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Its Time to Bring Voting into the Modern Era of Real Time Transparency
4YourCountry ^ | 11/10/12 | 4yourcountry

Posted on 11/11/2012 3:34:33 PM PST by CriticalThinking

In a world of real time information why is our voting system so arcane? Why for example are election results held until after all voting is over? We have polls that suggest how we are going to vote, but in the 2012 election we learned that there are D+8 and R+2 models that reflect how many Republicans or Democrats are going to to vote. Why don't we provide the real answer in real time.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; fraud; voter; voting

1 posted on 11/11/2012 3:34:42 PM PST by CriticalThinking
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To: CriticalThinking

when are we gonna learn? the more technology we apply to the situation, the more opportunity for fraud we are building into it.


2 posted on 11/11/2012 3:38:09 PM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: CriticalThinking
As I said on another thread:

“The first thing is to end voting for weeks leading up to an election.”

No, the first thing is long prison terms for officials committing vote fraud and jail time (read “chain gang” picking up trash along the road side while wearing a pink & chartreuse polka dot jumpsuit with a “I’m a Vote CHEAT” sign front & back) & fines for people who voted multiple times.

Another high tech solution would be:


3 posted on 11/11/2012 3:42:52 PM PST by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: CriticalThinking

Any number of qualified technology oriented companies could conduct flawless elections: Amazon, FedEx, Schwab, EBay or NetFlix to name a few. It isn’t happening because political powers in DeeCee don’t want it to happen.


4 posted on 11/11/2012 3:44:03 PM PST by Baynative
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To: CriticalThinking
Ahh, yes, more transparency. I agree, it is required. The transparency in noting that the GOP ran a NE liberal governor against another liberal. That the Democrats didn't run against the GOP, but instead against fictitious phantoms.

That everyone lied in this election - the GOP lied that they were espousing conservative ideals, that the Democrats lied that they're out there supporting women and minorities. All the while, a supposedly split congress manages to blow through 2 trillion dollars in imaginary money no one will ever pay for in less than a year.

That everything will change about ObamaCare if we elect the creator of RomneyCare. That he'll take on the gay mafia, just like he stood firm in ensuring that homosexuals could call themselves married in Massachusetts.

Yes, we need a whole lot more transparency. But instead, we'll get more lipstick for the pigs.

5 posted on 11/11/2012 3:44:14 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Baynative

inre #4, bs. whoever writes the program wil be under pressure either professionally (by the company) or personally (directly, by both parties) to write something that favors their party. it is really quite easy to write something untracable to guarantee a win for the highest bidder.

technoogy is NOT the solution. it is the problem. simple paper ballots are the easiest verifiable solution.


6 posted on 11/11/2012 3:49:55 PM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: BwanaNdege

“Election ink” has been used in many countries for a long time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_ink


7 posted on 11/11/2012 3:50:03 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: CriticalThinking

I say drop the whole election problem onto the military, look first at using the national Guard from each state, they register you, give you your voting dog tag with its unique chip.

And they will take the votes at armed stations guaranteeing an honest election, and I seriously doubt even the Guard will corrupt the election one way or the other.

Death by firing squad is the option for cheating.

seriously America just had its backside reamed in the hard dry fashion by an organized computer program targeting strategic electoral votes. And the Communist Party USA is taking all the praise for winning the election.

If a person needed a focal point for giving something back there is a group right out in the open.


8 posted on 11/11/2012 3:56:22 PM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: camle
when are we gonna learn? the more technology we apply to the situation, the more opportunity for fraud we are building into it.

There's one solution which would work and one only. We need to get rid of the secret ballot. When I vote, my name, contact info, some sort of a unique ID number, and vote should go into a national database and ANYBODY should be able to do his own tally and any two tallies should produce the same number and outcome. That would fix the problem and I can't think of anything else which would.

9 posted on 11/11/2012 4:15:20 PM PST by varmintman (November Sixth || Obunga is Through || Bork Obunga || Before He Borks You || Burma Shave)
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To: CriticalThinking

Yeah right after the were caught cheating across the board with no repercussions


10 posted on 11/11/2012 4:36:29 PM PST by ronnie raygun (BB)
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To: CriticalThinking

Thumbprint votes were good enough for Iraq, remember? So why not do something like that here?

