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It's All Over. Not.( Hey! That's Meant Specifically for You Down Trodden Conservatives.All of You!)
PJ Lifestyle ^ | November 9. 2012 | Andrew Klavan

Posted on 11/11/2012 6:50:23 PM PST by lbryce

I think it was Orson Welles who said, “If you want to tell a story with a happy ending, it all depends on where you stop.” To put it another way: every story is a tragedy, if you tell it to the end.

As with lives, so with republics. Freedom is a living thing. It dies. Conservatives are like doctors. They can only win for the moment, the day, the year, the election cycle. And no matter the victory, time only goes one way. The republic grows older every day, the people travel further from their founding values and nothing lasts forever.

There are many responses to that situation. Only one of them is wise: good cheer and defiance. Keep laughing; fight back; fear nothing. Mortality makes time too precious for despondency and death makes a fool of fear. There’s nothing to worry about: disaster is certain. And nothing can be that serious since, whatever it is, it’s guaranteed to end.

Since Tuesday, I have heard enough conservatives saying, “It’s over! We’re through!” in serious, important-sounding voices to last me the next four years. I don’t care how important you make it sound, it’s whining; any child can do it. I’ll let you know when it’s over by putting you in the ground and throwing six feet of dirt onto your face. Until you get that secret signal, really, pull yourself together.

(Excerpt) Read more at pjmedia.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: adifferenthope; conservatives
Just what the doctor ordered. The morning didn't start off in an auspicious manner, with a comment I read where the poster said that Conservatism as a movement in the US is practically finished in that with all the minorities being added to the population naturally as liberal Democrats, Conservatives being outnumbered don't have much of a chance of gaining control of the government ever again, meaning the presidency, not really believing it. But it seems from reading this article the sense that Conservatives do feel lost, hopeless, that it is indeed over is making the conservative rounds with this convoluted, deluded belief

Well, take heart my fellow FReepers, if you have been feeding into this subversive delusion as being the truth, let this article give if not reason to cheer certainly reason to hope. (That damn word "hope". Obama has ruined that word for me forever. I can't seem to get passed "hop" before getting queasy, sick to my stomach and then going to the thesaurus for a synonym or two to replace it. Let me just say, hope springs eternal for conservatives as well as anyone else.

Links to the article this post links to

Library of Law and Liberty
http://libertylawsite.org/2012/11/07/a-constitutional-moment-sometime/

1 posted on 11/11/2012 6:50:30 PM PST by lbryce
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To: lbryce
Conservatives do feel lost

Not this one.
2 posted on 11/11/2012 6:56:03 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: lbryce

Will you share your drugs?


3 posted on 11/11/2012 6:57:43 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Jesus. This site is getting scarier by the day.


4 posted on 11/11/2012 7:00:06 PM PST by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: lbryce
Not over for me. I will just become more wise.

Practice my aim and spend wisely. I don't need their crap.

It's hard to respect the elected officials. They are sell outs for power and act cowardly while ignoring the constitution.

5 posted on 11/11/2012 7:00:54 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt.)
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To: lbryce

Don’t take the Lords name in vain.


6 posted on 11/11/2012 7:03:33 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: All

Obamacare has designated you as a “casualty” via a Vendikar tri-cobalt implosion device. Please report to the nearest disintegration booth. Have a nice day.


7 posted on 11/11/2012 7:12:17 PM PST by Kolath
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To: cripplecreek

I don’t feel lost either. But by any rational discription, it is indeed, ‘over.’

When the Alphabet agencies are politicized to the point that they are accomplices to the problems we face, it’s over.

When the opposition party caves regularly and we expect them to, it’s over.

Et all.

But most definitively, when the ‘old guard’, people like we on FR who are supposed to be the rockest of ribbed right, do as we did in rah rahing a liberal as our political savior for months as so many here did, the bar of conservatism was not lowered, it was melted down and reforged into deck chairs that will be rearranged by the GOP as needed.

Is there hope? Sure. But people, as I said often, have not yet felt enough pain. People bitched that ‘my business...’ or ‘my friends/family...’ et all ad nausem prevented them from making hard decisions...decisions that will eventually be made if anything but liberalism is to ever rear it’s head in America again.

But they lacked the self sacrifice. Now they will have their business stripped, their families and friends hyperregulated and the rest.

Perhaps they will someday stand on their principles rather than play the ‘lesser evil’ game. Perhaps then they will win rather than be led by the nose by the GOP and it’s empty promise of ‘conservative governance.’

/rant.

