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Getting Hannity's mind right on Amnesty
11/11/2012 | TBBT

Posted on 11/11/2012 11:09:28 AM PST by TBBT

Immigration & Delusion
Why Hispanics Don’t Vote for Republicans
The Demographic Excuse


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KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; hannity; illegalaliens; illegals; immigration; talkradio; vanity
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I find Hannity's new found religion on Amnesty as bewildering as Chris Christie's walk on the beach with the One. Not only is it bewildering, but Hannity's waffling is infinitely more damaging in the cover that it will provide our establishment Republican types (who are always on the prowl for something new to cave on.)

I've never thought that Latino's were conservatives in waiting if only the GOP got right with illegal immigration and amnesty. In my mind they vote Democrat because they believe in Democrat ideology - just as it's spelled out in the articles that I linked above. If you want to get more Latino votes, you're going to have to find a way to turn their belief system away from liberalism and move them to conservatism. How we go about that is open to debate. But what is not debatable is what will happen if we cave on amnesty. Immediately, there will be 11 million new "legal" Democrat votes. They will not swing to the GOP anymore then they swung to George H.W. Bush after Reagan granted the last Amnesty.

In my view, we need to start inundating Hannity's email, website forum, and phone to get his mind right and stop the damage that he is likely going to do.

1 posted on 11/11/2012 11:09:40 AM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

Sean is a bumper sticker Conservative. He will soon be repeating what Limbaugh and Levin say.


2 posted on 11/11/2012 11:13:21 AM PST by Wiggins
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To: Wiggins

I can’t stand Hannity. Listening to him is like nails on the chalkboard. He’s got a big empty head.


3 posted on 11/11/2012 11:18:07 AM PST by snarkytart
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To: TBBT

What do you consider amnesty? Letting the illegals stay? You can’t deport all of them. I’d rather get some measure of control over the border first. Although security has already been pretty well shot, because the Democrats want as many illegals in the country as possible.


4 posted on 11/11/2012 11:19:28 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: TBBT

The poor ones like the freebies, the Earned Income Tax Credit, the Child Care Credit . . it’s nice to get a “refund” every February


5 posted on 11/11/2012 11:20:30 AM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Wiggins
Sean is a bumper sticker Conservative. He will soon be repeating what Limbaugh and Levin say.

I couldn't agree more. Sean is not a thinker. He's a parrot. He parrots GOP talking points and conventional wisdom's - nothing more. He's not capable of deep/thoughtful analysis. That's why I don't listen to him and why I do listen to Rush.
6 posted on 11/11/2012 11:20:45 AM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT
"I find Hannity's new found religion on Amnesty as bewildering as Chris Christie's walk on the beach with the One. Not only is it bewildering, but Hannity's waffling is infinitely more damaging in the cover that it will provide our establishment Republican types (who are always on the prowl for something new to cave on.)"

Sandy took a heavy toll on Hannity's trees and yard; he's been whining about it since the storm hit. I think he's just trying to find a decent landscaper to clean up cheap.

7 posted on 11/11/2012 11:21:56 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: popdonnelly

YES you can deport their ILLEGAL asses!!!!!!!!!!!

Build the fence
Enforce the fence
Deport the ILLEGALS you catch
Watch the rest self-deport

NO AMNESTY! NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Buy a clue and get a brain, fool!


8 posted on 11/11/2012 11:22:15 AM PST by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: TBBT

a digital memory chip does a better job of repeating the same mantra of crap over and over and over than Hannity. He’s not bright and he has become so boring I’d rather watch paint dry.

Put Judge Jeanine Pirro on in his spot. She’s brilliant and a conservative who can frame arguments and probe issues rather than toss a damn football.

I could care less what Hannity says about amnesty because he can’t even persuade conservatives, much less the people we need to persuade. Listen to what Lindsay Graham says about immigration reform, people like Hannity shooting off his mouth is part of the problem.


9 posted on 11/11/2012 11:23:16 AM PST by bigbob
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To: TBBT
"I've never thought that Latino's were conservatives in waiting if only the GOP got right with illegal immigration and amnesty. In my mind they vote Democrat because they believe in Democrat ideology - just as it's spelled out in the articles that I linked above."

Lurking behind the illegal Hispanic crowd is La Raza and Reconquista. They don't want either R OR D, but they find the D so incredibly pliant to their cause, of course they will align...until they can retake the southern US. The Muslims will be right behind them to take the rest. Perhaps Texas & Louisiana have something.

