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To: OneWingedShark

The founding fathers were conservatives, not libertarians. RP’s mantle of “Mr. Constitution” does not square with the founding fathers of this nation.


40 posted on 11/11/2012 7:24:47 PM PST by CaptainKrunch (Freedom does not promise safety and security, freedom only promises freedom.)
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To: CaptainKrunch
The founding fathers were conservatives, not libertarians. RP’s mantle of “Mr. Constitution” does not square with the founding fathers of this nation.

Hm...

  1. I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
  2. The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.
  3. The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive.
  4. To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.
  5. [Political] offices are as acceptable here as elsewhere, and whenever a man cast a longing eye on them, a rottenness begins in his conduct.
  6. Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty.
  7. The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
  8. A wise and frugal government which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.
– Thomas Jefferson

  1. Mankind will in time discover that unbridled majorities are as tyrannical and cruel as unlimited despots.
  2. Power always thinks... that it is doing God's service when it is violating all his laws.
  3. Fear is the foundation of most governments.
  4. There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.
  5. A government of laws, and not of men.
  6. In politics the middle way is none at all.
  7. Property is surely a right of mankind as real as liberty.
– John Adams


I'm sure I could find more, but the Founders really were more about liberty than any previous government that I'm aware of. It is a disservice to say that they were not libertarians (words have actual meanings), though I will admit the Libertarian-party didn't exist then and likely wouldn't have been popular... but then again, the founders were, under England, freer than we are today as Americans.


RP’s mantle of “Mr. Constitution” does not square with the founding fathers of this nation.

So long as he encourages people to read and understand the Constitution, I'd say he's a sight bit better than many in office... and I would include Justice Roberts in that list of people.

48 posted on 11/11/2012 7:56:07 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: CaptainKrunch
The Founders, even the more authoritarian ones like Hamilton, favored a limited role for the Federal government, primarily foreign affairs and defense, including nonintervention in overseas conflicts where the U.S. was not attacked, a gold and silver backed currency, an unregulated market economy, and no charity except through churches and private individuals. The Founders were far closer to what we would call today libertarians than conservatives, who for te most part would have fit in well with the liberals of the Kennedy-Johnson days than with the Founders or even the conservatives of that time, of the Taft-Goldwater stripe.
68 posted on 11/12/2012 6:19:16 AM PST by Wallace T.
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