As for me, I’ll just go with whatever happens until enough people decide to care. I don’t really have a choice. I’m not Superman after all. Not that I’m happy about it.

And for those who disagree, I don’t particularly care.


8 posted on 11/11/2012 7:14:41 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: lbryce

This post is written in anger and frustration.

Angry that we continue to follow the Republican Party’s elite ignorance. A party that continues to pull defeat from the jaws of victory characterized by pompous fools who fulfill the sterotype built by the left.

Frustrated that the reality of politics is this: There will be no third party capable of competing with the coalition constructed by the dems. As a result, true conservatives MUST take steps to irradicate the ignorance of the Republican Party while still adhering to the core values of our forefathers (beliefs that I discovered are considered extreme by over half of my countrymen on Tuesday night, BTW).

I have no solve for exactly how to accomplish this. Only advice based on a long military career in several foreign lands for how to defeat the dems once this is accomplished.

This thought process is based on the concept of irregular warfare with twists thrown in here and there for good measure.

With that, I provide the following advice for the good of the order.

LEADERSHIP: The old crew has proven either incompotent or outdated. McConnell and Boerner must go. They represent a failed plan to defend and resist without clearly explaining their position. They are content with looking like the bad guys and face public scorn when they don’t realize how important it is to manipulate a clearly left leaning MSM. They represent the failure of the last four years to our own and obstructionists to the opposition. We’ve got to show a new face to the nation. That is the genesis of rebuilding this movement. Ryan or Cantor in the House, Rubio or Demint in the Senate.

We also need a standard bearer and I see no one on the horizon with as much rockstar potential and substance as Rubio. These next four years must put him on the center stage with a unified and consolidated message. It also needs to protect him from the attacks from the left that are guaranteed to come.

Everything the Obamites used to deny, deflect, and difuse will be used againstt hem....including the race card. THAT is what will make Rubio a teflon candidate.

These men represent a change in a party that has been beaten soundly in the last two elections by a charlatan and his traveling circus. A fresh choice in leadership represents change you can TRULY beleive in from every angle. It marks a clear start from inside and outside when we actually started taking this enemy seriously.

GROUND GAME: It is IMPERATIVE to develop and foster an intricate ground game. It requires a MICRO-ANALYSIS of every county, every city, and every early and absentee ballot by demographic to find how how, why, and with what method they voted. The dems have built quite the coalition but it’s a house of cards; it’s a fractured coalition of single issue voters held together by a media-invested hollyweird worshipping demagogue. They can be piecemealed away bitby bit without sacrficing principle.

Give it to the dems on their “community organizing” machine. We don’t need to reinvent that model. We MUST develop our own. One that will INSTILL our principles in a language tailored to the audience. They’ve tailored theirs on the community organizer, we can create ours around the military special operator. This the winning of hearts and minds in our own third world backyard dem strongholds.

This isn’t as difficult as it sounds. It requires a patient and immediate effort that starts with the post election analysis looking not for what we WANT to find, but for the GROUND TRUTH. GROUND TRUTH is REAL INTELLIGENCE not Rovian number-crunching wishful thinking.

It will require an insurgent effort at the ground level. An infiltration into dem areas that we identify are weak or vulnerable to start cutting in to the blue.

The COIN (insurgeny/counterinsurgency)effort would include the identification of these areas, the inflitration of the areas through churches and charitable organizations AND PARTICULARLY THROUGH EDUCATION.

There ARE like thinkers in these communities. How do we find them? Ask Jesse L. Peterson. Ask JC Watts and Herman Cain. They KNOW how to splinter these vulnerable areas off the blue.

The hispanic issue is RIPE for moving into the red. Catholic, family oriented cultures who beleive in being left alone and naturally distrust the government. And they voted Obama? This is the epitome of the single issue voter. the RNC needs to go toe to toe, issue to issue with “the Race” and counter it in that community, in that language, at THAT LEVEL.

Think it can’t be done? SOF has been doing it since the end of World War II. It CAN be done.

WE must get deep into the education system to promote the ideals and values of conservatism that should be selling themselves. I’m not talking about traditional public schools and universities. They are ROTTED with liberals. They also aren’tthe keys to education in the 21st century.

I’m talking about the new way to educate - the online universities, the trade schools and nightschools. Corporate allies need to invest and educate with the ideals of economic and fiscal conservatism.

The RNC needs to lead and develop this effort. A novice like me can see that there is a disconnect between the voting habits of catholic-dominated hispanics and pockets of baptist blacks and their actual stated values. That disconnect can be exploited if it is done slowly, deliberately, and effectively.

