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Airlines Face Acute Shortage of Pilots
wsj ^ | November 11, 2012 | SUSAN CAREY, JACK NICAS and ANDY PASZTOR

Posted on 11/12/2012 8:46:40 AM PST by george76

U.S. airlines are facing what threatens to be their most serious pilot shortage since the 1960s, with higher experience requirements for new hires about to take hold just as the industry braces for a wave of retirements.

Federal mandates taking effect next summer will require all newly hired pilots to have at least 1,500 hours of prior flight experience—six times the current minimum—raising the cost and time to train new fliers in an era when pay cuts and more-demanding schedules already have made the profession less attractive. Meanwhile, thousands of senior pilots at major airlines soon will start hitting the mandatory retirement age of 65.

Another federal safety rule, to take effect in early 2014, also will squeeze the supply, by giving pilots more daily rest time. This change is expected to force passenger airlines to increase their pilot ranks by at least 5%. Adding to the problem is a small but steady stream of U.S. pilots moving to overseas carriers, many of which already face an acute shortage of aviators and pay handsomely to land well-trained U.S. captains.

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all U.S. airlines, including cargo, charter and regional carriers, together employ nearly 96,000 pilots, and will need to find more than 65,000 over the next eight years.

In the past eight years, not quite 36,000 pilots have passed the Federal Aviation Administration's highest test, the Air Transport Pilot exam, which all pilots would have to pass under the congressionally imposed rules.

For passengers, the biggest impact is expected to be at smaller, regional carriers.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aal; airlines; avaition; faa; pilots; ual

1 posted on 11/12/2012 8:46:49 AM PST by george76
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To: george76

Nurse shortage.

Construction worker shortage.

Programmer shortage.

Pilot shortage.

Americans who won’t do skilled jobs at ten dollars an hour shortage.


2 posted on 11/12/2012 8:49:26 AM PST by heartwood
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To: george76
Is experience with takeoffs and landings required or only level flight? sarc/
3 posted on 11/12/2012 8:50:06 AM PST by Truth29
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To: george76

Wait until we all face a shortage of DOCTORS. Because that day IS coming.


4 posted on 11/12/2012 8:50:11 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: george76

Hmmmmm....how about higher pay?


5 posted on 11/12/2012 8:50:11 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: george76
"Federal mandates taking effect next summer will require all newly hired pilots to have at least 1,500 hours of prior flight experience—six times the current minimum—"

I must be missing something here. I left the AF (pilot) in '84. Back then, you had to have an Air Transport Pilot (ATP) rating to even apply to the airlines....and the minimum hours required to get an ATP was 1800 hrs.

Their numbers make no sense to me.

6 posted on 11/12/2012 8:51:09 AM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: george76
Gen-Av is one of the feeder stocks, it is dying. The alphabet soup aviation organizations haven't figured out hoe to kids away from the video games or vets into the cockpit at pilot in command. with old 172's w/ instructor running @ $140 hr plus and fuel through the moon, how in G-d's name does someone do it today, unless they do the college route and got their private during their high school years, through really hard work.

Not going to get better in this Obama-Economy...

7 posted on 11/12/2012 8:54:16 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: george76
Federal mandates taking effect

Yup, I see the problem.

8 posted on 11/12/2012 8:58:57 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: proxy_user

I would start by raising the mandatory retirement age from 55 or 60? to 65.


9 posted on 11/12/2012 8:59:35 AM PST by jpsb
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To: proxy_user

A big city bus driver will earn more then a young pilot.

And not so young with smaller lines.


10 posted on 11/12/2012 9:02:23 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: jpsb
Opps,

Dec 14, 2007 – President Bush on Dec. 13 signed into law a new mandatory retirement age for pilots. Now commercial pilots can stay on the job until they're 65

11 posted on 11/12/2012 9:03:17 AM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb

The article states that the mandatory retirement age is 65.


12 posted on 11/12/2012 9:04:10 AM PST by Dianna
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To: heartwood

Shortage of tax payers vs recipients.

RIP USA


13 posted on 11/12/2012 9:07:05 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: george76

Government will solve this. $700 tax per flight. Keeps the peasants off the flights, less carbon pumped in the air and no more shortage of pilots.

(/sarcastic arse mode off)


14 posted on 11/12/2012 9:07:05 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: george76

They’ve cut pilot’s wages continuously for 10 years and there’s STILL a shortage. Who can figure?


15 posted on 11/12/2012 9:18:21 AM PST by DManA
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To: jpsb
I would start by raising the mandatory retirement age from 55 or 60? to 65.

I'm not so sure about that.My understanding is that piloting commercial aircraft is a stressful job.Stress + time zone changes (not an issue for *all* pilots,certainly) + age = potential heart attacks.

