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Red State ^ | 11/12/2012 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 11/12/2012 4:44:25 AM PST by IbJensen

If you see ten troubles coming down the road, you can be sure that nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.

— President Calvin Coolidge

For five years I have consistently maintained that Mitt Romney could not be elected President of the United States. The only thing that changed was Barack Obama’s terrible debate performance and I made the unfortunate mistake of going with the herd toward “he can win now.” A year ago — to be precise, November 8th of last year — I wrote that Mitt Romney would be the nominee, conservatism would die, and Barack Obama would win. Regrettably, I told you so.

As I wrote would happen, Mitt Romney tried to blur lines with Barack Obama. He did not defend social conservatism, but let those attacks go unanswered. He did not articulate strong fiscal conservatism and he never repudiated Romneycare, thereby failing to make any credible attacks on Obamacare.

Conservatives and conservative institutions who embraced him early on are now scrambling to make excuses. They were so invested in a failure they cannot bring themselves to admit Mitt Romney and his campaign were failures. They were, to Republicans, what green energy is to Barack Obama.

Because these conservatives cannot accept that they were wrong, they must conclude that conservatism itself is somehow broken.

The darndest thing is I’m listening to all this handwringing and most of it is coming from a lot of people who’ve never really been conservative or supported conservatism. These people hated our ideas and values when we were winning and now choose this opportunity to sell us out the way they’ve always wanted. The conservative herd is headed off a cliff led by a consultant class that would otherwise now be swimming in pools full of dollar bills like Scrooge McDuck.

These people would have us believe that we must make fundamental changes to draw in new voters. We must exile social conservatives to bring in young people and single women. We must exile fiscal conservatives to bring in hispanic and black voters. With whatever is left from having exiled both, these geniuses would have us believe the Democrats in whose camp these groups already find themselves will just sit back and let it happen.

The Republican Party will never out Democrat the Democrats. Conservatives will never out liberal Liberals. We should not try.

I believe conservatism is the correct solution to our problems. I believe the Republican Party has a better chance of advancing conservatism than the Democrats. I believe many Republicans and conservatives embraced a failed, flawed messenger and now, instead of admitting their mistake, would fundamentally transform the Republican Party and the conservative movement into something it isn’t so they do not have to admit they were wrong all along. I believe that many of our present party leaders have no desire to advance any public policy other than that which they think is best poll tested to keep them in power and advance their career, regardless of the soundness of the policy or the intellectual underpinnings of idea.

No thanks.

At RedState, our front page contributors will continue to be pro-life. Our conservatism is not negotiable with the ebbs and flows of electoral politics.

We will continue to fight the left, but we will also continue to clean up the right.

Our Republican leaders in Congress are intent now on caving on virtually every issue. Karl Rove is signaling he will play in primaries to fight against conservatives. Even some conservatives think we should give up the fight against Obamacare, set up state healthcare exchanges, and succumb.

I have no intention of giving up the fight. I have no intention of succumbing. More bluntly, I have no intention of standing athwart history yielding to the Republicans who got us to this point and you shouldn’t either.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: evilobamaregime; governmentisevil; losekarlrove; phonyliarinwhitehut
Invictus

Out of the night that covers me,

Black as the Pit from pole to pole,

I thank whatever gods may be

For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance

I have not winced nor cried aloud.

Under the bludgeonings of chance

My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears

Looms but the Horror of the shade,

And yet the menace of the years

Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,

How charged with punishments the scroll.

I am the master of my fate:

I am the captain of my soul.

-William Ernest Henley

1 posted on 11/12/2012 4:44:28 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

Well said.

If I don’t stand for something, Then I don’t stand for anything. This isn’t over.


2 posted on 11/12/2012 4:54:41 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: IbJensen

“We will continue to fight the left, but we will also continue to clean up the right.”

