits on the Catholic Church and Christians in general. One more SCOTUS appointee...and so will the Court.”

Isn’t it true that the majority fallen away Catholic vote went for obama? Why should he care about what the Catholic Church wants? The “Catholics” have empowered him against Christian religion.


8 posted on 11/11/2012 7:17:47 AM PST by Bluebird Singing
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To: Truth29

“So Obamacare doesn’t work. So what. It isn’t about health care, it is about power and control”.

And $$ for those who are wired into the corruptocracy.

The taxpayer $$ lost to Obama’s green energy rip-off scams will be a drop in the bucket in relation to the scamming that Obamacare will unleash.


9 posted on 11/11/2012 7:18:50 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: kjo

The Court could be dealt with in one fell swoop if there were the political will to accomplish the deed.


10 posted on 11/11/2012 7:22:25 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: GOPJ
Umm the dems campaign still did an excellent job on blaming Bush for this economy. The Bush boogey-man tactic will work for the next several election cycles since the meme will be “Bush and Republicans irresponsible policies forced our hand.” This is the tactic you get when a political Party fails to defend itself, lol.

The problem is not Obama/dems voting base, the problems are Republican advisers who want to play “it” soft, compromised candidates (Moderates who do not offer any contrasting platforms on fiscal responsibility), and conservative Republican candidates eating themselves up during the primary. Conservative Repubs need to put ego and power whoring aside and pick the best candidate with the cleanest record and cunning as a hungry wolf. There are millions of untapped voters out there and millions more who are on a fragile fence who held their nose and voted for dems, they can be swayed with a candidate who inspires (Without all that hypocrisy).
11 posted on 11/11/2012 7:22:27 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Alex Baker

Obamacare is the 1st stage in the move to single payer. The flaws in Obamacare are there to bring that about.

We have no hope to stop it because we do not have any power. We are not going to get any power anymore either.

The ballot box is no longer viable. Yes, we will win a few seats here and there, but they won’t let us win enough to change what is on the horizon.

Lets face it. I read about the people who fought the first war, we just are not cut out of that cloth anymore. We have always known it was coming, but as with everything, the can just gets kicked down the road and we wait for results in the next phony election.


12 posted on 11/11/2012 7:24:09 AM PST by dforest
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To: rollo tomasi

no, the problem is a failure of political will ~ by the GOP-e. As we told them repeatedly, Romney can’t win and he didn’t


13 posted on 11/11/2012 7:24:10 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Alex Baker

If a man steals your car does the car belong to him?

If a man steals your Social Security number does the number belong to him?

If a man steals your vote does it belong to him?

If a man steals a presidential election does the presidency belong to him?


14 posted on 11/11/2012 7:24:10 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Strange how paranoia can link up with reality now and then." -- Philip K. Dick)
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To: Alex Baker

boner will support it. just watch him.


15 posted on 11/11/2012 7:27:17 AM PST by dalebert
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To: muawiyah
"...failure of political will ~ by the GOP-e"

Lol, I believed I described that but let some details fall; How can you win with a Presidential candidate that has a record of expanding bureaucratic programs (Calling for fiscal sanity) along with a VP candidate who begs for stimulus cash while denouncing the stimulus (Calling for fiscal sanity), lol? How can you win when advisers worry about being called insensitive when unmercifully attacking an opponent in the opposite Party (Racists, can;t formulate a defense with the Bush economy, etc...)? And we still wonder why 40+% of eligible voters stay home.
16 posted on 11/11/2012 7:34:30 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: dalebert
boner will support it. just watch him.

Yep, just like the good little serf that he is.

17 posted on 11/11/2012 7:35:24 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Alex Baker

No. Chief Justice Roberts saved Obamacare


18 posted on 11/11/2012 7:40:19 AM PST by RonnG
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To: Alex Baker

During the presidential campaign, Ron Paul was asked whether the Republicans would succeed in overturning Obamacare.

Paul said: I don’t know about that, but regardless, Obamacare will be overturned by the laws of economics.

One can pretty much extend that to the entire cradle to grave welfare state now reignant in the West (as Europe is sadly discovering).

The difference is this: overturning Obamacare by legislation or court ruling would have been quick and painless. The gradual unraveling of the law due to its own errors and contradictions will be long and painful.


19 posted on 11/11/2012 7:55:23 AM PST by NKStarr
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To: RonnG
No. Chief Justice Roberts saved Obamacare

Absolutely. Even if Romney won we would have been stuck with some kind of an unconstitutional health care bill just with a different name.

20 posted on 11/11/2012 8:09:38 AM PST by Wiggins
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To: dforest
"Obamacare is the 1st stage in the move to single payer."

Even if Romney had prevailed in the election and the GOP had won control of the Senate, the law would have not been repealed. Tweaked maybe, but not repealed. As others in this thread have so aptly pointed out, the law is not about health care but rather money, power, and control by whatever ever party happens to be in office.

21 posted on 11/11/2012 8:23:09 AM PST by buckalfa (Nabob of Negativity)
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To: rollo tomasi
Umm the dems campaign still did an excellent job on blaming Bush for this economy...

Wrong.

