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To: Sola Veritas
Wow you utterly miss the point -- which is that it is not the government's place to enforce morality, that way was already tried and doesn't work, the only thing that does work is the transformative power of Jesus Christ, and guess what! His church is is alive and well completely independently of any government's stance (there are many which outlaw or severely restrict Christianity).

Don’t invoke God, accept at your own peril.

It's 'except'.

You stand judged and condemned by HIM already....you don’t have to wait until “judgement day.”

No, I do not; He is my savior and who are you to claim any differently?

Scripture is clear that such behavior is a DIRECT affront to God...and those that practice it are ALLOW it are already guilty.

Sin itself is what makes one guilty; and if the acceptance of homosexuality by government was enough to withhold salvation from a people the Greeks wouldn't have been saved -- but there are many mentions of Greek Christians in the new testament.

The Bible is also clear that murderers are not inheritors of the kingdom of Heaven, and that the Apostle Paul considered himself a murderer -- does that mean that he had no part of the Kingdom of God?

>God ordained government to restrain such wickedness....not allow it.

God also ordained it to uphold justice -- does ours?
I contend that the best, and only lasting way to defeat homosexuality and the like is not through Law but through Jesus -- or do you wish to deny the power of God to change people?

30 posted on 11/11/2012 6:58:17 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

“Wow you utterly miss the point — which is that it is not the government’s place to enforce morality, that way was already tried and doesn’t work, the only thing that does work is the transformative power of Jesus Christ...”

In America, the government is the people. The people ARE responsible before God to enforce moral behavior in themselves and others in their country or face the “temporal judgement of God as a people (individuals face eternal judgement). So, the government, IS responsible to enforce standards of behavior (AKA Morality). Old Testament concepts are NOT gone by Jesus Christ’s advent...they are fulfilled. However, the concept that allowing “Molech” to continue will cause the land to “vomit you out” remains true today.

Now is being “moral” make one a Christian? No, of course not. Nor can I by law make one inwardly “moral.” Of course not again. However, I can MOST CERTAINLY restrain wickedness in behavior under the penallty of law. That IS RIGHT AND PROPER. In fact to fail to do so is to invite God’s judgement on the land as I have previously stated.

The ONLY thing you have said that was proper is that only Jesus Christ can “transform” a man internally. All the laws, even well enforced, can save a soul.....only the Lord Jesus Christ can do that.

Bu, I am NOT trying nor advocating to use government to save souls, but to restrain evil doers that are unsaved (unregenerate) to make this country worth living in - and safe for the rest of us. Libertarians create a “sewer world” by allowing such vile things as prostitution, etc. I don’t one my child or grandchildren to have to be exposed to pornography, prositution, etc. etc. etc. that libertarians would allow. I know GOD AGREES.


41 posted on 11/11/2012 7:26:11 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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