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Allow Alaskans a free and open election to decide whether or not Alaska should Secede
Whitehouse.gov ^ | 11/11/2012 | White House.gov

Posted on 11/11/2012 6:24:54 PM PST by JohnKinAK

here is a commonly held belief across Alaska, that the US Constitution has been set aside, and other then ourselves, there are no protections to the liberty and freedoms we are to have as our continued inheritance since the formation of the Union of the "several States". Our main "goal" is a legal vote and ballot; one that was not given in 1958 and was in violation of International Law and Treaty. Alaskans were robbed of the choices we were to have as a non-self-governing territory, and steam-rolled into the current classification of a State. The Native population of Alaska, in a large percentage, did not even receive a ballot because of the Federal Voting Rights Act in place. Alaskans now seek to a statewide free election to decide whether Alaska should be a free and Independent Nation.


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A whole national movement of petitions to annoy the White House.
1 posted on 11/11/2012 6:25:01 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK

Doesn’t the Feds own most of the territory in Alaska thus what size would AK be should it remove itself from the USA?


2 posted on 11/11/2012 6:29:16 PM PST by deport
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To: JohnKinAK

North to Alaska.
North, the rush is on.


3 posted on 11/11/2012 6:31:28 PM PST by posterchild (Remember that thou art dust, and to dust thou shalt return.)
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To: JohnKinAK

I’ve seen a Louisiana and a Texas Petition, so far. Probably many more to come.


4 posted on 11/11/2012 6:33:43 PM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted.)
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To: deport

“Doesn’t the Feds own most of the territory in Alaska thus what size would AK be should it remove itself from the USA?”

Well, first off it wouldn’t be called Alaska. It would be called East Russia.


5 posted on 11/11/2012 6:34:45 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Media goes nuts in 2004 because Bush went to the dentist 20 years ago. Benghazi? Nothing.)
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To: JohnKinAK

Well I suppose they could offer to sell it back to Russia


6 posted on 11/11/2012 6:42:07 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: EQAndyBuzz
It would be called East Russia.

Am I crazy for thinking life would be better under Putin than Baraq Hussein?

7 posted on 11/11/2012 6:43:17 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy: 2016)
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To: JohnKinAK

If this was serious, the Alaskans would arrange their own vote - not ask the White House.
However, it may be a movement by Native Americans to gain an autonomous region independent of the state and national government. Probably to claim oil that is currently held by the state or the Feds. Then the money goes to a small group of Natives instead of the whole state of Alaska.


8 posted on 11/11/2012 6:44:38 PM PST by tbw2
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To: carriage_hill

“I’ve seen a Louisiana and a Texas Petition, so far. Probably many more to come.’

Just looked and saw Georgia and Missouri as well...

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-missouri-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/Vd92R3YG

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-georgia-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/pgJ9JLY3


9 posted on 11/11/2012 6:45:59 PM PST by angelsonmyside
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To: JohnKinAK

I Alaska became it sown country, I’d be the first to move...


10 posted on 11/11/2012 6:48:16 PM PST by cherry
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To: JohnKinAK

Alaska can go ahead and leave. They already rec more in Federal funds than they return. The Federal Gov should sell off the federal lands to the highest bidder and let the Alaskans fend for themselves. Buh, bye.

Sorry...I know too many in Alaska to have any pity for their so called plite. Fooey. Just go.


11 posted on 11/11/2012 6:53:50 PM PST by conservaKate (R got it wrong in 2012. We must get it right in 2014 & 2016.)
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To: JohnKinAK

Why go to a “whitehouse.gov” site to put your name on a list there?


12 posted on 11/11/2012 6:57:32 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: nascarnation
“Am I crazy for thinking life would be better under Putin than Baraq Hussein”

YES certifiably batsh*t crazy

13 posted on 11/11/2012 6:57:40 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: nascarnation

In at least one way, no. They don’t have much truck with idiotic PC over there.


14 posted on 11/11/2012 6:58:29 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: montanajoe

I’m not so sure, thinking Russian Orthodox definitely beats Muslim....