10 posted on 11/11/2012 11:23:27 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: TBBT

TBBT wrote: “If you want to get more Latino votes, you’re going to have to find a way to turn their belief system away from liberalism and move them to conservatism.”

And, the way to turn that belief system is to kill off the entitlement spigot that has been built and manned by the libtards since FDR. Get the government out of the welfare business. Get back inside the constraints of the Constitution. The latino vote will either follow, or it won’t. IF it doesn’t then we need to be prepared to take the next steps.

How do we do that? Start local. Add States, by dividing up the fifty we have into 150 or more, thereby reducing the undue influence of the metro areas and providing more Senators, more EV, a more level playing field for everyone.

Campaign and message intensely for conservative values and conservative principles ALL YEAR LONG, not just during election cycles.

Prepare, prepare, prepare...challenge election fraud at EVERY TURN, and don’t walk away from the confrontations.

If we are to salvage this grand experiment, we must fight for it.


11 posted on 11/11/2012 11:24:10 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: popdonnelly
What do you consider amnesty? Letting the illegals stay? You can’t deport all of them. I’d rather get some measure of control over the border first. Although security has already been pretty well shot, because the Democrats want as many illegals in the country as possible.

The correct solution is open to debate. But, it's not my main thrust here. Right now I'm focusing on stopping the damage from Hannity's "coming around" on this Amnesty thing.
12 posted on 11/11/2012 11:25:11 AM PST by TBBT
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To: popdonnelly
Why Hispanics Don’t Vote for Republicans

It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation.

A March 2011 poll by Moore Information found that Republican economic policies were a stronger turn-off for Hispanic voters in California than Republican positions on illegal immigration.

And a strong reason for that support for big government is that so many Hispanics use government programs. U.S.-born Hispanic households in California use welfare programs at twice the rate of native-born non-Hispanic households. And that is because nearly one-quarter of all Hispanics are poor in California, compared to a little over one-tenth of non-Hispanics. Nearly seven in ten poor children in the state are Hispanic, and one in three Hispanic children is poor, compared to less than one in six non-Hispanic children.

The best evidence available on Hispanic public opinion, a big election even poll from Latino Decisions and ImpreMedia, makes it clear that this is just a fairly liberal voting bloc. Just 12 percent of Latinos support a cuts-only approach to deficit reduction, and only 25 percent want to repeal Obamacare.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332916/why-hispanics-dont-vote-republicans-heather-mac-donald

seems to contrast the latest media meme that it’s ALL about immigration policy.

"Compromise" suggests BOTH sides get something. What if amnesty/"path to citizenship" meant you become a citizen, but cannot vote(as Rush suggested) for 5 years or more?(I would add not get any welfare)

13 posted on 11/11/2012 11:26:32 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Liz; La Lydia; AuntB

AMNESTY PING


14 posted on 11/11/2012 11:28:36 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: TBBT

Hannityis like the Democrats. He thinks the most important thing in the world is winning elections. He is wrong. Sticking to one’s principles is what makes one an honorable person. Going against them, makes one a hypocrite.


15 posted on 11/11/2012 11:29:25 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: TBBT

Hannity’s a big Twitter user.


16 posted on 11/11/2012 11:30:53 AM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: TBBT

What I found MOST disturbing were his pics of homosexual marraige and his comment that AMERICA is changing and perhaps we conservatives should go along.

What an ASS! Hannity has been selling his soul for quite sometime now. Anything for a win eh! Is that it sean?

I’m calling on Cardinal Dolan to excommunicate this POS, ASAP!

9:00 PM FOX BUSINESS CHANNEL! The Willis Report!


17 posted on 11/11/2012 11:32:10 AM PST by billys kid ("Bury me on my head for one day this world will be upside down." (Diogenes))
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To: TurboZamboni

get real kick the can down the road for 5 years then what 15 million new lifelong entitlment minded democrats...we are in this mess because no one will say no remember 60% of the usa does not want amnesty...use that to your advantage, why commit slow political suicide..


18 posted on 11/11/2012 11:32:32 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Wiggins
He will soon be repeating what Limbaugh and Levin say.

Hannity admitted in a Newsweek interview several years ago that he uses Limbaugh for show prep. He's an empty suit in the intellect department.

19 posted on 11/11/2012 11:33:40 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: TBBT

Anyone who thinks any significant portion of 20 million newly legalized poor latinos will suddenly decide to be self sufficient and reject the party of government goodies ought to be made to EXPLAIN how they think that will happen. At least.