Works for me. But can we PLEASE kick a little Lib @ss while we’re at it? Hurry, 2014! :)


3 posted on 11/12/2012 4:58:53 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: SueRae

Finally someone says it. So tired of all the “we quit” crap going on. We ran a rino and lost. Conservatism did not lose. In 2010 the tea party led to 60+ house seat pickups, we only gave back 3. We now have a record 30 governors that are republican. On to 2014! Fight!

Watch what dems think about the GOP-e plan to win votes by granting amnesty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KnXz_qZ5RE


4 posted on 11/12/2012 5:02:44 AM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: IbJensen

Yes. BTTT.


5 posted on 11/12/2012 5:06:19 AM PST by thatdewd (I'm tired of watching stupid people do stupid things stupidly.)
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To: IbJensen

Excellent post! We cannot back down from our principles!


6 posted on 11/12/2012 5:10:00 AM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: icwhatudo

Can’t help but think if Romney wasn’t a mormon he would have had a much better chance. I was not happy voting for a mormon. Maybe in 2016 we can nominate an atheist. Makes as much sense.


7 posted on 11/12/2012 5:11:41 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: IbJensen

I have no intention of giving up the fight. I have no intention of succumbing. More bluntly, I have no intention of standing athwart history yielding to the Republicans who got us to this point and you shouldn’t either.

Sadly there are way more of them than us in the Republican Party. Time to form a Conservative Party and elect conservatives to local, state, and federal offices. It is easier to gain a majority in a smaller pool of voters. That will build a party from the ground up and force the GOP to the right. Nothing says we have to run a Conservative Party candidate for President in 2016, but watch out in 2020 and beyond. I just don’t believe we can change the Republican Party from within, but I do believe we can cause them to wither on the vine by growing an independent CP.


8 posted on 11/12/2012 5:14:08 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: icwhatudo

Malarky. That is the same garbage I hear every time on FR.

You mean to tell me that conservatives sat at home in ‘protest’ to not vote for Mitt knowing the alternative is Obama?

That makes no sense, no matter how many times Freepers squawk it.


9 posted on 11/12/2012 5:20:34 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: IbJensen

Conservatives will never get control of the GOP. Even if we could, it would take 20 years. The only logical thing to do is cut our losses and start a third party.

Kill the GOP and launch something new, built from the ground up. It could be done in 8-10 years.

As a nation, we might not survive that long, but I see no alternative. The GOP no longer wants Conservatives, and we no longer want them.


10 posted on 11/12/2012 5:44:16 AM PST by Sporke (USS Iowa BB-61)
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To: icwhatudo

I’m not quitting the fight. Working locally, starting within my own soul and that of my daughter. Rereading our history of our founding Fathers. Working with friends (those that remain) Working on election fraud. Working on a lot. But not giving up and not caving. EVER.


11 posted on 11/12/2012 5:45:38 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Why did you care that he is a Mormon?


12 posted on 11/12/2012 5:48:35 AM PST by ShadowDancer ( Losers always look for excuses. Winners never quit.)
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To: ShadowDancer

Because I believe mormons are deceived people and I don’t want a president easily deceived.


13 posted on 11/12/2012 5:50:34 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

Oh. Okay.


14 posted on 11/12/2012 5:54:54 AM PST by ShadowDancer ( Losers always look for excuses. Winners never quit.)
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To: IbJensen

Remember one thing. According to the Bible, God chose Obama to be our leader. We don’t know the reason.

When God chose Clinton to be our leader in 1996, we despaired just as much but it later became a burden for the Democrats. If Clinton had resigned, Gore would probably been elected President in 2000. Instead, voters were sick of Clinton and his excusers and Bush won.

1. Obama being president means that the mainstream media cannot criticize the White House for another 4 years. “Scandals sell papers. “ You could some major shakeups.
2. The Democrats I know wanted to win the election but not necessarily with Obama. Like Clinton, he comes with a lot of negatives. The Recession is the biggest and Romney was the only hope of ending it. The Democrats don’t have a plan for the Recession.


15 posted on 11/12/2012 5:55:03 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: IbJensen

I don,t think any one who truly believes something is going to give it up, i could not give up my belief in God even if i knew that i could have riches by doing it.

