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Advice to California's GOP: Leave or better yet, change
Los Angeles Times ^ | November 12, 2012 | by Steve Lopez

Posted on 11/11/2012 9:26:23 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

Memo to the California GOP:

Rough couple of weeks, huh?

What could be worse? I'll tell you what. In the state Legislature, Democrats won supermajorities in both houses. Do you know what that means? It's like handing your teenager a credit card, a checkbook and the car keys so he can drive to an all-night orgy.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election2012

1 posted on 11/11/2012 9:26:26 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If you do choose to leave, please go to a true battleground state.


2 posted on 11/11/2012 9:28:11 AM PST by Bigjimslade
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
...to an all-night orgy.

Haha -- more like a two year orgy.

3 posted on 11/11/2012 9:31:36 AM PST by BRL
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

In other words, revert to being teen-agers.


4 posted on 11/11/2012 9:33:10 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Yep - Republicans need to moderate their tone.

Maybe reach across the aisle once in a while and work with libs.

Only that can save the party. :)


5 posted on 11/11/2012 9:34:19 AM PST by Tzimisce (Will there be anything to fight for in 2016?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I can save your time reading the article. The writer’s advice is for Republicans to become Democrats.


6 posted on 11/11/2012 9:34:37 AM PST by fifedom
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To: fifedom

I don’t think he has too offer any advice. It looks like they already are.


7 posted on 11/11/2012 9:41:49 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Tzimisce
Yep - Republicans need to moderate their tone.

LOL lot of that going around lately.
8 posted on 11/11/2012 9:43:04 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: fifedom

Thanks :)


9 posted on 11/11/2012 9:45:22 AM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

More advice from that voice of conservatism, the LA Times. Baloney. There’s always another choice. Republicans in California should keep quietly working to convince more people to be Republican. Republicans keep looking down the road and worrying. Stop it. What is the worst thing that could happen to California? What’s the most likely thing that will happen to California? The leaders of the Democrat party are grifters. Understand that and use it to your advantage. The Democrat leaders don’t want communism. They know well that they’ll be the first ones sent out to pick weeds in the onion fields. They just think they’re clever enough to squeeze some more money out of the taxpayers without destroying the state. I hate to ever recommend lawyers, but find a good tax lawyer. Make it a game to legally beat the state out of every dollar possible. Quit funding Democrats through businesses that donate to the Democrats. Have a margarita! Go to the beach! Those grifters wanted power. Let’s see how the Democrat voters like it. Life’s great as long as the federal government can borrow money. Watch out if they can’t. The first ones to suffer will be the Democrat voters who asked for it.


10 posted on 11/11/2012 9:46:30 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

He’s a big time lib and that article was a tongue and cheek swipe at the GOP. He doesn’t give a rats behind for Republicans. He and the rest of the Golden State lefties are in nirvana right now. Hey Steve, can’t wait for the upcoming articles you write when you’re begging the federal government to bail out your state after Moonbeam and Friends ruin what’s left of it and they tell you to go pound sand.


11 posted on 11/11/2012 9:49:27 AM PST by dowcaet ( for)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Hey, Steve-O I’ve got news for you. The LA Times is going down with the ship. My advice? Take a more conservative stance and stop endorsing libs and lib props.


12 posted on 11/11/2012 9:49:27 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

California is a preview of what is going to happen to the entire nation. Limbaugh, Fox News, and all the conservative talking heads played us all for fools. “The polls are wrong.” “It will be a Romney landslide.” What a bunch of bullshit. I believed them, and now I feel like an idiot for not seeing it coming. The non-white minorities and the moochers (often one and the same, but not all moochers are non-white) run this country now. They will keep electing politicians who promise them free stuff. We have passed the tipping point where the parasites now outnumber the producers, and no amount of rebranding of the Republican party is going to help us. The Democrats own the media. They own the education establishment. They own the parasite vote. This country is finished. We are going to be a socialist nanny state. They will come for our guns. They will take away talk radio. They will shut down FR and silence all opposition. Idiot Sean Hannity and his “just wait till 2016” crap makes me laugh. We’re not going to win any more elections. We only have a shot at restoring this country when it falls because the statists run out of money and there is a total collapse. We might restore the Republic out of the ruins of the big government nanny state, but forget about elections or democracy. We are finished.


