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Real World Economics: Data on federal government show sky isn't falling
pioneer press ^ | 11-11-12 | ed lotterman

Posted on 11/11/2012 8:12:16 AM PST by TurboZamboni

Yes, the federal government is growing, as measured by its outlays of money. However, if one compares these to the size of the overall economy, the increases are less dramatic than many claim.

Total federal outlays during the first three fiscal years of the Obama administration averaged 24 percent of Gross Domestic Product, or GDP, which measures the value of all final goods and services produced in our economy. That was an all-time high.

But 30 years ago, during the first three fiscal years of the Reagan administration, they averaged 22.5 percent. Whether an increase of 1.5 percentage points over three decades really represents out-of-control growth of government is a subjective question readers must decide for themselves, but it doesn't particularly alarm me...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cliff; data; debt; spending
Ed whistling past the graveyard.
1 posted on 11/11/2012 8:12:24 AM PST by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

Let the skyfall
When it crumbles
We will stand tall
Face it all together
At skyfall
At skyfall


2 posted on 11/11/2012 8:14:46 AM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: TurboZamboni

Nothing to see here. Just move on and go about your business. Everything will be fine.


3 posted on 11/11/2012 8:22:01 AM PST by jimbobfoster
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To: TurboZamboni

So as Reagan first implemented his policies and the economy was still terrible with high unemployment low growth terrible interest rates and malaise.

The question is where it was in the 25 years between 1983 and 2007. That’s when we had a prosperous society.

C,pare the economic numbers in Reagan’s 4th year and Obama’s 4th year and you see the difference.


4 posted on 11/11/2012 8:22:01 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: TurboZamboni

Well, in that case there is no ‘fiscal cliff’ and Boehner can wear the balls he seems to use when he talks to the GOP during his meetings with the rats.


5 posted on 11/11/2012 8:22:48 AM PST by ABQHispConservative
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To: jimbobfoster

Gross: US fiscal cliff deeper than advertised. Its a Grand Canyon. Washington will defer entitlement cuts & raise revenues only marginally.— PIMCO (@PIMCO) November 11, 2012


6 posted on 11/11/2012 8:24:08 AM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: TurboZamboni

The problem with government dweebs who purport to be Kenysians, is they never finished the book where it said after an economy responded to stimulus, you need to pay down the debt—so you could do it again. Instead, when the revenues soared in the past, we just spent it.

Stupid fools.


7 posted on 11/11/2012 8:24:54 AM PST by Vermont Lt (The dude abides.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Greece just didn’t do it correctly. /s


8 posted on 11/11/2012 8:27:08 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: TurboZamboni
As a portion of the labor force, federal employment has fallen by half, from 3.7 percent to 1.8 percent.

This article is a veritable dart board. Remember when the main benefit of federal employment was "the benefits," and they were "sacrificing income?" Look again.

9 posted on 11/11/2012 8:29:11 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: TurboZamboni

What Ed neglects to tell you is Reagan’s increases were for a defense buildup that eventually led to the peace dividends of reduced defense spending in later years. And defense spending can be controlled so that it does not grow like topsy. Obama’s were for increasing social spending and introducing new social programs that are uncontrollable and only result in snowballing spending.Obama’s spending has planted the seeds of systemic destruction. Reagan’s did not. And even then Obama still outspent Reagan as a percent of GDP.


10 posted on 11/11/2012 8:34:01 AM PST by chuckee
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To: TurboZamboni
Nope, nothing to worry about at all.

On top of the totally out of control federal government, there are the out of control state and local governments as well. When I moved to California, our sales tax was about 3%. Today it's almost 10%.

But, hey! Do I worry? Nah, because our Overlords are the best and brightest and they know how I should live my life better than I do.

11 posted on 11/11/2012 8:36:16 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SpaceBar
Greece just didn’t do it correctly.

That's because our "best and brightest" are much better and brighter than their best and brightest.

12 posted on 11/11/2012 8:38:12 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: jimbobfoster
Lets see.... 16+trillion dollar national debt, 100+trillion dollar unfunded liabilities, 1.1+trillion dollar yearly deficit and 1 quadrillion dollars in derivatives. And if the banks were to put up 3.5% reserves to back these derivatives as being proposed, that would require their scrapping up another 35 trillion dollars, which I think is more money than is available in the world.

Naw, I agree, nothing to worry about.

13 posted on 11/11/2012 8:38:46 AM PST by The Old Commander (Anyone who voted for Obama did so to steal from the productive class.)
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To: gusopol3

What those number really tell us is the government got in the business of contracting out it’s labor force. The ratio of people paid by the government verses the private sector is meaningless without looking at the dollars spent.


14 posted on 11/11/2012 8:40:36 AM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: TurboZamboni

Whistling past the graveyard in Communist MN.


15 posted on 11/11/2012 8:45:40 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: TurboZamboni

Heh. Ed Lotterman, shill for Obamugabe.