16 posted on 11/12/2012 9:30:32 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: taildragger
“Gen-Av is one of the feeder stocks, it is dying. The alphabet soup aviation organizations haven’t figured out hoe to kids away from the video games or vets into the cockpit at pilot in command. with old 172’s w/ instructor running @ $140 hr plus and fuel through the moon, how in G-d’s name does someone do it today, unless they do the college route and got their private during their high school years, through really hard work.”

You got that right. I live on a private airport, and there are 2/3 planes based here than 10 years ago. Fuel is $6.00/gal. Cost to get a commercial License, $20,000 - $30,000, then you have to build time flying business at minimum wage for 10 years to quailify for the Airlines.

But hey, It won’t be long before the gamers’ are flyin our airline’rs from ground stations like the drones.

17 posted on 11/12/2012 9:36:17 AM PST by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: george76
South African Airways recruits promising pilot candidates and sponsors their schooling at a training academy. Upon successful completion the newly minted pilots begin on regional feeder routes and as they gain experience and seniority move on to larger aircraft. This seems to work, or it has until recently when discrimination charges were leveled ... seems white recruits were being denied slots, they were going to blacks candidates with much lower qualifications.
18 posted on 11/12/2012 9:40:33 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: stubernx98

I was getting some new charts the other day and Rentals for a 172 start at $140 per, instructor another 30-40. It is cheaper to buy your own plane and learn in it. I never would of got my instrument rating If I had to rent. Buying my 1979 172 180 Penn yan Superhawk 10 years ago was by far the smartest move in this regard. But hey since there will be no pilots we won’t have to worry about the lack of Controllers, who are leaving just as fast due to mandatory retirement age.


19 posted on 11/12/2012 9:46:04 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: taildragger

Yes. They are making it harder and more expensive for general aviation pilots to fly. I can’t afford it any more. How are civilians pilots supposed to get the experience to become commercial pilots. It was tough enough before. Now it is getting nearly impossible.

I think the whole idea is to make it difficult or impossible for ordinary Americans to travel: cost of fuel, toll roads, inconvenience and expense of air travel and more.


20 posted on 11/12/2012 10:15:59 AM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: heartwood

Look, the liberal schools are pumping out kids who can’t read and want to ‘earn’ a hundred dollars an hour for being a stupid union member.

Here’s the ‘liberal solution’: provide job training for high school dropouts who can’t get jobs because they have ‘issues’ with violence. Train them to fly planes for $8,000 an hour, give them a union (one that donates money and time to the DNC), and call anyone a racist or ‘phobe’ who objects. When planes start falling out of the sky call in the MSM bullies to rough up those who complain...


21 posted on 11/12/2012 10:16:04 AM PST by GOPJ (Petraeus confession: like something from a 'Soviet purge trial'....)
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To: heartwood

There’s no Construction worker shortage - greedy unions killed those jobs.


22 posted on 11/12/2012 10:17:19 AM PST by GOPJ (Petraeus confession: like something from a 'Soviet purge trial'....)
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To: DManA

The airline industry is one of feast or famine. In a former life, I flew long haul international freight, very brutal schedules. With the time zone changes (my personal best is 46 in a five day period) one could see their fellow plots age before your eyes. My job went away after 9/11/01 and there was nothing there for some time. I had to move on. To get current now would cost a great deal of money, with little guarantee of a position. The position simply is not as appealing as it used to be, I don’t see it improving anytime soon.


23 posted on 11/12/2012 10:28:17 AM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: eyeamok
I recently suffered through my MEI because my employer wanted me to instruct. The DE went on at length about how few people were instructing for any length of time anymore and that I was lucky to have had the instructor that I had.

Of course my Gold Seal instructor managed to teach me every maneuver the way the DE hated most. It was a pretty bad check ride, but he passed me, money changed hands, and I got my piece of paper.

The reality of the airlines is this. The troubles of the airlines have burned through a generation of pilots who despite being hired by the majors during the late 90's spent much of the last decade furloughed, losing pay, retirement, and quality of life. The 65 rule change just pushed upgrades to captain back another 5 years. Most of them are regretting their choice to get in the airlines in the first place. Of the 20 guys from my reserve squadron that flew for the airlines only three haven't been furloughed in the last decade. Several have switched companies. One flew for USAir, United, and finally at FedEx. He and the other FedEx pilot are the only ones making decent money. The rest make more by going on military leave. A third of them have completely quit the airlines. Another third are constantly going on long term military leave.

