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We Just Had a Class War. And one side won. (The View from the Left)
New York Magazine ^ | 11/11/2012 | Jonathan Chait

Posted on 11/12/2012 11:44:35 AM PST by mojito

When President Obama took the stage at McCormick Place in Chicago well after midnight, we were all too wiped out with joy or depression or Nate Silver auto-refresh fatigue to pay careful attention to the speech the newly reelected president delivered. The phrase that lingered in most of our sleepy ears was the reprise of his career-launching invocation of the United States as being more than red and blue states. So soaring, so unifying. But those words were merely the trappings of magnanimity draped over an argument that was, at its core, harsher than the one he had regularly delivered during the campaign.

The telling phrase came when Obama turned away from the thank-yous and patriotic hymnals into the guts of his remarks. “Despite all our differences,” he transitioned, “most of us share certain hopes for America’s future.” The key term here is “most,” as opposed to “all”—“most” meaning less than 100 percent and possibly as little as 51 percent. He attributed to most Americans a desire for great schools, a desire to limit debt and inequality: “a generous America, a compassionate America.”

Obama then proceeded to define the American idea in a way that excludes the makers-versus-takers conception of individual responsibility propounded by Paul Ryan and the tea party.

(Excerpt) Read more at nymag.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012analysis; 2012electionanalysis; classwarfare; obama
Chait's argument is typically dishonest when it comes to characterizing conservatives or the tea party, but remarkably frank in its admission of what the left wants (your money, your freedom) and why they they are going after it.

Read the whole thing for a candid description of the left's thinking after Zero's victory.

1 posted on 11/12/2012 11:44:41 AM PST by mojito
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To: mojito

The state of New York has petitioned to leave the Union.

Think about that while you’re reading this New York Magazine article.


2 posted on 11/12/2012 11:51:47 AM PST by Tzimisce (Will there be anything to fight for in 2016?)
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To: mojito

The people who take won.
The people who produce and work their ^%$##@( a$$es off lost. Get up in the morning, brush your teeth, get dressed and go to work and they take your money.
Lay around like a lazy slob and pick up your obamaphone and watch the View and collect money from the fools who work.


3 posted on 11/12/2012 11:53:55 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: mojito

It was a difficult read for me. The blatant “progressive” thinking nauseates me. Obama’s “mandate” is going to help him use power and leverage. It all just sounds ominous.


4 posted on 11/12/2012 11:55:36 AM PST by BipolarBob (As long as Bronco is in office I'm on strike.)
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To: mojito

CHURCHILL:

“In War: Resolution,
In Defeat: Defiance,
In Victory: Magnaminity
In Peace: Good Will.”

DEFY THEM!


5 posted on 11/12/2012 11:59:22 AM PST by roses of sharon ("Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." Luke 23:43)
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To: mojito

Basically, Obama won with his ‘tax the rich’ theme.

Money quote:

“The harsh truth that fend-for-yourself economic libertarianism is a worldview mainly confined to the shrinking, aging white electorate is a reality Republicans prefer not to acknowledge.”

He also says that latinos were not voting for Obama over immigration, but because they support big government.


6 posted on 11/12/2012 12:00:00 PM PST by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: mojito
If Obama's vision for America is what the country is all about, how come the Founding Fathers forgot to include 99 weeks of unemployment benefits, affirmative action, universal health care, special rights for unions, and gay marriage in the Bill of Rights?

Obama had a few words which were vaguely conciliatory right after the election, but he's likely to be as uncompromising and hyperpartisan in his second term as he was in his first. He can't run again, and other ambitious Democrats won't like it if Michelle Obama pulls a Lurleen Wallace in 2016.

7 posted on 11/12/2012 12:00:15 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: mojito

I did not leave America. America left me.


8 posted on 11/12/2012 12:02:09 PM PST by llevrok (In comparison to Obama, at least Nero could play the fiddle.)
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To: I want the USA back

They can’t MAKE us produce.


9 posted on 11/12/2012 12:02:39 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: WOSG

Let’s not beat around the bush with the terms like “they support big government.”

Cut to the chase:

0bama voters are a bunch of lazy thieves who are too cowardly to steal for themselves but get the gov’t to do it for them.


10 posted on 11/12/2012 12:04:06 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Tzimisce

The state of New York has petitioned to leave the Union.


Get serious. A few people in that state have petitioned.