20 posted on 11/11/2012 11:35:48 AM PST by skeeter
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Buy his book and get you some Ruth’s Cris!


21 posted on 11/11/2012 11:35:53 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TBBT

Most of the Latinos I know are conservative, but that anecdotal evidence, and the focus on ‘Latinos’ is irrelevant. The real issue is not about Latinos but illegal aliens. I think most of the vote and activism we see is from people who have no respect for our laws as they are either illegal aliens, amnestied americans, or the children of amnestied americans.


22 posted on 11/11/2012 11:37:00 AM PST by posterchild (Remember that thou art dust, and to dust thou shalt return.)
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To: popdonnelly

Sounds like the same kind of deal with the debt.
Taxes go up, the spending is never cut.


23 posted on 11/11/2012 11:38:33 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Joe 6-pack

LOL.


24 posted on 11/11/2012 11:39:43 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: TBBT

There is also probably a huge contingent of pro amnesty US citizen ‘99 weekers’ who think that manual labor is beneath their awesome specialness and they need ‘others’ to do those jobs.


25 posted on 11/11/2012 11:42:40 AM PST by posterchild (Remember that thou art dust, and to dust thou shalt return.)
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To: TBBT

While Hannity is on his recent break, he should be getting his attitude adjusted by Levin and Rush.


26 posted on 11/11/2012 11:44:19 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: Wiggins

“Sean is a bumper sticker Conservative. He will soon be repeating what Limbaugh and Levin say.”

Honestly, I think we he prepares for his show, he listens to Limbaugh and Levin, and takes notes. I rarely hear him be the lead on any issue. I really doubt he researches much of anything to much in depth he discusses on his show. The few subects he is well researched on, he beats into the ground over and over.


27 posted on 11/11/2012 11:46:16 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: TurboZamboni

Great info that needs to be posted far and wide on FR and elsewhere.

Another enlightening stat that Rush talked about on Friday is that, before Ronald Reagan signed blanket amnesty legislation, Hispanics identified as 37% Republican. After Reagan signed the amnesty bill, giving citizenship to 3 Million illegals, the percentage of Hispanics identifying as Republicans dropped significantly to 30%.


28 posted on 11/11/2012 11:49:31 AM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: TBBT

Living in Texas as I do and having Hispanic “friends” or acquaintances, the main reason I hear them voting Democrat is purely and simply a “tribal” thing, and several of them even use the “tribe” word, and often, as they say things like, “I’m voting with my tribe”. The logic behind their thinking is quite simple; if it weren’t for the Anglo population, the land and wealth would belong to their tribe. They’re hatred of the Anglo isn’t as intense as it is in the Black population, but it runs as strong and is, in many ways broader. They of course justify this with their slant on history. Unfortunately, they identify the GOP as a party interested only in protecting the wealth and privilege of the Anglo population who they see as an usurper population. As they become the demographic that is the largest minority in a non-majority population, the GOP will simply fade into the history books. There is no “turning” them and Hispanics that embrace the GOP are questioned as not being “real” Hispanics, a charge recently leveled at newly elected Texas Senator Ted Cruz.


29 posted on 11/11/2012 11:49:57 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: TBBT

How much of an audience/influence does he really have? These energies would be better spent clearing up senatorial minds.


30 posted on 11/11/2012 11:50:05 AM PST by posterchild (Remember that thou art dust, and to dust thou shalt return.)
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To: TBBT

Hannity is just a mindless cheerleader whose shows, both tv and particularly radio have no in depth discussion.


31 posted on 11/11/2012 11:50:25 AM PST by MachIV
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To: lonevoice

Makes sense. Illegals are the kind of people who want to break the rules and take advantage of the largesse of others without paying their dues. Of course once they’re legalized they will vote Democrat. We at least have a chance of getting the votes of legal immigrants. I’m friends with a legal immigrant from Latin America who is a staunch Republican.


32 posted on 11/11/2012 11:51:58 AM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: popdonnelly

None of the powers that be want the border to be closed, they want amnesty. Period. That’s why they want securing the border and amnesty done at the same time as comprehensive immigration reform. This is 1986 all over again, they get amnesty but eventually nothing is done with the border


33 posted on 11/11/2012 11:52:13 AM PST by Bigtigermike
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To: TBBT

I think Hannity is kind of empty headed but he is not the one who started all of the welfare programs which is the reason we have the illegal problem to begin with.

Cut off the welfare programs to young Americans and aliens and we would not have any reason to consider amnesty.


