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Ron Paul: A New Beginning
Zerohedge.com ^ | 11-11-2012 | Ron Paul (Via Tyler Durden)

Posted on 11/11/2012 5:29:55 PM PST by Renfield

America is over $16 trillion in debt. The “official” unemployment rate still hovers around 8%.

Our federal government claims the right to spy on American citizens, indefinitely detain them, and even assassinate them without trial.

Domestic drones fly over the country for civilian surveillance.

Twelve million fewer Americans voted in 2012 than in 2008, yet political pundits scratch their heads.

It’s not hard to see why, though.

To go along with endorsing a never-ending policy of bailouts, “stimulus packages,” and foreign military adventurism, the establishment of neither major party questions the assaults on Americans’ liberties I’ve named above.

As my campaign showed, the American people are fed up. Many realized heading into Tuesday that regardless of who won the presidential election, the status quo would be the real victor.

GOP leadership is now questioning why they didn’t perform better.

They’re looking at demographic changes in the United States and implying minorities can only be brought into the party by loudly advocating for abandoning what little remains of their limited government platform and endorsing more statist policies.

My presidential campaign proved that standing for freedom brings people together.

Liberty is popular – regardless of race, religion, or creed.

As long as the GOP establishment continues to not only reject the liberty message, but actively drive away the young, diverse coalition that supports those principles, it will see results similar to Tuesday’s outcome.

A renewed respect for liberty is the only way forward for the Republican Party and for our country.

I urge all my Republican colleagues to join the liberty movement in fighting for a brighter future.


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gop; liberty; paul; ronpaul; ronpaul2012
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To: nonsporting

Gov. Bob McDonnell? National Review’s Rich Lowry?


21 posted on 11/11/2012 6:13:43 PM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Then why did the majority of blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Jews, etc., vote for Obama?

Because (a) they were brainwashed, or (b) they rightly determined that Mitt Romney was a fraud in what he claimed.

22 posted on 11/11/2012 6:17:00 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
they were brainwashed they rightly determined

You must be one of the brainwashed!

23 posted on 11/11/2012 6:27:18 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (USA!)
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To: OneWingedShark; Jim Robinson

You quote from the “Libertarian” platform:

“We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.”

This is EXACTLY what makes them LIBERTINE. This allows all kinds of unrestrained immoral behavior like OPEN Homoseuxality in the military, etc. etc.

Don’t invoke God, accept at your own peril. You stand judged and condemned by HIM already....you don’t have to wait until “judgement day.” Scripture is clear that such behavior is a DIRECT affront to God...and those that practice it are ALLOW it are already guilty. God ordained government to restrain such wickedness....not allow it.

Libertarians are NOT conservatives...they just share some common enemies with them and have some limited shared interests. However, Libertarians/Libertines don’t belong in the GOP. Wack job Ron Paul and his offspring (if he shares his daddy’s wacky ideas) are just a blight on the GOP. They mislead the young and naive and give aid and comfort to evil doers.

There is NO liberty in the depravity that Libertarians(libertines) will allow. Living in Sodom is not living.


24 posted on 11/11/2012 6:28:45 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Crimson Elephant

It is wrong no matter which side has the power,
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Hear! Hear!

I also curse Bush for The Patriot Act.


25 posted on 11/11/2012 6:31:43 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: FerociousRabbit

“Christmas is right around the corner and I happen to like fruit cake!”

You have been drinking too much of that illegal distilled Kentucky “spring water.” Your brains are addled, and your moral judgement warped.


26 posted on 11/11/2012 6:33:00 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Theoria
Thanks. Only those two? How widespread is this among the so-called Right? Left? Which ideology likes a big, invasive govt? Should one generalize from the predilections of a few?

As disturbing as drones are, I am more concerned about the widespread surveillance society we are already steeped in. All those in favor of big gov surveillance in all its forms, please raise your right hands.

Global Surceillance? you're Living in It.

27 posted on 11/11/2012 6:39:34 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: Sola Veritas

You hijacked conservative and then tell conservatives they are not conservative


28 posted on 11/11/2012 6:40:25 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Renfield
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29 posted on 11/11/2012 6:58:04 PM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: Sola Veritas
Wow you utterly miss the point -- which is that it is not the government's place to enforce morality, that way was already tried and doesn't work, the only thing that does work is the transformative power of Jesus Christ, and guess what! His church is is alive and well completely independently of any government's stance (there are many which outlaw or severely restrict Christianity).

Don’t invoke God, accept at your own peril.

It's 'except'.

You stand judged and condemned by HIM already....you don’t have to wait until “judgement day.”

No, I do not; He is my savior and who are you to claim any differently?

Scripture is clear that such behavior is a DIRECT affront to God...and those that practice it are ALLOW it are already guilty.

