Skip to comments.Prepare for Demise of California; Liberals Will Get All the Government (and Tax Hikes) They Want
Posted on 11/11/2012 8:27:52 AM PST by Kaslin
On Tuesday voters in California went the wrong way on three propositions.
The main check on Sacramento excess has been a constitutional amendment requiring a two-thirds majority of both houses to raise taxes. Although Republicans have been in the minority for four decades, they could impose a modicum of spending restraint by blocking tax increases. If Democratic leads stick in two races where ballots are still being counted, liberals will pick up enough seats to secure a supermajority. Governor Jerry Brown then will be the only chaperone for the Liberals Gone Wild video that is Sacramento.
The high Democratic turnout in moderate and right-leaning districts helped the party pick up three seats in the senate and four in the assembly.
So now Californians will experience the joys of one-party, union-run progressive governance. Mr. Brown is urging lawmakers to demonstrate frugality and the "prudence of Joseph." As he said the other day, "we've got to make sure over the next few years that we pay our bills, we invest in the right programs, but we don't go on any spending binges." That's what all Governors say. Trouble is, merely paying the state's delinquent bills will require tens of billions in additional revenues if lawmakers don't undertake fiscal reforms.
With no GOP restraint, liberals can now raise taxes to pay for all this. [$200 billion in unfunded liabilities, the California State Teachers' Retirement System in need of $10 billion annually for the next 30 years to amortize its debt, $73 billion in outstanding bonds for capital projects and $33 billion in voter-authorized bonds, etc.]
They'll probably start by repealing Proposition 13's tax cap for commercial property. Democrats in the Assembly held hearings on the idea this spring. Then they'll try to make it easier for cities to raise taxes.
The greens want an oil severance tax. Other Democrats want to extend the sales tax to services, supposedly in return for a lower rate, but don't expect any "reform" to be revenue neutral. Look for huge union pay raises and higher pension benefits.
The silver lining here is that Americans will be able to see the modern liberal-union state in all its raw ambition. The Sacramento political class thinks it can tax and regulate the private economy endlessly without consequence. As a political experiment it all should be instructive, and at least Californians can still escape to Nevada or Idaho.
Law of the Funnel in Action
Big government and absurdly strong unions destroyed Greece and Spain. Expect no less for California.
Many large California corporations that can flee, will flee. Those stuck in California will see massive tax hikes (with many more to come) just so public unions and administrators can collect absurdly high salaries and benefits that most citizens can only dream about.
Please see the Law of the Funnel for a description as to what just happened.
Here is a headline news story that I found interesting for reasons I will explain following: Economists cut U.S. Q4 growth forecasts.
Economists expect the economy to grow at an annual rate of 1.8 percent in the current quarter, down from the previous estimate of 2.2 percent growth, according to the Philadelphia Federal Reserve's fourth-quarter survey of 39 forecasters.Given exports were recently revised up and imports revised lowered, I expected economists to think GDP would come in higher. It would have been interesting to see their reasons. Hurricane Sandy perhaps?
While that left estimates for gross domestic product for the year unchanged at 2.2 percent, growth in 2013 looked modestly weaker with economists forecasting 2 percent, down from 2.1 percent.
Over the next three quarters, growth was seen averaging 2.1 percent, down from earlier expectations of 2.2 percent.
The unemployment rate was forecast to come in lower than expected, averaging 7.9 percent in the fourth quarter from the previous estimate of 8.1 percent. The monthly unemployment rate released by the government was 7.9 percent in October.
Still, unemployment was seen stuck at 7.9 percent in the first quarter of next year, and holding at 7.8 percent in the second and third quarters.
Economists raised their forecasts for inflation this quarter with the headline consumer price index seen averaging 2.3 percent, up from earlier estimates for 2.0 percent. For the year, CPI was expected to average 1.9 percent, up from 1.8 percent.
Let it collapse... See who they blame.
...The high Democratic turnout...”
Successful Progressive efforts to turn out 120% of the Democrat vote in right-leaning districts may result in a Democrat super-majority. /s/
“Let it collapse... See who they blame.”
If they could just get enough money from us, they could solve all our problems.
