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To: Sola Veritas
lib·er·tar·i·an       [lib-er-tair-ee-uhn]
noun
  1. a person who advocates liberty, especially with regard to thought or conduct.
  2. a person who maintains the doctrine of free will (distinguished from necessitarian).
versus
lib·er·tine       [lib-er-teen, -tin]
noun
  1. a person who is morally or sexually unrestrained, especially a dissolute man; a profligate; rake.
  2. a freethinker in religious matters.
  3. a person freed from slavery in ancient Rome.

But even if you reject the dictionary, the Libertarian party's own platform says:

We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.

And I agree with that -- it is not the government's place to dictate -- beyond basic, general, and necessarily broad terms -- how a person should live (via law). On the Last Day, it is God before whom men stand, not before government.


Why the ping to Jim? Because I disagree with you?

19 posted on 11/11/2012 6:11:10 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark; Jim Robinson

You quote from the “Libertarian” platform:

“We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.”

This is EXACTLY what makes them LIBERTINE. This allows all kinds of unrestrained immoral behavior like OPEN Homoseuxality in the military, etc. etc.

Don’t invoke God, accept at your own peril. You stand judged and condemned by HIM already....you don’t have to wait until “judgement day.” Scripture is clear that such behavior is a DIRECT affront to God...and those that practice it are ALLOW it are already guilty. God ordained government to restrain such wickedness....not allow it.

Libertarians are NOT conservatives...they just share some common enemies with them and have some limited shared interests. However, Libertarians/Libertines don’t belong in the GOP. Wack job Ron Paul and his offspring (if he shares his daddy’s wacky ideas) are just a blight on the GOP. They mislead the young and naive and give aid and comfort to evil doers.

There is NO liberty in the depravity that Libertarians(libertines) will allow. Living in Sodom is not living.


24 posted on 11/11/2012 6:28:45 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: OneWingedShark

This is the actual, 2004 text of the Libertarian Party Platform on immigration, which is still current, and is the same as it has always been, it is their permanent position.

COMPLETE PLATFORM TEXT
INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL ORDER

IMMIGRATION:
The Issue: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.

The Principle: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.

Solutions: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.

Transitional Action: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.


35 posted on 11/11/2012 7:08:07 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: OneWingedShark
"lib·er·tine       [lib-er-teen, -tin]
noun
  1. a person who is morally or sexually unrestrained, especially a dissolute man; a profligate; rake."

This must be why Ron Paul voted to destroy the integrity of the United States military by helping to pass the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, aye?

Libertarians like RP represent the libertine agenda.  The libertine agenda is destroying America.

 

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37 posted on 11/11/2012 7:13:40 PM PST by CaptainKrunch (Freedom does not promise safety and security, freedom only promises freedom.)
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