But conservatives who base their political belief on their belief in God should also be able to see the writing on the wall.

The Bible tells us plainly that these days would come, so if we pretend that it is not happening we are just fooling our selves, so i say keep up the fight but be aware of what we are really fighting.


16 posted on 11/12/2012 6:01:38 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: csmusaret; John Robinson

I have been for a legitimate, conservative party of the far right for years!

I’m getting too old to do all the work, but see no reason why it shouldn’t start here. The Republicrats will never give America what it needs and perhaps this third party could siphon enough votes from the two establishment parties to elect a president and mess up control of Congress by either party!

It’s either this or a revolution! D.C. looks as bad off as Madrid did in 1936. We do have the communists and the homosexuals running things and ruining our lives and our nation.


17 posted on 11/12/2012 6:13:58 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: AppyPappy
According to the Bible, God chose Obama to be our leader.

Au contraire, mon ami.

(A little French talk there to toss a fish to our great allies.)

God allowed Obama to be elected twice just to see what we would do about it.

'Evil personified' is the definition that should be given to this most despicable administration in the history of mankind! Satan has kept working through people like Obama and his minions for eons. These people who he's surrounded himself with and those zombies who support him can't be human. Rather they're agents of satan himself!

18 posted on 11/12/2012 6:21:44 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen

I respectfully disagree.

Romney lost because he is a Mormon.

I thought he would perhaps still will, but he was outmaneuvered.

This changes things. I had hoped Romney would help straighten out America. Bring back some American jobs.

I do not see that happening much now. The sellers of America have won for now. More important they have a majority now also.

What we must do is to stop supporting the sell-out. Buy American. Switch sides if you have to.

America first.

Support companies which are American.

Stop selling us out.


19 posted on 11/12/2012 6:27:46 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: ravenwolf
Michael Savage...

“That’s Karl Marx Obama. That’s Hugo Chavez Obama. That’s Joseph Stalin Obama. This is a very dangerous man.” “This man is the most dangerous, most divisive, most evil – I’ll use the word evil – president in the history of America.”

20 posted on 11/12/2012 6:28:26 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen
"The only thing that changed was Barack Obama’s terrible debate performance and I made the unfortunate mistake of going with the herd toward “he can win now."

The rest is the sound of furious backpedaling...

21 posted on 11/12/2012 6:29:17 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: icwhatudo

I’m pretty sure that running a more conservative candidate is no longer the answer.

The demographics have changed. Our Republic has been breached, it is the citizenry that must change before we can right our ship and they don’t want to change.

Call me doom and gloom, but my eyes are open.

It is not Obama that we must fear, it is the citizenry that would elect him president.


22 posted on 11/12/2012 6:31:57 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I’m sorry.

I posted so many responses that I don’t know to which one you disagree.

In respect to ‘Mitt’ Romney, I was never happy with him, regardless of the fact that he is a Mormon. Although he and Hairy being of the same religion is quite a bit more than troubling.

Is the Mormon Church for abortion? For placing homosexuals on pedestals above normal people? For handing out free Trojans to college girls? For teaching youngsters in school the glories of homosexual love-making? (etc., etc.)

Hairy is because he’s a DemocRAT!


23 posted on 11/12/2012 6:33:55 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: listenhillary

What we have done is not lose, what we have done is sell out.

China is winning.

Everything. China is selling billions more to America than America sells to China - and it is increasing.

We have no markets left.

We buy EVERYTHING.

We must make things.

Now.


24 posted on 11/12/2012 6:34:40 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: IbJensen

Don’t feel bad.

My point is we concentrate on everything except on what we buy from China.

Every store sells stuff. Same as it always has. All the packaging is similar to what it was before.

Now however everything is imported from China.

NO AMERICAN JOBS are supported by anything anymore.

It’s all China.

This is a huge problem, and cost us the last election.

The problem is not improving.

The problem is getting worse.


25 posted on 11/12/2012 6:38:03 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: IbJensen

“That’s Karl Marx Obama. That’s Hugo Chavez Obama. That’s Joseph Stalin Obama.


