Skip to comments.REACHING OUT
Posted on 11/11/2012 3:44:20 PM PST by 7thson
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Hard to say. Personally, I will start shaming my fellow latinos. Ask them, if they are truly Christian, why would they support a party that promotes killing innocent children and homosexuality. Ask them, why would they go the way of the indios, and be bought by shiny things and mirrors. Ask them if they have any self-respect.
>> What precisously does the Republican Party need to say to these groups in order to get their votes? Are we suppose to outbid the Leftists?<<
1. More free stuff
2. Open borders
3. Government takes care of you from birth to death
4. Work is optional
5. Morality is a fiction
Reaching out is a code phrase to adopt more democratic party policies.
Abandoning conservatism and offering minorities free stuff, amnesty, and open borders.
LO0K TO 2010!
GO TEA PARTY!
“Reach out” is code for “sell out.”
There have been a number of posts today indicating that Republicans and Democrats are in bed together.
The word is "precisely". Spell check, or a dictionary, would be your friend. Words counts, language/syntax count. Let's take it up a notch, ok?
That said....an interesting post you have made.
The subject of the thread:
>> what is meant by reaching out?
I don’t know if you, my FRiend, are male or female....but I’ll assume male.
In which case, I will say that you are a real man; ready to stand up for what is right and correct. I salute you.
Conservatism needs to become a 24/7 365 education process, especially in the Latino community and with women. Letting the left set the agenda and then showing up 30 days before the election to push public opinion doesn’t work in this day and age. From 2010 to 2012 we didn’t do enough of this. We assumed that as public opinion aligned with our views we could ride it to reelection. This was a primary error by the rnc and mitts campaign. It started during those debt limit debates in 2011. Our leaders got on tv and talked about process, not ideas every time the tv turns on, it must be to educate the voters and advance ideas
Let them suffer the results of their own stupidity.
Lady parts and tan skin isn’t going to protect them from what’s coming.
The left and the media really push the “conservatives are white supremacists” slander. We know it isn’t true, but none of the libs I talk to do. We need to fight back and do it directly.
We need to write and say over and over at every opportunity that arises, how sexist and racist the left is. We also need to laugh at them and say that minorities and women are too smart to fall for those kind of attempts to keep them from having a voice in the conservative movement and “vote supression tactics”.
Why are they so good at slander and we can’t even tell the truth?
Imho....repubs should talk more about the Hispanics who are here legally and are hard working. We all know them..we see them everyday. We need to quit talking like they all want welfare...it is not true. Do some...yes. but we should start honoring their hardwork because they do agree with us on social issues...we should also remind them of that.
I am sure many won’t like this and I understand.
I don’t know about reaching out but it is frustrating to try and talk with the left.
The left has spent so much time defining the right, it is hard to try and make a point with someone from the left quickly, because you must climb a mountain before you can even start on the issues. A person doesn’t always have all day, a week or whatever to try and sway and the frustration becomes enormous.
Why don’t we have as many documentaries mocking the left as they have of us? Why don’t we have documentaries showing the TRUE HISTORY of the democratic party. We have an image problem. If we can’t get past image easily, how can we talk issue?
We need to start getting in the colleges, we need to market ourselves and define ourselves and not let the left define us. I keep seeing anti-immigrant. That is a full on lie. But I see it over and over and over again.
I say much of our problem is not clearly defining ourselves and letting it be done to us. We have a marketing problem.
To me, “reaching out” is like “giving back”....a meaningless bit of twaddle.
Look at the Constitution. Then look at what the Congress people, president and supreme court, along with every single solitary military member swears to uphold when they are inaugurated.
Look at the Constitution.
Upholding the constitution is their job.
If morphing that into a competiion for votes for power seems to you, their employer, seems like it’s a good direction, then you can answer your won question.
If you think that the Republicans, who are finding themselves in a spider web trap made by “their friends from across the aisle”, and that they can actually win at that gam, as foolish a notion as that seems to be, then go ahead and reach out.
It always comes down to middle school politics. are they going to like you for joining up and keeping quiet, or are they going to throw you under the school bus when they are finished with you? Can you beat them at their own game, or are you going to be a bitter old qerson, obsessing that they won?
I’d like to see regular radio or tv spots during Oprah sort of shows, basketball games, soccer games -
promoting conservative ethics.
Positives about responsible gun ownership, teacher accountability, choosing life, real marriage, lower taxes stimulating jobs, less regulations helping entrepreneurship, etc.
I think they need to be systematic and regular, so the reasons behind conservative positions sink in.
This will take money, but I think it would be worth it. Perhaps some super PACs could take it up. Remind people of the Republicans’ role in ending segregation and supporting civil rights, etc.
is a media code word(s) meant to define the republican party as racist.
When high profile appearances were given at the RNC convention to people who have achieved so much like Mia Love, Susana Martinez, Condi Rice, Marco Rubio, Artur Davis and others, they were defined by the media as "tokens" and/or "sell outs.