13 posted on 11/11/2012 9:49:34 AM PST by Astronaut
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To: fifedom
I can save your time reading the article. The writer’s advice is for Republicans to become Democrats.

Which is the same message as the Romney supporters that were not ABO voters.

As we have seen this week, FR has a lot of people that actually wanted Romney as the nominee, people who actually prefer his William Weld agenda.

14 posted on 11/11/2012 9:52:13 AM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The solution is to balance the new state of East California against the new state of Puerto Rico.

Each state gets it's fullshare of existing water rights WITHIN the state boundaries.

I think that gives Eastern California a powerful lever ~ and as long as they don't waste it they could even free up some space on the beach.

15 posted on 11/11/2012 9:52:19 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: blueunicorn6

Hire a lawyer to squeeze every penny out of the tax code just to pay my lawyer? What’s the difference?


16 posted on 11/11/2012 9:53:45 AM PST by Liberty4California (Free California from the Leftists.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Good. Let California have a taste of Dem absolute rule.

The place will look like Detroit.


17 posted on 11/11/2012 9:54:09 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Get out while u can. Turn CA over to Mexico.


18 posted on 11/11/2012 9:54:12 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.


19 posted on 11/11/2012 9:55:44 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

One thing that never happens with a Democrat supermajorities,audits most of them have more houses and toys one could only dream of.


20 posted on 11/11/2012 9:55:51 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Bigjimslade
"If you do choose to leave, please go to a true battleground state."

Yes an influx of of a couple hundred thousand Voting Conservatives into Ohio could change us back to Red.

22 posted on 11/11/2012 9:58:34 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: fifedom

In other words, stop grossing and go to the orgy with your teenager.


23 posted on 11/11/2012 10:01:33 AM PST by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The “Free S**t Army” wants Republicans to get in a bidding war with democrats to see who will promise the most free stuff.


24 posted on 11/11/2012 10:01:56 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Strange how paranoia can link up with reality now and then." -- Philip K. Dick)
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To: Bigjimslade
If you do choose to leave, please go to a true battleground state.

Going to a red state will increase the population of that state in the census, giving that state more weight in the electoral college.

25 posted on 11/11/2012 10:02:28 AM PST by arista
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To: Astronaut
We might restore the Republic out of the ruins of the big government nanny state, but forget about elections or democracy. We are finished.

You make excellent points. The country is finished and we'll never see anything like it again in our lifetimes. To paraphrase Reagan, we are the last best hope for freedom in the world. When the U.S. is done, where do you go? As for a Republic rising out of the bankrupted nanny state...forget it. It took the likes of Washington, Madison, Jefferson , Franklin and Adams to create this one, and I don't see any of their kind on the political horizon.

Sorry to be so depressing but I've been really down since Tues, and I plan on doing what the rest of the country obviously does, sit back, watch reality TV, refuse to be informed and just vote for whoever promises the most "free stuff".

26 posted on 11/11/2012 10:07:34 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: YankeeReb

Yes, it makes me indescribably sad. Rank and file conservatives had the heart to win, but we were failed by our so-called leaders. Now those leaders cant wait to make a deal with Obamugabe on taxes, immigration, etc... Sellouts all.

I plan to keep my head down, make as much money as I can, take care of myself and those I love, and wait for the welfare checks to stop. Only then can we think about restoring a once great country.


27 posted on 11/11/2012 10:19:19 AM PST by Astronaut
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To: YankeeReb; Astronaut

I’d love to say that you’re both wrong but you are only too right. My parents escaped from the Communists only to be here again. Everything you both said is true, imo.

They already came for our world’s finest healthcare and are in the process of destroying that. I fought it as hard as I possibly could, to no avail as Comrade Giffords threw her district under the bus.