I think maybe he might be just a puppet but they are just as evil.


26 posted on 11/12/2012 6:59:03 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: AppyPappy

Remember one thing. According to the Bible, God chose Obama to be our leader. We don’t know the reason.


I think it was the people who chose Obama, God only allowed it, just like he allows every thing else that we do.


27 posted on 11/12/2012 7:11:50 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

Rom 13:1 MKJV Let every soul be subject to the higher authorities. For there is no authority but of God; the authorities that exist are ordained by God.


28 posted on 11/12/2012 7:16:59 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: IbJensen

In a fair election Romney would have won.

A fair election would be one in which the major media remained unbiased, not siding with one side or the other and not intentionally working hard and relentlessly to prop up and protect the democrat while discrediting and destroying the republican at every opportunity, ala Candy Crowell.

A fair election, by modern standards, would be one in which there was no more than the usual minimal democrat voter fraud - say 2% or 3%.

Not the massive fraud seen in swing states this year where some precincts saw voter turn out of 10%, 20%, 30% and even 40% more than the actual number of residents or number of registered voters.

A fair election would also include a guarantee that all candidates had proven their constitutional qualifications to hold the office.

If we had a military lead by officers sincerely intent on keeping their oath of office, they would step in, thrown this illegitimate government out in the street, and bring back a legitimate constitutional government.


29 posted on 11/12/2012 7:17:39 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Strange how paranoia can link up with reality now and then." -- Philip K. Dick)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I am a Buddhist and I was much happier voting for a Mormon than a marxist.


30 posted on 11/12/2012 7:18:01 AM PST by Cheesehead In Dubai (used to be Cheesehead in Texas, but I moved)
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To: Cheesehead In Dubai

I would have been happier voting for an atheist than Obama but that doesn’t mean I would want to vote for an atheist.


31 posted on 11/12/2012 7:27:39 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: IbJensen

Expecting voters to know what’s going on and their reliance on MSM is just part of why our great loss. While there are examples of fraud which may close up the gap, the gap is too big to blame the loss on fraud ...Expecting GOP E’s to address media bias is another but this is where the fault lies..

Romney ran a “Johnny One Note Campaign”. Used a poison dart blow gun when he should have used a cannon loaded with grape shot because he had pleanty of stuff he could fill that cannon barrel with..

They failed to hammer away on what will happen when Obama gets returned; The Obama 2013/14 Tax Increases. The impact of Obama’s energy policies..(a socialist construct never branded as such) and a bread and butter issue which reaches every into “demographics” pocketbook...The impact of Supreme Court Appointments.. 18,000 new IRS agents and on and on. Including rampant corruption . Some were very briefly touched most weren’t and Benghazi was left to languish. Then there is Obama’s personal extravagance and behavior refusing to visit Nashville after its disaster showing up at New Orleans after Mitt visited it.

Instead we got a sales pitch on executive ability but not the reason why one should toss the old model and buy his.

In addition Rove who I understand was handling the Charter PAC senate campaign played games. His material never warned voters that IF OBAMA GETS REELECTED AND SENATE RETAINED OBAMACARE AND ALL THE TAX INCREASES THAT GO WITH IT WILL NEVER GET REPEALED Let alone tie into or cover the formentioned grape shot which would have perhaps changed that body. I don’t recall any of that material directed toward that fact.

Finally they didn’t believe the polls which turned out were dead on. Even going as far as setting up focus groups which could have looked into what’s going on . Even to the point of going out to local eateries and bars and eavesdrop into conversations and pick up on topics being discussed.(chat rooms twitter too contrived)

Our local small population (-8000) rural blue county GOP had at the outset good and growing attendence at their meetings 50 plus. At the meeting the Thursday before the election only about a dozen people showed up and I knew we were in trouble .

Nuts...This loss is inexcuseable, while I trully don’t believe Mitt Romney would never continence losing, I’m begining to wonder if many GOPE’s didn’t want to see O care go ..