34 posted on 11/11/2012 11:52:47 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: TBBT

His new “religion” comes straight from Rupert.

Murdoch makes a statement and Hannity “see’s the light”.

He is nothing more than a shill.


35 posted on 11/11/2012 11:52:59 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Rich21IE

This is one reason why the Democrats embrace abortion and subsidizing contraception to such a large degree. If every ethnic group were reproducing at natural rates, the ethnic balance of the country would remain intact (barring changes from immigration). But with legalized “family planning” or baby-killing, there is a chance to influence whites to have less children than other ethnic groups. This is helped by promoting feminism in the schools, which denounces and shames motherhood. Yet some fools in the GOP want to become a pro-choice party, endorsing an immoral action that is helping to take votes away from them.


36 posted on 11/11/2012 11:56:05 AM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: Wiggins

This is how his 3 day evolution evolved. Rupert Murdoch owns News Corp. News Corp owns Fox News. Hannity works for Fox, ergo Murdoch owns Hannity. Murdoch tweets after the election that he’s for amnesty. So if Hannity wants to keep his cushy job and live in his cushy neighborhood, which btw, is nowhere near a day labor center that brings down property values, he becomes a good little soldier and gets in line with his boss. Much like Boehner is telling his minions. Let’s just see how that all works out. Thank God Rush gets it and has a bigger megaphone.


37 posted on 11/11/2012 11:57:00 AM PST by TxAnn56
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To: Rich21IE

They smell blood in the water. They know politicians are only thinking about the next election. If history repeats itself, eventually whites will be the Native American tribes and Hispanics will be the Europeans.


38 posted on 11/11/2012 11:59:29 AM PST by Fu-fu2
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To: snarkytart

I’m with you on that. I’ve said this for years. He’s a total moron.


39 posted on 11/11/2012 12:02:37 PM PST by Robert Lomax
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To: billys kid
"What I found MOST disturbing were his pics of homosexual marraige and his comment that AMERICA is changing and perhaps we conservatives should go along."

Hannity, to me, is a repetitive little non-thinker, but....he did/said THAT? Was it on his TV show?

40 posted on 11/11/2012 12:04:40 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (The idiocracy has come home to roost. God help us.)
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To: Rich21IE

Living in Texas as I do and having Hispanic “friends”


I used to work with Mexican Americans in southern Arizona, good people, and they do not like what is going on any better than we do with all of the aliens coming up here and getting on social services.


41 posted on 11/11/2012 12:05:40 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: TBBT

It wasn’t The Republican Immigration Policy:It was The DemoRat “Santa Claus”government policies that won!!We have reached”The Tipping-Point”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


42 posted on 11/11/2012 12:08:44 PM PST by bandleader
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To: popdonnelly

I’d rather get some measure of control over the border first.
___________________________________________

of course you would

any old excuse to give your illegal aliens AMNESTY...

shall we put you down as having OPEN HOUSE ???

how many illegal aliens will fit into your house ???

5 families ??? 10 ???

We’ll start small just 10 families...

expect them Monday...

Do you have a shed you can move you and your own family into ???

We wouldnt want the illegal aliens to be inconvenienced and feel uncomfortable having to look at white American faces...

can you keepp your children quiet so your guests are not disturbed ???

That car your wife drives...does it get good mileage ???

Your truck of course will have to be shared with the men of the families...

they need to transport their independant pharmacutical business wares some how...

and that 60 inch TV does it get the Spanish lauguage channels clearly ???

You’ll have to get an upgrade on your cable...

do you have a credit line for Lowes ???

Toilets tend to overflow and get broken easily when we put Hispanics in Gringos homes...

Poor plumbing or something...

and food ...they all have delicate stomachs..

Please order only the best beef for their Tacos...

and beverages...

100 caaes of Miguel a week might be enough for a start...

but they’ll let you know when you need to purchase more...

You might want to stock your library with Spanish language books

We dont want the children being forced to read English...

and of course a regulation soccar ball for each of the boys...

incase they get bored with those XBox video games youre going to buy them...

and a Hispanic Barbie complete with full wardrobe and assessories for all the girls ...

Little girls cant ride their Schwinn bikes in the rain..

and of course clothes for the children themselves

What how many ???

Well how many anchor babiers do you thinl 10 families of illegal aliens can make in 10-20 years ???

The wives can only use the finest makeup for sensitive skin so dig deep in your wallet...

are you taking good notes ???

and clothes I think Prada might do for now..