INFORMATION WARFARE: We are ATROCIOUS AT THIS. Dems get a simple message out early and often. They poison the well and we are left to change minds rather than get the initial impression right from jump. We constantly play defense and think we are sooooo clever when dems (as they ALWAYS do) do something stupid or illegal and shocked when the media all but ignores it. We must take the offensive in getting up in every Candy Crowley, every George Stepenopolis’ face and call them what they are: democratic hacks posing as the “objective media”

We ABSOLUTELY MUST be proactive. We must attack at EVERY OPPORTUNITY then add each fail of the dems to a trend and theme. These themes must be simple, tailored, and repetitively broadcast to each target demographic.

We must look out beyond the 5 and 10 meter targets. We’ve got to effectively interpret what the dem message is on the horizon and confront it at all levels - from the national MSM level filtering directly down to the target group level. Even I can see what the talking points of the upcoming week are by watching the Sunday talking head programs. Defense is unacceptable. we can’t pretent that the most outrageous comment won’t gain traction then act surprised when weeks later, that theme picks up steam. Attack, attack, attack.

Alinsky tactics must be turned against their masters. There is GREAT power in ridicule and scorn. They make it too easy to use. It needs to be culturally tailored and consistent. Dennis Miller needs his own show on FNC AND a late night show on Fox. Let him source and promote culturally diverse conserative comedians that vulnerable areas can relate to and remember. Bold Fresh tours aren’t enough.

This is only part of an overall information operation plan that is constant in a simple party message and what it means to each target group.

WE DON’T DO THAT WELL. WHY NOT? I find it unbelievable that Obama has hijacked the reputation and imagery of the Party of Lincoln.

COIN operations involve a very in depth understanding of cultural idocyncracies and how best to exploit them to our advantage. It’s not a “wool-over-the-eyes” approach or a “free shit” approach like the dems sell. THAT ALWAYS COMES UP SHORT.

It’s a sell based on how it effects each target group and what it means to them. If it’s done right, I am CONFIDENT that the tenets of conservatism sell themselves.

In Civil Miltary Operations, assistance in areas that seem unrelated builds trust in the agency. Granted, there’s a fine line between assistance and the giving of free shit but, the special operations forces walk that line well. It can be done. Community outreach in areas that we identify, in ways that we haven’t before can build a larger tent without sacrificing our beliefs.

The military has been doing this in third world countries for years. We’ve been more successful in some areas, less successful in others. In the United States third world strongholds of the Democratic Party,I am confident that it can be done.

Here’s the kicker: There are countless retired special operations planners and operators working overseas as contractors RIGHT NOW. It’s too easy; the RNC needs to hire them as contractors over here.

This is, by far, not the only avenue we’ve got to pursue in order to turn the tide.

But, if we are going to war, the RNC must look to the military to rediscover and reorganize. The number-crunching beancounters have their place in the organization but, on their best days, they can only identify who will and won’t vote Republican.

This is a “Hearts and Minds” effort.

It requires a new way to think about the political battlefield.

Rangers Lead the Way.



9 posted on 11/11/2012 7:14:52 PM PST by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: lbryce

Who’d of thought the confederates would win, only took them a hundred years or so, they even had the blacks help too, how ironic!


10 posted on 11/11/2012 7:17:04 PM PST by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: Kolath

Logan’s Run — really? I did not that picture in my mind.

Thanks, I needed that in a strange way. I feel better now.


11 posted on 11/11/2012 7:17:58 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: lbryce

Only one conservative has been elected since Herbert Hoover. And even with his immense popularity was not able to cut the government by one dime.


12 posted on 11/11/2012 7:19:32 PM PST by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: lbryce

I agree with the author. “It’s over” when you give up. I don’t have a setting for “give up.” People can throw out all the statistics and projections they want, but I’ll just go on and make a bad joke and have another baby. As Mr. Klavan said, I’ll know it’s over when they put me in the ground.


13 posted on 11/11/2012 7:19:55 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up." ~marron)
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To: cripplecreek

Nor this one.


14 posted on 11/11/2012 7:21:18 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: lbryce

With epic failure comes epic consequences. Go ahead and hope and pray but you best prepare yourselves for those consequences.


15 posted on 11/11/2012 7:26:05 PM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: txnativegop

Ahem...no LR, think Star Trek. Care to guess the episode?


16 posted on 11/11/2012 7:27:22 PM PST by Kolath
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To: Kolath

I’m stumped. enlighten me.