Okay, Ed, things are just freakin’ peachy, ain’t they?

Reagan’s government grew, IIRC, by an increase in our weakened national defense (thank you Jimmy Carter). Obamugabe’s growth is coming by an increase in the welfare state.

Ed seems to like comparing apples and oranges.


16 posted on 11/11/2012 8:57:01 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: ilgipper
C,pare the economic numbers in Reagan’s 4th year and Obama’s 4th year and you see the difference.

Maybe the right comparison will be Obama's 6th year to Reagan's 4th year in order to account for the greater severity of the recession Obama inherited.

17 posted on 11/11/2012 8:58:27 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: TurboZamboni

The only thing to remember is that we’re borrowing money to pay interest and principal on our existing debt.


18 posted on 11/11/2012 9:02:50 AM PST by garbanzo (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine)
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To: TurboZamboni
But 30 years ago, during the first three fiscal years of the Reagan administration, they averaged 22.5 percent. Whether an increase of 1.5 percentage points over three decades really represents out-of-control growth of government is a subjective question readers must decide for themselves, but it doesn't particularly alarm me..

The author claims two things, that Reagan did it(high spending), and that it(high spending) isn't alarming.

The author is wrong on both counts.

Tip O'Neill and his Democrat Congress were a big part of that 22.5% of GDP spending.

Federal debt as a percentage of GDP 30 years ago was in the low thirties. I believe it's now over 100%..

I would guess that the only thing that would "alarm" the author Ed Lotterman, is a tight collar.


19 posted on 11/11/2012 9:05:02 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Fzob

That’s a good point. It would be interesting to see that same number including govt contractors. I work for the govt and in my organization contractors outnumber govt employees by at least 3 to 1. For a given project there’s usually a government lead who calls the shots and then there’s a bunch of contractors under him who do the bulk of the work. It actually works really well and we’ve got a good relationship with our contractors who do excellent work. But there’s no doubt that you’re not seeing the whole picture if you’re only looking at the govt side of things.


20 posted on 11/11/2012 9:07:26 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: txrefugee

He’s Ed LottoBS.


21 posted on 11/11/2012 9:12:58 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

Life’s great as long as you can borrow money.


22 posted on 11/11/2012 9:13:15 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: TurboZamboni

If the sky isn’t falling then why are the economic numbers falling?


23 posted on 11/11/2012 9:19:33 AM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: TurboZamboni

Jeez... it’s hard to find adequate adjectives to describe how stupid this “analysis” is.

Our tax revenues have collapsed to less than 15% of GDP - meaning, we have a 9% of GDP deficit.

That’s IF we had a budget, which we don’t.

That also ignores the fact that now that the Boomers are shifting to SS/Medicare in large numbers, the deficit is about to grow upwards at rates previously unseen.

And then there’s the time bomb to end all time bombs on the budget: the interest on the debt. The Federal Reserve has crushed interest rates to absurdly low levels, and the US Treasury has responded by rolling more and more debt into the short end of the yield curve. This means that when interest rates finally go upwards again, the interest costs on the national debt portfolio will explode upwards in a very short period of time, because the Treasury will have to roll the vast majority of the debt within 7 years.


24 posted on 11/11/2012 9:22:04 AM PST by NVDave
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To: TurboZamboni

The Fed has either lied or been so incompetant... that not a single economic predictor that they publish has been correct... and they know it... and we know it... and they know that we know it... but being progressives... they will lie until the very end... even while burning in the pits of hell.

LLS


25 posted on 11/11/2012 9:30:42 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (I AM JOHN GALT)
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To: ilgipper
Agree. This is the most juvenile cherry picking I've seen in awhile. What the heck is the point, anyway--it 's OK that spending is at an all time high and growing?
26 posted on 11/11/2012 9:33:28 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: TurboZamboni
Dear Ed (elotterman@pioneerpress.com),

We're talking about you here --> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2958262/posts

27 posted on 11/11/2012 9:36:26 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Fzob

That’s very true; I hear that even in the Dem bastions of local government around here.


28 posted on 11/11/2012 10:48:04 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: TurboZamboni

Pioneer Press Marxist cheerleaders will wait for a communist revolution before sounding the alarm; and then it’ll only be to herald the complete government takeover of every aspect of the American economy and American life.

There’s simply no possible way to sugarcoat it - the United States is rolling toward a cliff and no one intends to stop it.


29 posted on 11/11/2012 11:44:42 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: TurboZamboni
during the first three fiscal years of the Reagan administration, they averaged 22.5 percent

Yeah, and we were in a recession then, too.

Fun with statistics!

30 posted on 11/11/2012 2:07:50 PM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: BfloGuy

homelessness,scandals, recessions...none of that matters as long a Dem is pres.


31 posted on 11/11/2012 2:11:40 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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