Thumb and fingerprint scanners are good to go. When you get registered, they scan your finger or thumb. Then when you vote they do it again.

For people who are shut ins or invalid, when they insert a thumb or finger into the scanner, a picture is taken of their face, along with a GPS coordinate, to insure they are conscious and aware and are where they are said to be.

The way this can be done without violating the heck out of privacy is for the issuing state to restrict access to the fingerprint database to “for election purposes only”. This means they do not share with the police, federal government or private company, except when the state board of elections determines vote fraud has occurred.


11 posted on 11/11/2012 4:40:59 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: varmintman

Yeah, something similar worked great for Stalin and Hitler....


12 posted on 11/11/2012 5:01:02 PM PST by Kozak (The means of defence again.t foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: camle
"...whoever writes the program wil be under pressure either professionally (by the company) or personally (directly, by both parties) to write something that favors their party. it is really quite easy to write something untracable to guarantee a win for the highest bidder."

There is no need to write a program. A person proves eligibility such as citizenship and age, then they get a registration number just like an Ebay or NetFlix account. Then they vote - ONCE!

13 posted on 11/11/2012 5:14:52 PM PST by Baynative
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To: CriticalThinking



Sign the petition for a recount:

http://www.petition2congress.com/8222/petition-recount-on-2012-presidential-election/

Visit this site. They are keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:

http://www.ObamaVoterFraud.com/






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Photo of Ethiopians brought to Ohio voting stations by busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket

https://www.facebook.com/lori.patriot/posts/404694619604138



Must watch videos!


VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Hbf3iaEbAuY



VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ILJDudUpct0



VIDEO- Michael Savage: How Obama fixed the 2012 election: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dmJtaOO2etc



VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ILJDudUpct0



VIDEO- Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud: http://www.youtube.com/watch? feature=player_embedded&v=k_rMpQKqZhM





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We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.

We must act NOW.

Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.

We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....

We are FReepers. We must fight!

Those who shrug and accept this atrocity without a fight are not worthy to be called Freepers!




14 posted on 11/11/2012 5:17:35 PM PST by patriot08
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To: All

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Sign the petition for a recount:
http://www.petition2congress.com/8222/petition-recount-on-2012-presidential-election/

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Visit this site.
http://www.ObamaVoterFraud.com/

They are keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:
http://www.ObamaVoterFraud.com/

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SATURDAY UPDATES (Thurs and Fri fraud at site)

Military service members purged from voter rolls in Florida...
http://redflagnews.com/military-service-members-purged-from-voter-rolls-in-florida

Pundit Press: In Florida: Obama Got Over 99% in Broward County Precincts
http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/in-florida-obama-got-over-99-in-broward.html?spref=fb

TRR: Allen West Seeks Recount Amid Growing Vote Count Scandal
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/nov/9/allen-west-asks-recount-amid-growing-vote-count-sc/

[This is the same St. Lucie that has 141.1% voter turnout affecting both Romney and West...]

St. Lucie County - 84 juridictions, 83 of them had 121-166% turn out
http://www.slcelections.com/Pdf%20Docs/2012%20General/GEMS%20SOVC%20REPORT.pdf

Nevada Unions Are Regestering Illegals and Forcing Them to Vote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMGd50sZG4g&feature=share

The video suggests that this method was the only way Harry Reid was able to defeat challenger Sharon Angle in 2010 to retain his Senate seat and continues to be used.

via Jewel on Facebook: “Could you please help us? There is a petition for a recount and it takes 28,000 signatures. We are all promoting it and would love to have you on our side. The link to sign the petition is:”
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpetitions.whitehouse.gov%2Fpetition%2Frecount-election%2FZQmy0Mlv%23thank-you%3Dp&h=4AQEgo5BK

Another petition, this one to Congress:
http://www.petition2congress.com/8222/petition-recount-on-2012-presidential-election/

You can also request that Reince Preibus of the GOP start a swing state recount based on information available at this website and as part of ORCA (Thanks Shirley!):
http://www.gop.com/contact-us/

I’ve added links to all three petitions to the sidebar at the top of this page and expect to add more.