15 posted on 11/11/2012 7:00:17 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy: 2016)
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To: conservaKate

thet had better learn to speak russian if they are truly serious about “wanting” to be a separate country cause they won’t be separate long before they are truly taken over by another country


16 posted on 11/11/2012 7:01:48 PM PST by ldish (Give me Freedom and Liberty or let's kick some a**!)
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To: JohnKinAK

When we moved to the MatSu from back east in early 90’s, I had a neighbor who had homesteaded his place in 42. Came to Alaska when he was like 20. He passed away a few years back at the age of 94, drove his van clear up to Eagle on the Yukon for a visit when he was 92 years old. He would tell me how it use to be when he first arrived, back when all the Anchorage people thought the Japanese were coming, ha ha. He said nowadays, Alaskans are all just becoming Americans; not radical freedom loving like the Gold Rush People were that were still alive when he came to Alaska. He also told me that during the statehood vote, most Alaskans didn’t want to become a state; wanted to remain like the Phillapines. Alaskans knew they couldn’t afford state govt, they’d be taxed to death. He said the feds brought in 20,000 military prior to the vote, then changed the law so that they could vote, why it passed. I really do think most Alaskans would vote to remain a state though, even all the Repubs; as we do have more freedom here than anywhere’s else in lower 48. I live in an unorganized borough, no local govt, no taxes, no LEOs, no services, nobody to call and complain to, and everybody thinking they run the show and everybody else telling them to shove it where the sun don’t shine. Everybody is armed for bear protection and has’nt been a murder in 30 years, no crime and a bunch of good Indians and kooky White People that would be locked up if they lived in the city. I couldn’t live anywheres else and really be happy.


17 posted on 11/11/2012 7:04:33 PM PST by Eska
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To: JohnKinAK

Only if they leave us their immediate past governor.


18 posted on 11/11/2012 7:05:24 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2016: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: ldish
they won’t be separate long before they are truly taken over by another country

I hear Canada is not nice this time of year.

(Take off, for the Great White North, eh?)

19 posted on 11/11/2012 7:05:25 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: cherry
I Alaska became it sown country, I’d be the first to move...

I'll have what he's drinking.

20 posted on 11/11/2012 7:12:43 PM PST by BipolarBob (I'm joining a Rastafarian cult group and moving to Jamaica.)
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To: nascarnation
Go there and you will see the average Russian hates America and Americans, there are 30-40 percent who want the USSR back and would go to real communism in a heartbeat. The majority of the people want Putin to be more Soviet style dictator than western style politician. I've been refused admittance to more than a few restaurants and shops because I am an American... the Russian mafia with their governments cooperation control most businesses and would sooner kill you than look at you I'm not trying to be an ass but anyone thinking Russia and living in Russia is better than here really is crazy...
21 posted on 11/11/2012 7:17:11 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: BipolarBob

Around 10 below as I type and supposed to get down to minus 25 by morning, and that ain’t cold. We’ll have 2-3 weeks minus 60 come January. Super nice summers, good hunting, fishing, just wonderful country without houses everywhere ya look. Actually , we get people move up every spring, can’t wait to leave soon as the roads open nx Spring, most just can’t handle it; others luv the Country. Sure is where we belong. I met Palin many years back in the MatSu. Only political I’d ever believe what she said, sure wish she was still our Governor, did good things here in Ak.


22 posted on 11/11/2012 7:20:24 PM PST by Eska
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To: JohnKinAK
Alaskan Independence Party
23 posted on 11/11/2012 7:20:34 PM PST by Species8472 (Stupid is supposed to hurt)
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To: deport

They gotta’ give back the part the USA owned though.


24 posted on 11/11/2012 7:22:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Eska
I have quite a few friends that live up there and come to Montana for the winters...its about the only other place most Montana natives would consider moving to. (personally I'm also partial to Texas but thats about it)
25 posted on 11/11/2012 7:28:06 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: angelsonmyside

And all of these at once make me think that this is a prank by some liberal trying to make conservatives look foolish. This has all the earmarks of a hoax.


26 posted on 11/11/2012 7:37:02 PM PST by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: Eska
As long as I have food and heat, the winter wouldn't bother me. I watch Gold Rush and think I'd like to have a crack at that. Gold panning that is. It's just a pipe dream though.
27 posted on 11/11/2012 7:40:53 PM PST by BipolarBob (I'm joining a Rastafarian cult group and moving to Jamaica.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

West Yukon and a new province of Canada


28 posted on 11/11/2012 7:49:26 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Eska

Alaska does have a strong Independent party support, there could be some serious thought and actions soon.

The problem of course would be the libs in Anchorage.

Actually I would be willing to bet if any state secedes it will be Alaska first.


29 posted on 11/11/2012 7:49:45 PM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: EQAndyBuzz

and watch it

dont give us any excuse

For the South will rise again...


30 posted on 11/11/2012 7:50:38 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: JohnKinAK

Google State Constitutional Conventions. Each State holds their own. It is tedious, but will avoid the bloodshed of our First Civil War.