Reaching out is crap. It means to follow the lead of the democrats and start promising free stuff and special treatment. The republican party needs to get on with conservatism and keep selling one thing; LIBERTY. If that doesn't interest people the society is already lost.
I have decided I am throwing all civility out the window,just like the left has. All bets are off, I am going to treat them just like they do me.
If the Republicans reach out they will just get their arm broke off. I am done.
How about Hispanics, or anyone, who are here legally and who care about the laws and the culture of our land. Being here legally is a step, but not a guarnatee.
there are not enough rino’s to carry an election without conservatives, but they won’t run anyone that isn’t a rino so lots of people stay home and the media make a big deal of it, but for the wrong reasons...
Thanks. Yes, I am male. I would also like to point out to libs their weird views regarding the death penalty (usually against) and for abortion (for). The irony of the position makes it a low ‘hanging fruit’ with which to hit them. Wipe the smug from their faces.
I think we see the problem right here. Someone asks an intelligent question and immediately “ conservatives” here go into the they all want freebies crap. I won’t speak for horny college girls or Blacks, but I work with a number of Hispanics and they are as a group the hardest working, most family oriented people I know. They work all week and then do other things on weekends to make a little extra. None of them are asking for a handout.
If I was Hispanic and listened to the people on this forum and the Limbaugh’s and Ingraham’s of the world I wouldn’t want anything to do with those who are portrayed as the voice of conservatism. RR got 37% of the Hispanic vote and GWB got 45%. Arizona, Texas, NM and FL. have large Hispanic populations and GOP governors so it is not and impossibly to win them over. Of course calling them names and insulting them is not a great way to proceed.
Most Latinos are church-going, hard-working and family oriented. A Mexican laborer was asking me to explain why the government here pays grown men not to work. He leaves for work at 5 am and when he gets home after 3, he sees all these people who obviously don’t work. He told me a Latina cashier was explaining to him how she has a home and gets benefits as long as her boss doesn’t pay her over a certain amount. He is shocked that there are so many gaming the system. The way to reach more people like him, translate Rush, Michael Savage, Hannity into Spanish! Our message will more than resonate with the hard working people who see in their own neighborhoods the folly of the welfare state. Hard working people are the same everywhere.
Ronald Reagan reached out and did an amnesty deal and it NO GOOD . You will never be able to out bit the leftist as they will just offer more and more . Caving in will get them deeper into trouble with their conservative base that right now is having a hard enough time swallowing the garbage the Republicans are trying to pass off on us.
You can NOT win an election if your conservative base refuses to show up because they can’t tell the difference between the candidate one party puts up over the other.
You are just not hip enough to look cool playing Santa Clause so the ones holding their hands out are just going to grab what you offer and laugh in your face .
Forget the hispanic and black vote - you will never get it until you educate them . Stop letting the party of the KKK rewrite history .
You want to win ? Get voter id laws passed in all states and end early voting . No mail in ballots for anyone but the military stationed overseas. You can’t show up on voting day to bad it must mean you really don’t care enough . You don’t have picture id ? How the heck do you cash your checks , get into school or anything else.
You are losing because the other side does not care what it has to do to win and they will cheat any way they can .
Cave into this immigration mess and this country will never be anything ever again .
If the Republicans cave on Obamacare they can forget their base . We value life and that includes the lives of our elder relatives which they intend to deny medical care to .
We value life and have no desire to be forced to pay to murder the unborn children of others .
Give up on this and you can have fun trying to get any of us to show up to vote for you ever again .
You are correct to a point. More goodies will buy votes. But, you have to give more attractive goodies than the opposition party AND you have to have at least as good a propaganda system. A chronic and fatal weakness of the GOP is the lack of a good propaganda system to compete with the NYT, HuffPo, LATimes, NBC, etc. Each one is small but collectively they spread a lot of propaganda and they send the kind of simple sound-bite sized messages that typical voters can grasp. Add to that the generation’s greatest propagandists such as M Moore plus the entertainment industry, then throw in mandatory tax on wages (union dues) paid into a propaganda organization (the union) and you can see that even freebies will not be enough to achieve political wins.
Without a propaganda system at least that good, you can give out lots of free goodies and have little effect—remember the Medicare prescription drug program? 1980’s amnesty? Tax rebates under Bush?
I think you hit it precisely. Let me presume to finish that sentence another way: The left has spent so much time defining the right that there is no longer any common ground on which to debate. Let me repeat that last, depressing clause: there is no longer any common ground on which to debate. And they intend to keep it that way.
You've seen it; we've all experienced it. Your opponent claims that he believes in freedom and it turns out that every single one of his applications represents a claim on your freedom, on behalf of society, of Saving The Earth, of the Greater Good. He believe in freedom, yes, but only the freedom to agree with him. She claims to believe in free speech, but only her own - yours to the contrary is offensive and "hate speech" and hence permissible to suppress. He believes that the Black Congressional Caucus is an expression of free association but any White Caucus would be intolerably racist. Don't bother trying to counter any of these arguments from principle; the rejoinder is always that you only disagree out of some sort of mental pathology or self-interest when it's really only a refusal to accept fantasy for reality.