32 posted on 11/12/2012 7:41:55 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("Vengence is mine".....Thus sayeth the Lord.)
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To: AppyPappy

Rom 13:1 MKJV Let every soul be subject to the higher authorities. For there is no authority but of God; the authorities that exist are ordained by God.


But if you read the rest of the subject you can see a great contradiction in what Paul said.


3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

So if we read it the way it sounds then not only paul and peter and the other apostles but even Jesus were evil because they were killed by these same authorities.

I will also mention that John in rev said our fight was against spiritual wickedness in high places, and he did not mean in heavenly places because satan was cast down to earth
when the child of God went to be with God, the spiritual wickedness is in high places here on earth.


33 posted on 11/12/2012 8:56:49 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: mosesdapoet
The American Dream ended last week for what we should now call the Central Socialist Government of America.

The second term of Barack Obama will be the final nail in the coffin for the legacy of the white Christian males who discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest Republic in the history of mankind. A coalition of Blacks, Latinos, Feminists, homosexuals, Government Workers, Union Members, Environmental Extremists, The Media, Hollywood, uninformed young people, the "forever needy," the chronically unemployed, illegal aliens and other "fellow travelers" has ended Norman Rockwell's America. The Cocker Spaniel is off the front porch...the Pit Bull is in the back yard!!!!!

The American Constitution has been replaced with Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and Chicago shyster, David Axelrod, along with international Socialist George Soros will be pulling the strings on their black puppet to bring us into the New World Order!!!!!

Our side ran two candidates who couldn't even win their own Home States, and Circus fat Chris Christie helped Obama over the top with a glowing "post Sandy" tribute that elevated the "Commander-in Chief" to Mother Teresa status. People like me are completely politically irrelevant, and I will never again comment on or concern myself with the aforementioned coalition which has surrendered our culture, our heritage and our traditions without a shot being fired!!

You will never again out-vote these people. It will take individual acts of defiance and massive displays of civil disobedience to get back the rights we have allowed them to take away. It will take Zealots..not moderates--not reach-across-the-aisle RINOs to right this ship and restore our beloved country to its former status. Those who come after us will have to risk their lives, their fortunes and their Sacred Honor to bring back the Republic that this generation has timidly frittered away due to "white guilt" and political correctness.

Those fools who continue to say that 'Diversity is our strength' simply don't know what the hell they're talking about

34 posted on 11/12/2012 9:06:05 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen
Conservatives and conservative institutions who embraced him early on are now scrambling to make excuses.

Especially here. Blaming conservatives for the failure of a liberal Republican candidate smacks of Zero.

35 posted on 11/12/2012 9:08:49 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: AppyPappy; All

“Rom 13:1 MKJV Let every soul be subject to the higher authorities. For there is no authority but of God; the authorities that exist are ordained by God.”

In our country we have a constitution that rests its authority on the “consent of the people for and by the people”. We the People are the “higher authorities that have been ordained of God” that we are to be subject to. The people that have been elected are the expressions of our collective authority; they are the face of our expressed morality and ethics as a nation. No tyrants, no Kings to blame, our national failures are caused by the populace in the collective sense! Problem: By the Popular rejection of our God heritage, we are rejecting Godly wisdom in how the affairs of our nation are to be run. There are no corrupt kings that we can “blame”(since “we the people” are the highest authorities of the land) for leading us away from Godliness hence an avenue of plausible “blamelessness” on the part of the collective electorate is closed to us as a nation.

God will not be a party to ungodliness and must at some point withdraw the authority “of an ungodly people” to regulate themselves via republican forms of government as provided in our Federal and States’ constitutions. We have rejected the peace, wisdom and self order that flows from Mount Zion, hence we have chosen the gloom and doom of Mount Sinai as well as coming rule of tyrants and dictators under whom the righteous as well as the unrighteous will suffer!

God has given “we the people” over to our collective self folly. We have behaved and chosen foolishly, thus we have elected fools to rule over us!