Dems could have hired a monkey and put a sign around his neck saying, "It's Bush's Fault" and the MSM would have run with it. Dems don't have to do an "excellent job' any more than the teacher's pet has to do an excellent job. Do you think the 'favored child' of narcissistic hateful parents has 'earned' the revered spot?

Were you born yesterday?

The boys at the New York Times don't have to be 'convinced' they've got their Obama knee pads on, their mouths are open and their eyes are closed...

22 posted on 11/11/2012 8:32:48 AM PST by GOPJ (Petraeus confession: like something from a 'Soviet purge trial'....)
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To: buckalfa

I don’t know what would have happened if Romney was elected.I think he would have overturned Obamacare. What would it have been replaced with? I don’t know.

But, the people responsible for this mess also, are we conservatives. We had candidates willing to step up and we demonized and shot them all down. We aided and abetted the MSM in the destruction of our own.

It was shameful, Who ever steps up next time is really wasting their time and energy. First place, they would have to be working at it yesterday. They can’t beat a dem machine with no big backing of money and national support. It is one thing to have people like you and what you say, but if you can’t put together a machine as Reagan did between the 1st time when he lost and the second time he ran. You lose.

It is impossible to fight the dem hate ads with no money. It is going to take even longer to come up with a billion now. Let’s also not forget that with amnesty and an open border, our chances are very slim to impossible. Even if we kowtow and let amnesty pass, they will vote for the free loot.

This Obamacare is gonna be a real hoot. They will be coming across that border in droves. I am no longer young. The more that come, the sooner Obamacare will force my death.


23 posted on 11/11/2012 8:43:19 AM PST by dforest
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To: GOPJ
Please get away from your echo chambers and actually talk to a wide range of individuals, thus hear what they are saying about GWB and the current state of the economy.

Also look at the final election results. Team Obama did a masterful job in conning intellectual barbarians and the leecher class (Because they won and deflected blame, duh) on the "Bush problem" Republicans failed to nip in the bud.
24 posted on 11/11/2012 9:00:27 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: dforest

I don’t think so. He was quite busy embracing enough of it, that it would’ve survived in large part. He was not a small government politician.


25 posted on 11/11/2012 10:05:43 AM PST by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: WriteOn

I actually do belive he would have overturned Obamacare. I am not certain what it would have been replaced with.

Obamacare is a nightmare that really hasn’t unfolded to full bloom yet.

My bro in law says that that is really how Obama won. He thinks that people have yet to see how bad it is and the pain involved. Actually, the O admin put off until after the election many other horrors. Some we know about, others we don’t.

The Obamaphone gal type? She don’t know and don’t care. LOL
Obama knew he could offer a crappy phone or something to that type and they would get to the polls, legal voter or not.


26 posted on 11/11/2012 10:16:54 AM PST by dforest
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To: dforest
I share your despair but all is not necessarily lost. Yes we did not win the election but it was by no means a blow out. The demographic situation has not yet reached an irreversible tipping point. And, as Pogo said in the cartoon strip, "we have met the enemy and he are us."

The Affordable Care Act in its origins was a product of a conservative think tank. The last immigration amnesty was on Reagan's watch. Banking deregulation, championed by conservatives, had unintended consequences which brought us to the brink of total collapse in 2008 and opened the door for Obama's election. A GOP congress spent like drunken sailors. The GOP aided and abetted TARP and the Stimulus. Finally, we eat our own if they do not meet certain standards of purity of thought.

I do not know what the answer is, but there is four years left to find the answer with God's guidance.

27 posted on 11/11/2012 11:49:20 AM PST by buckalfa (Nabob of Negativity)
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To: Alex Baker

Romney was the grandfather of Obamacare. There’s no way he would have dismantled it. Regardless of who won, Obamacare was going to stay in place.


28 posted on 11/11/2012 2:43:35 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Bluebird Singing
The “Catholics” have empowered him against Christian religion.

Recheck the stats, oh divisive one, and find that it was 'hispanic' Catholics who voted for Obama, not the 'non-hispanic' Catholics.

Which would mean the balance of his votes were Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, atheist, or other...

I can't stress the inherent stupidity in alienating those who are easy to paint with a broad brush but who are ardently fighting the Kenyan, and that includes faithful Catholics nationwide.

29 posted on 11/11/2012 11:44:38 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Sorry, I know white Catholics who voted for him.


30 posted on 11/12/2012 3:10:06 AM PST by Bluebird Singing
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To: Bluebird Singing
Maybe some did. I am sure the likes of Teddy Kennedy would have. Maybe union members, but don't paint all Catholics with that brush.

No FAITHFUL Catholic (opposes the "contraception" including RU-486 and abortion mandates in Obamacare, opposes "gay marriage") would.

That may leave some people who call themselves "Catholic" who did, but three out of four whites who claim to be Catholics did not.

In the end, I'd bet there were far more nominal Protestants who voted for Obama.

31 posted on 11/12/2012 3:33:46 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Notice in my first post, I said “fallen away” and I did not paint all Catholics with one brush. I respect faithful Catholics tremendously.


32 posted on 11/12/2012 4:55:17 AM PST by Bluebird Singing
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