Voter Fraud by the numbers? Absolutely
http://www.altadenagroup.com/CSIA/post_details.asp?p_ID=10774

Thank you to everyone who is sharing this page! As of Saturday morning, we are getting about 3,000 visitors an hour. You are making a difference!

SUNDAY UPDATES

This one is MUST SEE:

“Obama won 100% of the 900,135 votes cast in Cuyahoga County OH! No votes from new registered voters or indies went to Mitt. Voting officials SHOULD BE ARRESTED BY OUR MILITARY FOR SEDITION & PERPETRATING A FRAUD AGAINST ALL OF AMERICA. A CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT WILL BE FILED against the networks for not telling the truth! view pic.”
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3474982207064&set=a.1633846179814.70439.1646473511&type=1&theater

Summary Photo
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/534531_3474982207064_881171232_n.jpg

Throw out this all-fraud county and Mitt wins Ohio, no question!

Why? A total of 5,364,324 “people” voted in Ohio. Obama got 2,691,861 votes, while Romney got 2,584,620, a difference of 107,241 votes.

How did Cuyahoga County’s 900,135 votes affect the final result? You do the math.

For Ohio to certify this result would be a crime in and of itself.

Thank you to the Examiner for mentioning us!

Citing voter fraud, petition at White House web site demands recount of election
http://www.examiner.com/article/citing-voter-fraud-petition-at-white-house-web-site-demands-recount-of-election

Thanks also to The Competent Conservative for quoting us in entirety!

Is There Enough Evidence of Voter Fraud To Merit a Recount?
http://thecompetentconservative.com/is-there-enough-evidence-of-voter-fraud-to-merit-a-recount/

Much more to come! As one of our commenters below said, voter fraud is like cockroaches. You find one and they are likely everywhere. Cuyahoga County, Ohio is obviously not alone!

Here is a petition you can sign at Change.org to request a full recount. I suggest we just focus on the swing states, but it is true that many Congressional and Senate races are also affected, from Allen West to, I believe, Mia Love. Mia was up by 10% the week before the election and lost by 3,000 votes to Matheson in a state that went 73% for Romney. Not likely!

http://www.change.org/petitions/united-states-federal-election-commission-we-demand-a-full-recount-of-the-2012-presidential-election

Military votes not counted?
http://nera.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=191%3Amilitary-ballots-not-counted&catid=81%3Ablog1&Itemid=148

The Columbus Dispatch reports, “Voter rolls in Ohio are bloated, experts say”
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/09/16/voter-rolls-in-ohio-are-bloated-experts-say.html

An update on St. Lucie County, Florida:
http://watchdogwire.com/florida/2012/11/10/update-massive-voter-fraud-in-st-lucie-county-florida-called-into-question-141-turnout/

Video: More fraud from Florida, including kicking out an elderly poll observer doing his job using the police:
http://www.bizpacreview.com/elections-supervisor-calls-police-to-kick-elderly-allen-west-ballot-observer-out/

Townhall blogger Rachel Alexander reports:

Obama Likely Won Re-Election Through Election Fraud
http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2012/11/11/obama_likely_won_reelection_through_election_fraud

The Washington Times: Florida Vote Twist: More Ballots Than Voters
http://m.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/nov/10/florida-vote-twist-more-ballots-voters/

Here is a link to Allen West’s press release on the voter fraud situation in Florida:
http://bit.ly/TCYnUe

Newsmax reports: Voter Fraud Charges Begin in Ohio

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ohio-voter-registration-fraud/2012/11/03/id/462674

Darin Southam recommends TrueTheVote.org for some pre-election indications of potential voter fraud, but the page understates what actually happened in pretty much every swing state.
http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures

And what do you think of this? This was way before the election, but apparently George Soros, who we have already established rigged an election in Hungary and was banned for it AND helped get Obama elected the first time... I’ll let you read the headline:

“Soros advises Obama to use forceful measures to override the will of the people”
http://redwhitebluenews.com/?p=12336

I think this goes well beyond the 900+ executive orders that go around Congress, more than three times the executive orders given by all previous US Presidents combined. We saw it in action Tuesday, November 6th!