Sin itself is what makes one guilty; and if the acceptance of homosexuality by government was enough to withhold salvation from a people the Greeks wouldn't have been saved -- but there are many mentions of Greek Christians in the new testament.

The Bible is also clear that murderers are not inheritors of the kingdom of Heaven, and that the Apostle Paul considered himself a murderer -- does that mean that he had no part of the Kingdom of God?

>God ordained government to restrain such wickedness....not allow it.

God also ordained it to uphold justice -- does ours?
I contend that the best, and only lasting way to defeat homosexuality and the like is not through Law but through Jesus -- or do you wish to deny the power of God to change people?

30 posted on 11/11/2012 6:58:17 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: FerociousRabbit

Here is how the libertarian party rolls.

Anybody so hard left that they were of the libertarian party, is a nut case.

Libertarian Party Platform:

Throw open the borders completely and shut down the Border Patrol and INS; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”.

Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.

Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments.

Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.

Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, and anything new that science can come up with, zero restrictions.

Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.

Military Strength; minimal capabilities.


31 posted on 11/11/2012 6:58:29 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: nonsporting
I expect the public to accept the use of domestic drones more once the use of drones is incorporated more into the sheeples tv shows.

TV has dramatically helped to alter what is acceptable and not to the populace. A cursory view of today's cop drama shows incorporate illegally breaking into houses, torturing the accused, planting evidence, searches without warrants and other abused by Gov't.

Some might think this is merely good drama, but it does serve to obscure the lines of Constitutional protections and rights.

By in large I suspect domestic drones are not ok by the 'right'. Not by grounds of personal privacy and such, but merely because Obama is in the WH. What is acceptable or not is often skewed by who is in charge and what political party is in power.

32 posted on 11/11/2012 6:59:05 PM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: Sola Veritas
so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.”

The logical path from this to open homosexuality in the military goes through some sort of extra-dimensional worm-hole into another universe. Maybe it is LSD induced.

33 posted on 11/11/2012 6:59:11 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Alaska Wolf

>You must be one of the brainwashed!

Nope.
Let me put it another way: are you going to follow a guy who doesn’t believe in what he says? — if there were any undecided, they wouldn’t vot for Romney because he didn’t _believe_ in anything he said.
Mitt Romney was *never* the conservative that he fronted during the campaign, and it was obvious that the GOP-e was pushing him with the hopes that the “hold you nose and vote” Republicans would get him in office — he was never a moderate, he is and was a liberal, the GOP-e pushed him because they, too, are liberal (though they try to act differently their actions show the truth).


34 posted on 11/11/2012 7:02:20 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

This is the actual, 2004 text of the Libertarian Party Platform on immigration, which is still current, and is the same as it has always been, it is their permanent position.

COMPLETE PLATFORM TEXT
INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL ORDER

IMMIGRATION:
The Issue: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.

The Principle: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.

Solutions: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.

Transitional Action: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.


35 posted on 11/11/2012 7:08:07 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: OneWingedShark
are you going to follow a guy

I'm not following anybody, especially a liberty hating POS like Obama.

Mitt Romney was *never* the conservative

Is or was Obama?

the GOP-e pushed him

Pushed? After Bachmann, Cain, Gingrich, Pawlenty and Santorum fell by the wayside?

36 posted on 11/11/2012 7:12:45 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (USA!)
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To: OneWingedShark
"lib·er·tine       [lib-er-teen, -tin]
noun
  1. a person who is morally or sexually unrestrained, especially a dissolute man; a profligate; rake."

This must be why Ron Paul voted to destroy the integrity of the United States military by helping to pass the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, aye?

Libertarians like RP represent the libertine agenda.  The libertine agenda is destroying America.

 

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37 posted on 11/11/2012 7:13:40 PM PST by CaptainKrunch (Freedom does not promise safety and security, freedom only promises freedom.)
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To: ansel12

I didn’t say they were right on everything, nor that I agreed with them; just that Libertarian and Libertine are really two different things.


38 posted on 11/11/2012 7:19:51 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

>>Mitt Romney was *never* the conservative
>
>Is or was Obama?

Irrelevant; there were other candidates one could vote for.
A better question is: if you are against socialism why would you vote for Romney?

>the GOP-e pushed him
>
>Pushed? After Bachmann, Cain, Gingrich, Pawlenty and Santorum fell by the wayside?

Yes. They *did* push Romney — do you remember how they retroactively changed rules for the primaries to deny Ron Paul delegates to the RNC?
Do you remember the texts of the proposed rule-changes at the RNC? Do you remember the teleprompter incident at the RNC? Do you remember the refusal to seat delegates?


39 posted on 11/11/2012 7:23:21 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

The founding fathers were conservatives, not libertarians. RP’s mantle of “Mr. Constitution” does not square with the founding fathers of this nation.


40 posted on 11/11/2012 7:24:47 PM PST by CaptainKrunch (Freedom does not promise safety and security, freedom only promises freedom.)
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