I feel like one of the last people standing/working in my town and I’m not exaggerating. Half of this the town is on welfare and/or meth/crack. After, they seize my 401K and the last American jobs in my company are done, I too am turning into a looter parasite. (ok, probably not really but at least going to minimal work, just enough for the mortgage and pets)

I’ve never collected one dime of anything, am penalized for not having offspring (especially the anchor baby kind that attend all the schools around here), and have been paying in (aka taxed in their Ponzi schemes) for umpteen years. I’m over being their slave while the rest of the moochers sit around with their greedy paws out for more of our money.


28 posted on 11/11/2012 10:20:09 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Liberty4California

Do it if it makes sense for Return On Investment (ROI). If not, don’t do it.


29 posted on 11/11/2012 10:20:42 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Notice how it is always about how the GOP “marches to the
right”? By definition we don’t march, we stay put. Let’s be
be clear. It is the liberals who are willing to drive the car down
Hwy 1 around Big Sur at 90mph, midnight, with the lights off.

The ideal GOPer as described in the article now owns a home
in California. His name is Mitt Romney. The only problem is
that newspapers like the LA Times can never be honest enough
to tell the truth about people like Romney when the choice is
between Romney and a real moonbat lib.


30 posted on 11/11/2012 10:21:07 AM PST by Sivad (Nor Cal Red Turf)
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To: tennmountainman

sure, so then the cartels can more easily enter the rest of the country?


31 posted on 11/11/2012 10:38:35 AM PST by RitchieAprile (the obsteperous gentleman..)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Advice to California, go ahead and mint your own money and you’ll find out right quick what you’re worth sovereign. When the shtf, Cali won’t be anyone’s idea of paradise...


32 posted on 11/11/2012 10:39:39 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: Vaduz

Hey, GOP. Be the taxman for the Democrats. That’s the ticket!

Oldplayer


33 posted on 11/11/2012 10:44:30 AM PST by oldplayer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Here’s a plan for California conservatives: Quit the GOP, re-register as Democrats, and make common cause with the State’s conservative Dems.

There are really 3 political parties in California; The Liberal Democrat/RINO Party, the conservative Democrat Party, and the tiny remnant of the GOP. A look at the map proves this.

Democrats now have a super majority in the legislature. That means that a map of Senate and Assembly districts is mostly blue. However, maps of the returns for the propositions aren’t mostly blue; they’re mostly red. The State’s liberal/RINO heartland is concentrated along coast. The eastern part of the State, while Democrat, is far more conservative. Prop 30 won along the coast while Prop 32 won the interior.

So why jump ship? The RINOs in the State GOP hate conservatives. They loath the TEA Party more than Democrats do. They would rather lose an election than see a conservative win and they have been sabotaging conservatives in this State for years. So if we can’t make a difference in the CA-GOP, then why not try to help conservative Democrats? The maps show that they’re out there, but they aren’t a majority of their party; the LA and San Francisco machines run right over them. Conservatives who’ve been exiled from the State GOP could make up the difference.

Why not rot the Democrats’ super majority from the inside out? All it would take are a few more pro-gun, pro-life, anti-tax, free-market, conservative Dems to gum up the works in Sacramento. They exist, but they need a little help.


34 posted on 11/11/2012 10:47:58 AM PST by Redcloak ("...and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Memo to the California GOP:

The next meeting of the CA Republican Party will be in the back of an old VW Beetle, parked in the Mohave. The meeting time will be when the 2 of you gets there!! /s

35 posted on 11/11/2012 11:15:12 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (More Republicans stayed home then the margin of victory of O's Win...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Think about it, GOP. You've marched so far to the right, you practically make your party's conservative icon look like a card-carrying liberal.

I wish this guy had said this at the outset, it would've saved me the time of reading his piece of crap article.

Anyone who cannot see that it isn't the GOP that has moved has his head too far up his arse.