17 posted on 11/11/2012 7:30:09 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: Gene Eric

We’re having a little tea party venison breakfast cookout in the morning. Maybe a dozen of us in the garage to talk about some local issues and how to proceed with them.

It usually leads to plotting against some native canine wildlife.


18 posted on 11/11/2012 7:33:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Random thoughts. There’s working hard and there’s working smart. Being lucky and being good.
Most of us would like to think that we’re both lucky and good, hardworking and smart.
Sub rosa: “beneath the rose.” “Those who hid well, lived well.” Spinoza
I can see a lot of hardworking, smart conservatives—lucky and good at what they do—dropping out. Refusing to play the game. Little Galts, for at least four years or until the SHTF, and now it’s not a question of whether but when.
I don’t feel “lost” but I’m not working harder so I can pay more over to Uncle Obama so he can “redistribute” it.


19 posted on 11/11/2012 7:38:07 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: lbryce

Perhaps, but many of the comments at the link were right on.


20 posted on 11/11/2012 7:41:53 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: lbryce
This has been comming for a long time.

Anyone not prepared is a fool.


21 posted on 11/11/2012 7:41:57 PM PST by John 3_19-21 (Stand for something or fall for anything.)
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To: txnativegop

Star Trek: “A Taste of Armageddon”, second season.


22 posted on 11/11/2012 7:46:44 PM PST by Kolath
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To: tumblindice
Stepped down very recently from 13 years in management.

Paid EVERYTHING off..

Will not feed the beast any more.
23 posted on 11/11/2012 7:53:10 PM PST by John 3_19-21 (Stand for something or fall for anything.)
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To: lbryce; Gilbo_3; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; NFHale; Impy; ...
RE :”Since Tuesday, I have heard enough conservatives saying, “It’s over! We’re through!” in serious, important-sounding voices to last me the next four years. I don’t care how important you make it sound, it’s whining; any child can do it. I’ll let you know when it’s over by putting you in the ground and throwing six feet of dirt onto your face. Until you get that secret signal, really, pull yourself together”

Agreed. Helpful post,

I think this traumatic response is due to completely unrealistic expections, that Romney was going to win big and carry congress with him.(Rush was encouraging this nonsense and then told them we were doomed the day after.)

This was not going to happen and those I reference were shopping for polls that they wanted to be true,

You cant win until you are able to understand what you are up against, and wishful fantasy isn't going to do it.

24 posted on 11/11/2012 8:33:24 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: lbryce; driftdiver; cripplecreek
Shameless self-promotion on the same topic *PING*.

(Vanity) An Analysis of the 2012 Presidential Election

Cheers!

25 posted on 11/11/2012 9:16:02 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: military cop

I had to quit reading your post because every good point you make caused me to slam the table in agreement, and my hand is wearing out. I will read it in its entirety tomorrow though.


26 posted on 11/11/2012 9:19:20 PM PST by Psalm 144
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To: military cop
Very true. Biggest problem: Depending on the RNC - they aren’t conservatives and they don’t want conservatives elected. They were mortified by Reagan.

But yes, we do need to practice the same tactics you are talking about and keep pushing. The Dems & their Soros type cohorts have been moving us inch by inch every year with a few leaps thrown in FDR,LBJ,Obama being the ones who took larger steps toward the left.

A Republican in a neighboring district won election to the state house in a Democratic Stronghold that hadn’t ever voted Pubbie in his lifetime. He walked the neighborhoods and went door to door.

He pointed out the discrepancy between the National party and their beliefs: Abortion, Marriage, Profligate Spending, Obama care etc. The only sticking point was the Union - lots of people belonged to the Unions, and did not want him to vote for right to work.

He pledged to be their Representative and vote the way they wanted instead of a Politician who would vote the way the Party wanted. They voted for him by 70%. Lesson to be learned there I think.

27 posted on 11/11/2012 9:53:12 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: military cop
I love it! Love it, love it, LOVE IT! Every single point... Esp. this part: "Alinsky tactics must be turned against their masters. There is GREAT power in ridicule and scorn. They make it too easy to use. It needs to be culturally tailored and consistent."

This is far better than the OP's "be happy" meme. I'm not in the mood to be happy. I'm angry and I want my America back.

28 posted on 11/11/2012 9:56:22 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: military cop
"We ABSOLUTELY MUST be proactive. We must attack at EVERY OPPORTUNITY then add each fail of the dems to a trend and theme. These themes must be simple, tailored, and repetitively broadcast to each target demographic."

Challenge here: lacking our own "mainstream media", how do we perpetuate these failures into trends beyond conservative talk radio?