Now they can.
Sometimes I think Republicans in the California legislature should abstain from every vote - no matter what it is. Let the whole thing go down in Liberal flames.
What happen when you run out of rich people?
They bought it, they own it.
the sooner California and hopefully Illinois collapse, the better. I hope they collapse HARD!!!!!!!
we’re not gonna bail ‘em out?
The wind turbines will turn themselves off, as soon as maintenance is missed... after a few minutes.
Dear California Conservatives,
Like East Germany of the past, please get out of California before they put up a fence to confine you and more importantly, your wealth, as property of the State. Texas will be glad to accept our liberty adhering brothers and sisters emigrating from a dictatorship.
Yours in Liberty,
You simply change your definition of "rich people."
“the sooner California and hopefully Illinois collapse, the better. I hope they collapse HARD!!!!!!!”
I am a Californian and I completely agree. Actually, in a perverse way, I am glad the RATs now own California, because it will cause the financial crash to happen sooner. Cities and Counties are already going into bankruptcies, and they will multiply. It will be interesting to see if the State tries to bail them out. The PE pension system assumed in it’s model back in 2000 that the DOW would be at 28,000 by now and that their investments would bail them out. OOPS!
You got it. When the U.S. becomes a third world country, $50K income a year will be considered 'rich'.
Obama will bail them out and Ben will print more money. Same with New York.
Cut off the state and let it float out to sea
It is truely amazing to witness the morons of California. Rich poor and even bums all chant the same mantra of the brain washed left. The Mexicans just giggle at the stupidity of gringos. These idiots just passed a retroactive sales tax. Twenty five cents on the dollar is owed by any business that sold goods. So pretty soon the goods will be drying up.
Why does everybody think things will get better after a collapse? We will still have the same cast of characters all with their hands out. The unions will still control the politicians and the permanent underclass will still be the voting majority. We will just become a pemanent third world state.
DumBO’s reelection will pave the way, that, any tax hikes in California will be paid by the rest of the country, in particular, those without a state income tax.
I tell my students that I can run any business in America as long as I can borrow money. I’m going to tell them that I can also run any level of government as long as I can borrow money. California got a reprieve by having Obama be re-elected. Obama’s not going to let California go down the tubes. They vote Democrat. Obama will find a way to use federal money to bail California out. Jerry Brown is one happy man.
Why is California so Leftist? I submit that it is so Leftist, because people who didn’t like where it was headed, simply picked up sticks and moved out.
Now we advocate more of the same?
Folks, if you want our nation to be sound, then encourage the right sorts of people to move back into the state, vote the Marxists out, and reclaim it for the United States we love.
California has a population of around 38 million. We are losing elections by less than 10% of that. If we had 3.5 million more Conservatives in the state, guess what, we win every election.
The 55 electoral votes go the the Republican candidate every time. The state legislature turns back to the right. The governor will be a Republican.
Are folks aware that 16 states now have a Democrat majority. Read the threads here that talk about it.
We have to find a way to turn these states around. We can’t just move out of them and surrender them to the Left. That is a loser’s strategy, and given thought, I think most of us would agree.
“...see who they will blame.”
Reagan? He was a Calif governor in the 60’s (and conveniently dead and unable to defend his record).
Democrats never apologize for anything. Ever.
Was it prudent to give the go ahead to a bullet train from nowhere to nowhere?
How could anyone vote for Prop 30 after that aerodynamic polished turd was signed into law?
If that entire industry moves out of the state then the vote might swing a bit more to the right.
However, Jenna Jameson did say she was voting for Romney. So maybe even that prediction is overly optimistic.
When California becomes a complete hellhole Mexico can have it back
I have previously commented on Calif Prop 13 and the attack beginning on commercial property. For those who don’t know, property tax in CA is set at the time of purchase at 1% plus local taxes that make it about 1.2-1.3% of purchase price. That is locked in and can only increase 2% of the total per year. A $300,000 purchase will have first year tax of about $3750. It can go up $75 the next year.
I knew that when they had a super majority, the RATS would attack Prop 13, which they have despised and targeted since its passage in 1978. The first area, as the article indicates is commercial property. The RATS think they can go after commercial property owners first because they will pose less opposition at this time than homeowners. But that will be coming.