36 posted on 11/12/2012 9:15:29 AM PST by mdmathis6 ("Barry" Xmas to all and have a rapaciously taxable New Year!)
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To: ravenwolf; AppyPappy

To amplify your posting....remember the Hebrew midwives who FEARED GOD and refused to kill the Hebrew males upon birth despite the edict of the “higher authority” know as Pharoah?

There are trigger points where Godly people must resist even “higher authorities”. Defense of families and children is one trigger point...governments must never pass laws that lead to the moral and physical destruction of children and families! I would advocate a move away policy for children subject to homosexual indoctrination in the California schools, if not outright armed rebellion!


37 posted on 11/12/2012 9:23:31 AM PST by mdmathis6 ("Barry" Xmas to all and have a rapaciously taxable New Year!)
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To: mdmathis6

To amplify your posting....remember the Hebrew midwives who FEARED GOD and refused to kill the Hebrew males upon birth despite the edict of the “higher authority” know as Pharoah?


That is a good example which i had not even thought of.
and here is the nitty gritty

Acts 5
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Peter and the other apostles replied: “We must obey God rather than men!

30
The God of our fathers raised Jesus from the dead—whom you had killed by hanging him on a tree.


These were the authorities.


38 posted on 11/12/2012 10:06:27 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: mdmathis6

My solution or rather plan of action... The republican leadership should bait the media with news of an major announcement, buy air time if needed. Have Rubio stand before the public with the republican leadership behind him and flat out say...
“Elections have consequences, the people have chosen, we will stand down, we will not filibuster, we will not obstruct, we will allow all of the presidents plans to go forward, ...all of them.” “The plan will be the President’s, the consequences his also”.
......
Let it burn. Watch unemployment rise, watch QE4, QE5, QU6 destroy the retirement savings of a generation, watch secessionist movements gel, watch unrest in the inner cities, watch the dollar be replaced by the yuan.


39 posted on 11/12/2012 10:11:26 AM PST by reflecting
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“Mitt Romney did not defend social conservatism, ...did not articulate strong fiscal conservatism and he never repudiated Romneycare, thereby failing to make any credible attacks on Obamacare.”
— Mitt Romney is a Progressive Republican and he did exactly what Progressive Republicans do.

“Conservatives and conservative institutions who embraced him early on are now scrambling to make excuses...Because these conservatives cannot accept that they were wrong, they must conclude that conservatism itself is somehow broken.”
— The “Conservatives” who conclude that Conservatism is broken never were Conservatives in the first place, they are Progressives, and their role is to destroy Conservatism.

“The darndest thing is I’m listening to all this handwringing and most of it is coming from a lot of people who’ve never really been conservative or supported conservatism.”
— They sound an awful lot like the “Conservatives” and “Conservative institutions” who embraced Romney early on, don’t they? They are Progressives.

“The Republican Party will never out Democrat the Democrats.”
— Actually, the Republican and Democrat parties enable each other, they work together. It’s all a grand ruse. Both are Progressive.

“I believe the Republican Party has a better chance of advancing conservatism than the Democrats.”
— The Republican party and the Democrat party are really one massive, all-inclusive Progressive party.

“We will continue to fight the left, but we will also continue to clean up the right.”
— We’ll be wasting precious time if we keep trying to “clean up” the right. Progressive Republicans are not and never will be Conservatives.

“Our Republican leaders in Congress are intent now on caving on virtually every issue.”
— They always are, and they always do. That’s the role of the Progressive Republican. Nothing the Progressive Democrats do is ever undone by the Progressive Republicans, because the Progressive Republicans want all of those things, too.

“Karl Rove is signaling he will play in primaries to fight against conservatives.”
— Karl Rove has been fighting against Conservatives for at least 12 years. He is a Progressive Republican.

“Even some conservatives think we should give up the fight against Obamacare, set up state healthcare exchanges, and succumb.”
— Listen to what you’re saying. Anyone who thinks we should succumb to Obamacare IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE AND NEVER HAS BEEN ONE. Those people are and always were Progressive Republicans.