A Tea Party group has posted this article, with interesting stats and some criticism for Romney for not standing up and doing something about it yet:
http://teapartyorg.ning.com/m/discussion?id=4301673%3ATopic%3A1108645

Personally I think as the case is strong enough, Mitt will do something. Too much is at stake, and as we just found out, Ohio is definitely Mitt’s, and Florida, too, just based on fraud in a few counties! Colorado, too!

Keep up the referrals and the sharing, everyone! Thank you SO much for helping America fix an election that has clearly been “fixed.”

Voter fraud cheapens the votes of the 60 million who picked Mitt to the point of nothingness and gives weight to those who in reality were the minority. If grand theft is defined as any theft over $5,000, what do you call the ONE BILLION times that that is likely to happen AGAIN over the next four years if we do not right this wrong?

Here is to our real President Elect and First Lady, Mitt and Ann Romney.

Posted by Jed M. Merrill at 1:56 PM 68 comments:


15 posted on 11/11/2012 5:18:26 PM PST by patriot08
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To: CriticalThinking
Png for later when I can stand reading this. I am very upset by it all.
16 posted on 11/11/2012 5:19:49 PM PST by wintertime
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To: varmintman
The founding fathers saw no need for the secret ballot (the freedom of expressing your political choice is the ultimate application of the first amendment). The first and second amendments go hand in hand with the "stand up and be counted" approach of townhall meetings.

The secret ballot was imported with late immigrants who were used to hiding their opinions from the ruling class. Those who claim that the secret ballot protects against voter intimidation apparently do not make political contributions, apply bumper stickers, post yard signs or attend rallies. The secret ballot has always been used as a means of corrupting the political process.

If you can verify that your vote was counted correctly, no one can change it or delete it. An open ballot also makes it easy to catch "voting" by dead or imaginary persons or non citizens. An easy implementation of an open ballot would be an online list with totals by precinct, county and state. If every individual had the capability of verifying his own vote (and those of people he knew), there would be no requirement for massive amounts of manpower to perform the task.

There is no doubt that Obama stole this election. To assume otherwise is to assume that the average American is incredibly stupid and/or corrupt, and that any further resistance to the communist in the White House is futile.

Of the many ways that the Democrats committed fraud this time, the most egregious is the undercount of Republican votes. This can be addressed by citizens standing up to declare how they actually voted. Trying to be "safe" by hiding behind the skirts of yet another anonymous poll or secret ballot will accomplish nothing, since the anonymous votes will be manipulated again.

To those who fear that an open ballot will lead to a Hitler or Stalin: What do we have now? We need an open ballot while we still have the second amendment.
17 posted on 11/11/2012 5:47:30 PM PST by Ragnar54 (Obama replaced Osama as America's worst enemy)
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To: BwanaNdege

No higher form of treason than voter fraud - kill them and it won’t take long to put integrity back into the system.


18 posted on 11/12/2012 2:56:03 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: varmintman

sure, get rid of the secret ballot! that way the winning candidate has proof of who his enemies are, and can act accordingly...


19 posted on 11/12/2012 4:30:07 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Baynative

paper ballots, photo ID, finger dipping. that’ll handle most frauds. and more controls over absentee ballots


20 posted on 11/12/2012 4:31:41 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Kozak; Ragnar54; camle
Say whatever you want, if there ever was an age when our voting system made sense, a whole lot of water has gone over the dam since then.

There's actually a better way.

The better way would involve biometrics and P2P technology. A normal person could keep his info and vote preferences on his OWN computer and idiots could keep theirs on some trusted system at a public facility of some sort, possibly a libhrary. A call to tally would work the same way as a request for "You Ain't Nothin But a Hound-Dog" on Kazaa or Bittorrent and, funny thing, ANYBODY could do such a tally and all such tallies should match.

A person would have to produce a valid finger to vote but that sort of device is a $100 add on with government laptops and we could afford it.

21 posted on 11/19/2012 10:11:47 AM PST by varmintman
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