In college I taught real estate law and economics. You do not have to have such background, however, to know what is going to happen when a commercial property owner gets a tax increase. Of course, that increase is passed onto the tenant. And, of course, that increased business cost is passed onto consumers. We pay more for goods. Well, poor people, get ready for that.
Well, at least I’m commuting twixt here and South Carolina...as long as the money and the airline structure holds out.
More tax on the middle class. Soon they will be forced to cut off the poor and freeloaders. Happy times, California.
Libertarians, who are a much more unified group than conservatives or Republicans, tried to get a significant percentage of their numbers to move to one state in order to improve their chances to elect candidates to their liking.
They should have chosen a state like North Dakota, but instead settled on the fairly attractive state of New Hampshire, i.e. on the coast, no income taxes, good jobs in Massachusetts, etc.
To date, however, very few have moved to the state and it has drifted further to the left and away from its motto of "Live Free or Die".
It's a nice thought having conservatives move to California, but it ain't gonna happen.
California isn't a "swing state," so Democrats in Washington can pretty much take it for granted. If you are a state and you really want to grab a lot of Federal dollars, you should do one or both of the following: (1) make sure your popular vote in presidential elections is never more lopsided than 52%-48% one way or another, and (2) make sure you elect one Democratic and one Republican U.S. Senator. That's how the game is played, folks.
The California/Michigan experiment.
Two states starting in the same place and going in opposite directions. It should be very interesting to see which does better.
That’s because Californians aren’t just stupid, we’re downright stoopid!
Oh, you’ll never have to convince me of that. I really daily reports from the shipping industry about what goes on all over North America, and I find myself shaking my head at some of the idiocy I see at the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach. With all of the added costs and regulations in place out there, they wonder why more and more shippers are doing business with other ports instead.
If you think about it, the people fleeing California are probably the people you would want to stop in your state...people from the interior, red as blood, getting out while they still can.
BTW: You're next, Arizona...have you looked at the colors of your counties after this election? You're bluer than California.
Prepare to keep bailing them out over and over. Do you think Obama is going to let the poster child of Progressivism fail ? We will all fail at once. The demise will be blamed on Capitalism, like it was in 2008. The media will go right along and, well, at least we get to see the looks on the welfare crowd when they realize they’re not going to get as much stuff and they’re going to have to work for it for the good of the collective.
That is smart politics. I would still take a look at the money coming out of California to Democrat causes and candidates. Plus, look at California’s Electoral College votes. You are looking at this from the viewpoint of a citizen of a state. I’m trying to look at it as a Democrat. Politics is a sham and a cover for Democrats to make money. The Democrat leaders are just grifters.
“Understand yourself and understand your opponent, and in one hundred battles, you will not be defeated.”
The Bigun”, the massive earthquake, will prove to be the trigger that results in total collapse and chaos.
My take on that is that we better find a way.
Look, we have eleven states that have gone dark, the Democrats fully control them.
We either find a way to combat this, or it’s going to be 22 states in short order.
Our nation’s very survival depends on this.
Not trying to be insulting, but you’re like the employee who keeps coming back telling me he can’t get something done. I send another guy out and he finds a way to get it done.
We must find a way to get this done.
I’m a native Californian and I am out here visiting family now. This state has gone to hell. I can’t believe they voted in all these new taxes. It’s going to kill business! I wouldn’t blame them for moving to TX. However, I’m all for taking it back. There are plenty of hard working people still here.
No. That's the beauty of being a liberal. It's never your fault. They run the media and the educational system.
The history books will say that the decline of California was caused by climate change due to over commercialization of resources by greedy businessmen who raped the state and it's residents.
Are you saying they will claim that, since Oregon, without a sales tax, borders California, they can postulate (deem) that a certain amount of goods were purchased by Californians in Oregon and no sales tax was paid at the time, therefore, Oregon owes California?
Disagree. Anyone who has stayed in California this long is someone who is far too comfortable with big government. And no, Arizona is NOT bluer than California. West Tucson is very blue, but the rest of the state is far from being like California.
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