There is a sick joke being played on Conservatives by Progressives, and if we don’t figure it out fast we will quickly lose everything we have left.

There have been only two Conservative presidents in the last hundred years – Calvin Coolidge and Ronald Reagan. Only two. It’s not a fair fight. It’s two against one – Progressives, both Republicans and Democrats, against Conservatives – and therein lies the sick joke.

Conservatives have been told all along that they belong in the Republican party, that Conservatives and Republicans are the same. Actually Democrats and Republicans belong in the same party and Conservatives should stand alone.

The Progressive Republicans have deluded Conservatives into believing that the worst thing they could do is form a third party. I wonder why? Could it be that if Conservatives left it would be harder for the Progressive Republicans to win an election? Could it be that the voter would then be presented with an honest choice between a Progressive and a Conservative instead of a false choice between a Progressive Republican and a Progressive Democrat? Could it be that if Conservatives left the Republican party the game would be over?

We no longer have the luxury of time. The Progressives have almost completed their task. It’s time to leave the Progressive Republican party behind.
40 posted on 11/12/2012 10:43:34 AM PST by JACKRUSSELL
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To: IbJensen

Be prepared to hear all about lots of “voters staying home”...the Bipartisan Oligarchy would rather we all stew in that mess..than having us all bothered, and deciding to investigate, about all the voters voting who never voted...

Listening to descriptions of how “Democrats got out their ground game” with “superior ability to bring those to the polls who normally would never go” by the commentators on Fox election night..made me realize..what they actually have done is track names that HAVE NOT VOTED IN MANY, MANY elections cycles....and vote them.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/23/No-Car-Finds-2-214-Registered-Voters-110-Years-of-Age-Older

A well-funded project, county-by-county..to examine the names signed in at at the polls..and going out to find those individuals..you’ll find they were never physically at he polls..or they themselves never filled out the absentee ballot....or their names in the death registers.

The very LAST thing the Bipartisan Oligarchy want or need is any semblance of Constitutional Federal Gov’mt or a clean vote.

Both those are up to We the People to cram it down their throats so hard in DC they will, someday, never do otherwise.

As undesirable a candidate Romney was...he “won” the election.

It is up to We the People to consent to left’s theft..or not.


41 posted on 11/12/2012 10:45:56 AM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: ravenwolf; AppyPappy; All

Look at my posting in 36 regarding the “higher authorities” that rule America. The “highest authorities” are US!...our elected officials rule with “OUR CONSENT” as “we the People”!

How much more Godly judgment will fall upon a Republic and the broad electorate given to mass evil than it would upon a monarchy ruling a people unjustly? Yet even then, we have an example of King David who sinned by commanding a census of his people when such was forbidden by Mosaic law. King David was given a choice of punishments and he chose plague which fell upon the people. Had the people risen up against David’s edict calling for such a census, the nation might have been spared God’s wrath. God did not spare the people from judgment just because their king ruled foolishly.

(Remember from the books of Samuel that God said to Samuel to allow the people to have a monarchy because the heart of the Israeli people was hardened and given to sin; this was God’s judgment upon the nation!....the governing of Israel had hitherto been a theocratic republic with tribal representatives meeting yearly with God’s raised up judge(the authority of which the tribes chose to acknowledge; a nascent legislative branch), the Judge himself who acted with Executive authority, and with the priests who offered up the yearly sacrifices and provided prophecies and intepretations of the Mosaic Laws kind of like an early model of our Supreme Court or the judicial branch.) Thus from the old Testament we have our model of government...the Legislative/ representative branch, the executive, and the judicial branches with the Mosaic Code/Covenants made with God acting as their constitution!

As I look at the trinity Godhead and its descriptions in the Bible...the relationship of Spirit,Father and Son, similar patterns of Executive, Judicial, and Legislative self governance seem to suggest themselves.

Even in our own selves, our thought patterns seem to suggest a overiding body of ethical thought and perception...an “internal constitution” telling us what is right or wrong, a process of weighing and balancing which includes a struggle against self interest vs the struggle to act in altruistic fashion; thus we have our internal legislative and judicial branches. Then, from that area that we call our inner “I” or “I Am”, or “our inner man” an impulse goes out to act or not act, our internal executive branch as it were.