These aren't the guys this article is talking about, but they are indicative of the problem coming up in the airlines. Who would want to do a job that requires a massive investment in training for a job that still qualifies you for food stamps. No thanks

24 posted on 11/12/2012 10:31:54 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: eyeamok
I recently suffered through my MEI because my employer wanted me to instruct. The DE went on at length about how few people were instructing for any length of time anymore and that I was lucky to have had the instructor that I had.

Of course my Gold Seal instructor managed to teach me every maneuver the way the DE hated most. It was a pretty bad check ride, but he passed me, money changed hands, and I got my piece of paper.

The reality of the airlines is this. The troubles of the airlines have burned through a generation of pilots who despite being hired by the majors during the late 90's spent much of the last decade furloughed, losing pay, retirement, and quality of life. The 65 rule change just pushed upgrades to captain back another 5 years. Most of them are regretting their choice to get in the airlines in the first place. Of the 20 guys from my reserve squadron that flew for the airlines only three haven't been furloughed in the last decade. Several have switched companies. One flew for USAir, United, and finally at FedEx. He and the other FedEx pilot are the only ones making decent money. The rest make more by going on military leave. A third of them have completely quit the airlines. Another third are constantly going on long term military leave.

These aren't the guys this article is talking about, but they are indicative of the problem coming up in the airlines. Who would want to do a job that requires a massive investment in training for a job that still qualifies you for food stamps. No thanks

25 posted on 11/12/2012 10:32:07 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: george76

Thanks for posting this. My son in law was a private avation pilot for about six years. He is now an avation safety instructor. He has been waiting for Southwest to start hiring younger pilots. SW usually tries to get very experienced pilots with a lot of flying hours.


26 posted on 11/12/2012 10:36:09 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (0 bummer inherited a worse economy in 2012 than he did in 2008.)
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To: george76

The major airlines have had 1000-1500 hours as a min for over a decade...


27 posted on 11/12/2012 11:41:03 AM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: USNBandit

I’m a pilot, married to a pilot. We know many pilots who have taken up other careers. I saw my husband Friday and Saturday after not seeing him for nearly 8 months because he had to take a job flying a VIP private jet that’s not at home base much. He was able to talk the company into training a back up pilot who’s been unemployed for 2 years. He was fired under trumped up charges so someone making less money with the company could take his position. It’s not uncommon and we personally know pilots it’s happened to, including my husband who’s company claimed that they didn’t get his voluntary furlough paper work, so adios. He had very top seniority and had been a check airman, so was making one of the highest salaries. As far a suing the company- fat chance. They have millions to drag it out forever and we’d go broke. Also, there’s the 600 hour wonders hired by the majors to meet minority quotas. Then there’s dealing with the FAA...talk about evil, corrupt government. I quit flying 12 years ago. And with Obozocare, I’ll be making all my nursing licenses inactive, which is 2 out of 6 that I hold. I won’t be going back. I’d rather work at McDonalds if I have to work than work in health care again.


28 posted on 11/12/2012 12:00:07 PM PST by pops88 (Geek chick standing with Breitbart for truth)
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To: george76

Bfl


29 posted on 11/12/2012 12:06:28 PM PST by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: pops88

I went to school in ‘01 to get my ratings, thinking I was going for freight or airline work. My first flight was 9/10/’01, doh!
It never worked out, as I couldn’t stand the debt I was accruing. Also, they really puff you up about your future, bringing in highly paid pilots to speak. One guy flew a triple seven to Japan and back once per week and was making a quarter of a million dollars per year. THAT gets you pumped up!

But reality started setting in. Two kids that had graduated from the same program had gone on to a 4 year college to finish a degree and instruct. They came back touting their brand spankin’ new right seat positions. Starting at $19,000/year.

Underwhelmed, I was. Plus the realization that a starting Kindergarten teacher makes 1.5X that salary to eat crayons and sniff glue with the kidlets. I dropped out of the program. I don’t regret it for a minute either.


30 posted on 11/12/2012 12:33:49 PM PST by Big Giant Head
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To: george76

My ex-wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now.

31 posted on 11/12/2012 2:35:07 PM PST by mikey_hates_everything
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To: proxy_user; george76; jpsb; DUMBGRUNT

I checked about a flight instructor job yesterday. This one recurrent training outfit starts its part-time instructors at $8.50/hour, jumping to a whopping $12.50/hour after being fully trained. No guaranteed minimum on hours worked. No full-time jobs are open.

Pilot jobs have long been notoriously low-paying until one reaches the top echelons of the majors’ union pay scale.

HF


32 posted on 11/13/2012 8:51:32 AM PST by holden
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Obama has it covered, with all of the retraining and education of the workforce he has promised.

New pilots are no problem:

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33 posted on 11/13/2012 2:13:20 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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