29 posted on 11/11/2012 9:58:35 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Tax-chick

Yep. Found this quote:

“Being defeated is often a temporary condition. Giving up is what makes it permanent”.

Marilyn Vos Savant

We aren’t yet in the same position as the Frech resistance, surely we can resist being surrender monkeys for a while longer.


30 posted on 11/11/2012 10:08:43 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Frech = French


31 posted on 11/11/2012 10:12:34 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Lexinom

every way and any way we can: Direct confrontation in EVERY interview with EVERY conservqtive representative.

The day of getting tag teamed by MSNBC anal clown and Meet the Press “unbiased” hacks is OVER.

If EVERY SINGLE REPRESENTATIVE of the cause speaks with one overpowering voice, the MSM won’t know whether to defecate or go blind.


32 posted on 11/11/2012 10:26:12 PM PST by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: lbryce

bump for later, when I will actually feel like being cheered up


33 posted on 11/12/2012 12:56:56 AM PST by jocon307
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To: driftdiver
Don’t take the Lords name in vain.

Don't pretend to be holier than others - you took a nonsensical slap at him and he reacted.

34 posted on 11/12/2012 3:31:45 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: greeneyes

I recently read a book about women in the French resistance. Most of them eventually were caught and sent to concentration camps and died. For me, the lesson is that you’ve got to have a Cause bigger than yourself, so that you don’t give up even if you’re going to die.


35 posted on 11/12/2012 4:26:11 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up." ~marron)
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To: trebb

oh shut up


36 posted on 11/12/2012 4:26:40 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: lbryce

For those that have not quite figured out where we’re headed....

Hand in hand, of one mind, renewed, united in work, through work, in our small land we shall create a more human environment for everyone and we shall improve this land. We shall include villages and towns in our new equality; the people and everything else: “Ever forward”. Nobody shall be slave or master to anyone, everyone shall simply work for the benefit of everyone else, and we shall have to behave differently in the way we work. This shall be our human and progressive union – a union which can be created by the people. http://distributistreview.com/mag/2010/06/mondragon-and-the-global-economic-meltdown/

And yes, I do believe we’re way past the tipping point. The soft revolution has seized power and the ‘punishment’ of the entrepreneur and landowners has begun.


37 posted on 11/12/2012 4:36:59 AM PST by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: driftdiver

Ooooh - the intellect is just so awesome! I guess it’s to be expected from a cheap-shot artist who has delusions of holiness...


38 posted on 11/12/2012 4:40:16 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: tumblindice

“I don’t feel “lost” but I’m not working harder so I can pay more over to Uncle Obama so he can “redistribute” it.”

Ditto what you said. I lost my job last year and brought in almost half of what we made. However, we were smart enough to put a decent amount away for a “rainy” day. Why should I go back and be considered rich enough to support the slugs with 9 kids? I don’t think we’ll fall for that again.


39 posted on 11/12/2012 4:46:44 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: trebb

well I guess you get what you are worth

take your condescending attitude somewhere else


40 posted on 11/12/2012 4:51:25 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
well I guess you get what you are worth take your condescending attitude somewhere else

Kind of ironic - you tell a guy to stop taking drugs, make a flippant remark about taking the Lord's name in vain, respond with a "shut up", and then claim that someone else is "condescending". Must be nice to live in a world where your bathroom mirror keeps telling you that you're the brightest and most righteous of them all. I'll shut up now - you convinced me of the futility of differing with your erudite opinions and intellectual essays.

41 posted on 11/12/2012 5:01:42 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: trebb

You’re a troll


42 posted on 11/12/2012 5:03:03 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: military cop

Best piece of analysis on the aftermath of the election that I’ve yet read. All of your points are right in target. There are opportunities for conservatives to make inroads into these communities that are becoming the foundation of the Democrat Party’s long dreamed of permanent majority coalition. Look at it this way: does anyone really think that in political environments where the Democratic Party has near total control — such as any blue state large city — there isn’t political fighting at least as intense as what occurs at the national level? Of course there are still major political battles, but they are within the Democratic coalition. Of the GOP were to enter the field, they could become partisan. Help some black parents win a charter from their local bureaucrats to open a school, or Latino business owners to resist a new regulation that threatens their survival. Do that and you begin to find allies and build trust, so that when a big election comes, you have some people that you can call on to stand upmfor you.


43 posted on 11/12/2012 7:18:40 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: lbryce

Bump!


44 posted on 11/12/2012 8:40:38 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (There is no tagline. You must seek your answers elsewhere.)
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