36 posted on 11/11/2012 11:46:11 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Astronaut
Idiot Sean Hannity and his “just wait till 2016” crap makes me laugh.

You're a great American...yukyuk...

His schtick is way dead.

Hannity is like listening to a political radio Disney...Him having his own show, proves political Pollyanna's abound.

Rush isn't much better, as he got too fat, too rich, too disconnected from real life.

Bet the rent, free America and smaller less controlling, less intrusive government will not be coming back by traditional means.

37 posted on 11/11/2012 11:51:20 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Your first option is to cut and run. Frankly, I regularly hear from Republicans who so despise California and everything it stands for, I'm surprised they keep subjecting themselves to so much misery. Wouldn't it be better to sell everything, pack up the station wagon and move to Georgia or Kentucky? They think, act and vote red in those states, and they probably hate California at least as much as you do."

If it were me, I'd pick this option. Although, contrary to the author's assumption, I don't "hate". That's the province of most whacked out liberals I've run into, no matter how much they try to hide it. But, I am learning to, compliments of people like this author.

Leave, and let these people roll around in the muck they've created.

38 posted on 11/11/2012 11:53:27 AM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Bigjimslade

Nonono go to Blue state. Too much chance republicans from Kali are Arnold types.


39 posted on 11/11/2012 11:58:51 AM PST by Kozak (The means of defence again.t foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: Astronaut
You are unfortunately correct. Our country is irretrievably in the dependency stage of democracy. The takers are in control and will always vote for more stuff. They will do it all the way to the end which will come when the US can no longer get away with printing or borrowing more money. Some form of tyranny will follow. It is our inescapable fate. We are not the first democracy to go this route.
40 posted on 11/11/2012 12:11:12 PM PST by gleneagle
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To: Astronaut

Do you want to know a secret? - ALL governments of man are CORRUPT, only some a little less than others. - It’s a “sin problem”. - Look up; and BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD!! Soon, “the Government shall be upon his shoulders”. - Gee, that makes me want to attend a Christmas presentation of “HANDEL’S MESSIAH”, while we still are free to do so.


41 posted on 11/11/2012 12:50:22 PM PST by Twinkie (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)
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To: Tench_Coxe

” . . let these people roll around in the muck they’ve created.”

Exactly. In the Book of Revelation, there is a reference to a time when it is the only way . . . “let him who is filthy be filthy still (peacefully). . . “ - This may well be that time.


42 posted on 11/11/2012 12:56:21 PM PST by Twinkie (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The article makes me sick. And the comments. People are so stupid. Wanting not to spend money we don’t have, and then punish the few in this state who are hiring people. I wish we could have a journalist season where we could shoot them. Not really. But this guy is so dead wrong about us and the state.


43 posted on 11/11/2012 1:16:33 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The Democrat leaders don’t want communism. They know well that they’ll be the first ones sent out to pick weeds in the onion fields. They just think they’re clever enough to squeeze some more money out of the taxpayers without destroying the state

No, you're wrong. A Democrat is a liberal is a progressive is a socialist is a communist. There IS NO "DEMOCRATIC PARTY" here in California, or the USA as a whole. We have only Communists, and Republicans.

Every Democrat is a Communist traitor. It's just that simple. Really.

44 posted on 11/11/2012 9:18:41 PM PST by Rytwyng (I'm still fond of the United States. I just can't find it. -- Fred Reed)
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To: Redcloak
Why not rot the Democrats’ super majority from the inside out? All it would take are a few more pro-gun, pro-life, anti-tax, free-market, conservative Dems to gum up the works in Sacramento. They exist, but they need a little help.

That's what I did after the election, I registered as a Democrat in California. If enough of conservative Californians do this we can take advantage of the low-information voters who vote for anybody with a (D) next to their name.
45 posted on 11/11/2012 9:33:01 PM PST by conservativefreak
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To: oldplayer

The Democrats are tax masters they don’t require extra help.


46 posted on 11/12/2012 8:50:08 AM PST by Vaduz
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