NEVER ask the Damned US Federal Government for anything. They live in their own World, and only have the power over us that we allow them to have.

Elected Federal Politicians are fewer than 600 on a good day, and we are 300 MILLION everyday! DUH!


31 posted on 11/11/2012 7:52:15 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: conservaKate
.I know too many in Alaska

Did they pee in your fruit loops?

32 posted on 11/11/2012 7:54:34 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (USA!)
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To: montanajoe
Several locals in our community leave every November, come back February. I really like the Winter as much as Summers. Wife and I have our teaching degrees, so have taught in a few villages over the years. Our daughter went off to school in Texas last fall, called today and said it was 80 degrees; just too dang hot I'd say; and I couldn't chase wolves & caribou on the snowmachine either.

Ya know, we do have a bunch of Russkies in Ak, many came for economic reasons and they are now citizens chasing the American dream just like everybody else. They go back to visit relatives in Siberia, but are never moving back to Russia; they say everything, everything is better here. These are educated Russians of German heritage, their German ancestors have been second class citizens for 300 years and they find America so much more to their liking. Have a few for friends and they are conservatives, believe it or not. Their kids all speak perfect English, play sports, enrich Alaska too; but all the Russkies still believe in Russian Hockey, ha ha. I even know one who was in Afghanistan as a Russian. I can't wait to get him up with my Nephew who has been there himself several times. Most of the Russkies I have met are ok, quite appreciative of the USA.

33 posted on 11/11/2012 7:55:45 PM PST by Eska
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To: JohnKinAK

During the American revolution several ststes in New England area including MASS were going to suceed from the 13 colonies...

They had sent their young men and had been fighting and dying for years...

George Washington had made them certain promises or they thought he had or imagined he should and they hadnt been paid nor had they received any supplieds or armament or food from the Continental army..

The crops and farms and families back home were neglected and they were deserting in disgust..

a secret convention place and date was set and delegates from each of the 4 or 5 states were chosen to attend...

I dont remember what happened to cause the convention and the idea to be cancelled but George was in dangewr for a while of losing much of his ready army and the war...

anyhoo the War of Northern Agression was not the 1st time a few states had planned to suceed...

and now here again...

When in the course of human events...


34 posted on 11/11/2012 8:03:10 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Eye of Unk
Hey Eye, haven't talked of late. Is AIP still strong in the MatSu? Had some friends involved, actually went to Begich's (Nick) house with them in late 90's when they were trying to get him for Governor. Now if the Indians ever took over AIP, might go somewheres.

We only got one moose this fall and a few caribou, few bear. Picked up a 308 Scar this PFD day; my new hunting gun nx season. Haven't seen many wolves, got to do some riding when kids come home from school at Xmas. Anyway, what's new and exciting in MatSu?

35 posted on 11/11/2012 8:05:42 PM PST by Eska
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To: Eska
When I was younger I thought Texas was hot but since I have been spending alot of time in Southeast Asia it doesn't bother me but I still like the cold best. I think the Ruskies that got out are different by nature than the folks still there....
36 posted on 11/11/2012 8:29:23 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: JohnKinAK
I read over 45 years ago that ALASKA was one state which could do without the US.

The most co-depedent state requiring US help was HAIWAII.

37 posted on 11/11/2012 8:51:38 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: conservaKate

May you be “blessed” by the Federal government taking 90% of your land an making it into a park, for you to tend for them. Or telling you not to dig up your coal, just freeze in the dark. Or dig for gold, cause holes in the ground 6” or less are drinking water, but holes bigger than 6” are poisonous mine waste...

Oh, and thanks for the support and grateful heart for all the oil we were able to ship to you despite the graces of the EPA.

You ingrateful sot you.


38 posted on 11/11/2012 9:57:23 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: nascarnation

Yes.


39 posted on 11/11/2012 10:52:15 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Eska

Those German Russians you referenced are known as Volga Deutch. They were encouraged to move there by Catherine the Great most are either Lutheran or Roman Catholic. At the onset of WWII Stalin had moved many of them (There are a number still living along the Volga in Russia.) to Siberia.