Oh just give each lady a credit card for Macys or Saks...

Oh and healthCare...Hmmmmm

Well that will depend on how many of the children the parents can claim are not yet 26...

and a cellphone for everyone...

They have to keep in touch with family and friends

and how would you like to be lost and lonely in a strange country where few people spoke your language ???

and you cant expect the president to buy phones for your guests...

Isnt this fun shopping for other people ???

You are SOOOOOOO nice to volunteer to sponser 10 of these worthy illegal aliens families...

You’ll see... it will be great...

watching your money get spent faster than you could yourself...

3 monbths or 30 years its only money...

and who deserves it better than you ???

oh and make sure you are at all times prepared to buy another car...

Illegal aliens dont drive too good...

Aint AMNESTY grand ???


43 posted on 11/11/2012 12:12:18 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: popdonnelly
You can’t deport all of them.

Why? Who says we can't?

44 posted on 11/11/2012 12:15:09 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: JediJones

Well, I think your correct in many respects. I would add that if you examine the agenda of the Liberal elites that basically hijacked the education system in the 1960’s and immigration policy during Johnson’s administration, you come to see that their efforts have been entirely anti-Anglo from the very beginning. They’ve engaged in a two pronged tactic, they’ve re-written history to demonize the Anglo-European population and with the Immigration and Reform Act, they’ve insured that policies would favor non-Anglo/European immigration and of course, they’ve maintained the open borders with Mexico policy.

The irony of all this is that for all practical purposes, the GOP has been entirely hollowed out. The politicians in the party are owned, operated and controlled by extremely wealthy people like the Koch brothers who have no moral center, their only interest being the increase and preservation of their wealth. And that strikes to the core of the problem of the GOP, i.e., it’s owned, operated and controlled by a group of people who don’t believe it can win, but rather, use it to buy time to offshore their wealth and property. That fact is made clear by the fact that in order to run for election, Romney himself had to close his offshore bank accounts.......he already had one foot outside the door when he was basically “paid”, probably by monies siphoned off by Karl Rove, to make this bogus run for president. He knew he’d lose, but......as long as his pockets were lined, he didn’t care. The GOP is therefore basically used as was the Austrian Army in WWII, sacrificed in a losing cause to buy time for the Austrian elites to move their money and families to Switzerland. Living as they do, paycheck to paycheck, the Anglo-European middle class has no conception of either what’s really happening nor what the end result will be; at the end of the day of course, they’ll be impoverished, their property confiscated and they won’t have the funds necessary to get their families out.

And, you can run, but you can’t hide anywhere in the U.S. Just today I heard a Democrat operative talking about doing away with farm subsidies. They’re going to force the Anglo-European population out of rural areas and into the blighted cities which are already free-fire kill zones.


45 posted on 11/11/2012 12:17:32 PM PST by Rich21IE
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To: GeronL

You are correct. All Rupert’s platforms (inc. Wall St. Journal & FNC) are falling in line. Time to boycott them all.


46 posted on 11/11/2012 12:24:12 PM PST by Iowegian
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To: PubliusMM; TBBT
TBBT wrote: “If you want to get more Latino votes, you’re going to have to find a way to turn their belief system away from liberalism and move them to conservatism.”


47 posted on 11/11/2012 12:47:57 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: posterchild
How much of an audience/influence does he really have? These energies would be better spent clearing up senatorial minds.

Don't underestimate the value that Hannity's new conversion can have. Not only will it provide cover to wobbly establishment Republican types, it will be use like a club by the left. I've already read much about Hannity's and Dr. K's conversion in many many articles from both right and left leaning publications, blogs, etc... I've already seen it mentioned many times on the various TV news outlets. It's already growing legs/a life of it's own...
48 posted on 11/11/2012 1:06:44 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

In order to get Hannity’s head straight on amnesty, you must explain what it is first to him. I doubt he could explain it. This guy represents our viewpoint in a prime time slot, it’s embarrassing. We have devolved from Firing Line to this dolt. The only thing good you can say about him, is if you listen to past shows they are never dated, it all sounds the same.


49 posted on 11/11/2012 1:09:23 PM PST by gusty
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To: Wiggins
He will soon be repeating what Limbaugh and Levin say

Well then that's good because Rush is against amnesty and says the GOP is out of their collective minds if they think the hispanics will support them if amnesty is embraced.

The hispanic vote is all about the free stuff the democrats promise and pass out.....

50 posted on 11/11/2012 1:16:09 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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