To the degree that our “inner man” is Holy Spirit infused and our inner constitution( or “hearts of flesh” as the Bible states) is written upon by that same Spirt, then that is the degree by which a Christian man does Godly deeds and judges in righteous fashion! By collective action, a majority of people so ruled by the Spirit can turn the tide of a nation bent on immoral self suicide, be they “self” ruled by representive republics or autocratically by kings!


42 posted on 11/12/2012 10:59:41 AM PST by mdmathis6 ("Barry" Xmas to all and have a rapaciously taxable New Year!)
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To: mdmathis6

Look at my posting in 36 regarding the “higher authorities” that rule America. The “highest authorities” are US!...our elected officials rule with “OUR CONSENT” as “we the People”!


If you are saying what i think you are, its we the people who are becoming wicked and so we put wicked people in the high places, and i agree.

P.S
Good comment.


43 posted on 11/12/2012 11:21:53 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: reflecting

Actually,the minority Repubs in the Senate for the most part have done that by voting in Partisan fashion. You always had a few “go along to get along” type repubs who were influenced by the Dem leadership to vote on their side because the Dem’s were seeking “bipartisan” cover in case the legislation they were voting on blew up in their faces.

So what you are saying that congress with its GOP majority should just vote 100 per cent on everything the president wants as well as the Dem run senate?

The effect I think would be a political clove/pliven effect which may ultimately utterly destroy the 2 parties and the nation’s current defective political dialectic if not the nation itself! Several new nations may arise out of this mess but they won’t be places of Liberty unless the Spirit of the Lord rules the inner men of those who are trying to build these new nations!


44 posted on 11/12/2012 11:30:13 AM PST by mdmathis6 ("Barry" Xmas to all and have a rapaciously taxable New Year!)
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To: ravenwolf

“we the people” are the “higher authorities” of America, not the “kings and Ceasars” of Paul’s day. Heaven help us because the temporal and eternal responsibility for such sins that go on in our nation falls more broadly upon the body politic than it would if we were ruled by corrupt kings.

The books of the Judges and of Samuel show the pattern of moral decline from theocratic republic to monarchy and finally thru the books of Kings/Chronicles and the prophets...national dissolution,mass killings,famines,and slavery!


45 posted on 11/12/2012 11:47:22 AM PST by mdmathis6 ("Barry" Xmas to all and have a rapaciously taxable New Year!)
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To: ravenwolf

[”will also mention that John in rev said our fight was against spiritual wickedness in high places, and he did not mean in heavenly places because satan was cast down to earth
when the child of God went to be with God, the spiritual wickedness is in high places here on earth”]

Lets put that verse in context(from ephesians by the way) and you’ll see that our battle is”not against flesh or blood”...if it were then your opinion would have some support.
We fight the Devil and his minions ultimately...earthly kings are just his pawns.

“Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.


46 posted on 11/12/2012 12:12:37 PM PST by mdmathis6 ("Barry" Xmas to all and have a rapaciously taxable New Year!)
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To: mdmathis6

Lets put that verse in context(from ephesians by the way) and you’ll see that our battle is”not against flesh or blood”.


I did not say that our fight was against flesh and blood, i said it was against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The same as what you said in different words.


47 posted on 11/12/2012 12:20:33 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: IbJensen

The Mormon church is not against abortion in a political sense, but they do want cult members who are bearing Mormon babies, to be vetted by leadership before getting an abortion.

This is Bishop Romney who used to excommunicate Mormons for deviating from the cult.

August 27, 2012 on CBS:

PELLEY: Well, the platform as written at this convention for the Republicans does not allow for exceptions on abortion with regard to the health of the mother or rape or incest. Is that where you are?

ROMNEY: No. My position has been clear throughout this campaign. I’m in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother.


48 posted on 11/12/2012 2:18:38 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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