40 posted on 11/11/2012 11:17:32 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("Vengence is mine".....Thus sayeth the Lord.)
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To: JohnKinAK

Alaska would be better off under russian occupation ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....................We must us every avenue of annoyance and disruption that alynski has to offer. Use thier medicine against them. OVERWHELM THE SYSYTEM


41 posted on 11/12/2012 4:05:06 AM PST by ronnie raygun (BB)
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To: Eska

Sorry to not getting back at you sooner, just woke up a little while ago, getting ready for a supposed busy day driver the concrete mixer, its going to a Pentecostal church in Palmer. Weather in mat Su is mild, just a trace of snow on the ground, Sarah Palin has been mostly silent on recent events. I honestly cannot comment on what is blowing around the valley about the election, I do know there is a lot of very disappointed people. They didn’t want to vote for Romney but did anyway, basically I get the impression many just did not go out and vote that they probably knew it was going to be a wasted effort.

Myself my job is about to seasonally end, maybe another week or two, all this season it has been almost like guarding a graveyard, dead slow, I only hired one driver for the whole summer season, when it got busy we hired temporary drivers who used to work for us and had the time from their other job.

I do believe Alaskans will whole hardheartedly endorse being an independent state, as you are aware its been a sore subject for decades. My plans of heading to Oz is still there, possibly just before breakup, if my passport application is rejected I will haul my trailer to Edmonton and work the oil patch for the summer. My year to date wages are half what they have been from years past, I am in debt big time, I may have to actually sell some of my guns.

Depends on how much Obama intrusion we get here in Alaska I suppose. i stockpiled over 130 gallon sized cans of the Auguson Farms freeze dried foods, thats enough for me to live on for a year. If I had a moose to harvest I can get another years worth of meat. have to wait and see, last I heard some group wants to relocate all the Valley moose.

I think its because Fish and Feathers believe the people will start to massively poach, and that quite possible since salmon season was a total bust. I hope you have prepped for a long winter and ALL your needs have been addressed. I still need more stored water cause my well has nasty water full of iron. Good Luck to you and happy hunting!


42 posted on 11/12/2012 4:27:26 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: Eska

“I couldn’t live anywheres else and really be happy.”

I lived in AK from ‘71 - ‘89. I’ve never been happier than there. There was true tolerance and honesty. Polical correctness didn’t exist. People were independent. The mindset was liberating. It spoiled me when it comes to living free and speaking freely. When coming to the Lower 48, I learned that every word and thought had to be processed and calculated to determine who might be offended, what was politically correct, etc. When in Alaska, that wasn’t an issue. Sure, people had their toes stepped on now and then, including myself, but nobody took it personally. You accepted the opinions of others and they accepted yours. No righteous indignation or recriminations. Of course, that was then and this is now; I suppose a lot of that has changed, but it was wonderful then.


43 posted on 11/12/2012 4:44:33 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: MayflowerMadam

My left wing niece and her progressive husband moved from Oregon to Anchorage and insist on both intolerance and political correctness. It might not be the same now


44 posted on 11/12/2012 4:49:16 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: MayflowerMadam

It has changed a small bit in Anchorage and some places out here in the Valley, such as a lot of rowdy bars closing and a slew that are now non-smoking. A lot more people live here than when I first arrived in 1992, traffic is a nightmare at times in Wasilla, never really had that problem before.

I could never ever leave Alaska for the lower 48, I could and may indeed leave Alaska for another country, but thats because I am a seasonal worker, where I live I do not have many other job options during the winter.


45 posted on 11/12/2012 4:50:20 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: JohnKinAK; gonzo; MinuteGal
A whole national movement of petitions to annoy the White House.

So far AK, TX and LA. I wish FL was next.

5.56mm

46 posted on 11/12/2012 5:00:24 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: dynachrome

I say let free people decide what unions they join.

Socialist and statists object because the need to keep productive people captive in their utopia to keep up the standard of living to a point just above the revolt level.

And - I totally disagree with your statement that Alaska is poor. I think if Alaska was a separate nation within 4 years the people of alaska would the wealthiest in the world. Removal of just a few of the federal restrictions placed on Alaska could unleash untold wealth.


47 posted on 11/12/2012 5:01:26 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: JohnKinAK

My fellow Alaskans...

48 posted on 11/12/2012 5:09:14 AM PST by McGruff (No New RINOs!)
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To: Triple

I bet renewed interest in cashing out the PFD takes hold. No more yearly Permanent Fund Dividend payed each year to every legal Alaskan resident.

We do have a lot of welfare families up here and Alaskans do have a boom or bust mentalty, they would rather gamble with getting a many thousands of dollars PFD cashout than a continued steadily dropping in size PFD check or deposit.


49 posted on 11/12/2012 5:09:26 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: posterchild

Nice Johnny Horton reference!


50 posted on 11/12/2012 5:13:47 AM PST by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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