I've made it very clear to my (nearly all) liberal relatives that politics is off the table for now for just that reason: we have no common ground. For some reason that seems to alarm them although I do not know why, exactly. Most of them haven't put much more thought into it than "hooray, my side won and those conservative meanies lost." And I don't argue politics with children.
The Repubs have “reached out” for decades and have the most amazing and accomplished members of most groups. It doesn’t matter if you can’t get the message out and you don’t have a propaganda system to match or beat that of your opposition party.
Anyway, “hardworking” has nothing to do with it.
Especially when they send their “hard-earned money” whatever that is, to their country of origin to be circulated in that country and not this one.
Do they have any concept of the Constitution and our laws , culture and language, or do they abuse it? It’s one or the other.
reaching out= pandering.
According to the Center for Immigration Studies, 79% of Mexican illegals with children and 71% of all illegals with children receive some form of government assistance.
The reason is: they know they are wrong.
Who woulda thunk!
What a dis-grace the spineless rino’s have become.
The democrats stole the election, so focus on the truth, not the communist propaganda.
OTOH, a lot of liberals consider being pro-life and pro-death penalty to be a contradiction.
I do not talk to leftists much because I get tired of the cursing and name calling after a few minutes. However, if the individual is not a full bore leftist, what do you think of starting off with the left is lying to you about - and mention the topic? If you say they are lying and then lay out the facts, what do you think about that?
Tell everyone the truth about what our Constitutional Republic is supposed to look like.
Forget about “reaching out” to groups who identify more with their race/national origin/sex etc than being an American.
The Rs need to be courageous, principled, truthful and mission oriented (and I don’t mean just winning and that’s it). Not corrupt self serving cowards who are actual socialist-lite.
Then they’ll win elections and have a reason to do so.
Exactly, the Liberals have fulfilled their fantasy of destroying capitalism. I suggest atlas should shrug, go get his EBT card and Obamaphone and head out to Colorado where he can smoke a joint while waiting in line to see an Obamacare doctor who will put him on permanent disability so he can collect SSDI, then he can head to Washington State and marry his life partner Hercules, where they can raise thier eugenically created daughter Julia who will be coddled by government through her life perpetuating this cycle of government dependency.
America is done.
Second, yes you are right - they are hard working. I have said for years that there is something wrong with shipping back people who want to work while our own citizens sit on their collective butts and collect welfare. I think part of the problem is not explaining immigration policy correctly.
We don’t want every hispanic. We want the ones who agree with us. It isn’t enough to win elections if your ideas don’t win.
We are not about ethnicity, we are driven by ideas. Freedom. Limited government. Not everyone understands these ideas and only as their life experience leads them to understand them and want them will you gain their support.
Most people are looking for an earthly king. We already have a King; we are just looking for government to keep the roads paved.
Just finished the book Breitbart published just before his death.
You are correct in what you say, but it’s even worse than that.
Breitbart pointed out very clearly that the true war is not a political battle. In the long run elections are not relevant.
The true war is cultural, always has been, always will be.
We have abandoned the culture-making organs of our society to the Left for over half a century, assuming that enough Americans would always see thru their propaganda to allow us to compete politically.
We were wrong. We have to compete culturally, and unfortunately I don’t think anybody but Breitbart had a clue how to go about it. The most depressing part is that shifting a culture is a decades-long process and we are presently WAY behind the curve and going backwards.
One of the old Greek philosphers said that he didn’t care who made the laws if he could write the songs. Look who’s been making the popular music for 50 years.
Why translate into Spanish? Why can’t they take the time to learn English? Is that not part of the problem?
"Reaching Out" means republicans should get in a bidding war with democrats to see who will promise the most free stuff to the "Free Stuff Army".
That’s an awesome post right there. Rock on !!
Crap. How about reaching out to more married whites with families and getting 95% of their vote like Obama does for ‘his people’?
If I weren't already a Republican, the party could "reach out" to me by talking to my brain and not to my heart...or other bits.
If I were black or Hispanic, I think the words that would appeal to me from the GOP would be about personal responsibility and taking pride in one's self. I am always offended on behalf of the black democrats who don't seem to be bothered by the notion that they need the government to take care of them. They see only the free stuff, but don't seem to recognize the real message of the racist Dems: "We think you are too stupid and lazy to hold down jobs, buy homes within your price range, and generally take care of yourselves. But don't worry, we will take care of you."
I don't understand the lack of pride within the majority of the black community. Black people are capable of so much more than the Democrats give them credit for being. I wish they could see it and see how they are being taken for granted and kept on the plantation. They would rise up and shock the Dems. I would love to have a platform to ask a large group of black voters if they are stupid and lazy, as the Dems seems to think they are.
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