11 posted on 11/12/2012 12:05:06 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: roses of sharon

CHURCHILL:

“In War: Resolution,
In Defeat: Defiance,
In Victory: Magnaminity
In Peace: Good Will.”

OBAMA:

“In War: Vacillation,
In Defeat: Resentment.
In Victory: Revenge,
In Peace: Oppression.

Magnaminity has no place in the liberal pantheon.


12 posted on 11/12/2012 12:07:14 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: mojito

From the article: “The outcome was plain. The 47 percent turned out to be the 51 percent.”

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.


13 posted on 11/12/2012 12:11:15 PM PST by RKBA Democrat
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To: MrB

“They can’t MAKE us produce.”

Exactly; if you keep stealing what I make, I’ll stop making it.

Or better, I’ll stop telling you what I make. Since we are going to be a Soviet command economy, we might as well adjust to getting by as the Soviets did; “na levo” or “on the side.” It will become a barter economy, where people trade goods and services under the radar. The public officials will not police it, they will willingly be a part of it. If you want a bureaucrat to do anything, you have to bribe them with some whiskey, hookers, or some frozen steaks. It’s not “what does it cost” it’s “what do you have?”

Look at how the USSR turned out. When push came to shove, it collapsed from within because nobody had any loyalty to a system that stole from them and lied to them. Most Americans just haven’t figured out that its a new game. Also, when the USSR collapsed, look at how quickly the “Russian mafia” appeared. And who comprised the Russian mafia? Ex-KGB agents. In reality, the Russian mafia and the KGB were the same thing. And so it will be here with our “Homeland Security.” To get by, you will have to bribe the Homeland Security people with tomatoes or a new deck or whatever goods or services you provide “na levo.”

People with real skills that are necessary to getting by in life, like building trades, will do well. The 0bamaphone owners...well, they will just have their 0bamaphones. They don’t have anything to offer.


14 posted on 11/12/2012 12:22:53 PM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: MrB
They can’t MAKE us produce.

No, but most of us will produce as long as it's in our own best interests, until it isn't.

15 posted on 11/12/2012 12:29:43 PM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: MrB
It's true ... they can't make us produce. But what the takers/Democrat Socialists/the Left count on is that we're so comfortable with our lifestyle that we'll put up with just about anything to preserve it. And in many respects they are correct -- that is, we have far more to lose than do the slugs of our society if (when) everything comes crashing down.
16 posted on 11/12/2012 12:33:13 PM PST by glennaro
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To: mojito

Let’s just sit back and watch the Smart People fix everything...


17 posted on 11/12/2012 12:37:09 PM PST by bigbob
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To: glennaro

I’ve even heard some academic leftist crow that taxing producers heavily makes them work even harder to maintain their lifestyle.


18 posted on 11/12/2012 12:43:16 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

This is not even a class war; it is class pot-shots.


19 posted on 11/12/2012 12:44:05 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: WOSG

It doesn’t make it any less stupid, though.


20 posted on 11/12/2012 12:45:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: RKBA Democrat

They presented themselves as 51% at the polls


21 posted on 11/12/2012 12:47:59 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: mojito
Hardly. The war just started 6 days ago.
22 posted on 11/12/2012 12:49:36 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: llevrok

When we are children, most of us think about running away from home. But, if you live long enough, it is likely that home will run away from you.


23 posted on 11/12/2012 12:53:37 PM PST by Anima Mundi (You can lead a brain to facts but you can't make it think.)
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To: Tzimisce

http://www.examiner.com/article/multiple-states-petition-obama-to-secede-from-union-start-own-governments?cid=rss

Several of them have — Virginia and Tennessee are the only former Confederate States not petititioning, and Oklahoma and New Mexico, which had secessionist movements (the Five Civilized Nations in Oklahoma seceded as tribes), were still territories.


24 posted on 11/12/2012 12:55:35 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: MrB
They can’t MAKE us produce.

The National Socialists 2 generations ago would beg to differ. They had a nifty slogan, too. "Work makes you free" ("Arbeit macht frei")

25 posted on 11/12/2012 1:04:22 PM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Verginius Rufus
Obama had a few words which were vaguely conciliatory right after the election.....

Actually, if you read the Chait article, in which Chait parses Barky closely, you see that Obama, as he insists, was more hard-edged and hyperpartisan than ever, and still bringing the class-warfare rhetoric, even in victory -- which in American political tradition is the time for magnanimity and reconciliation.

Of course, America has never had doctrinaire Marxist-Leninist hardguys like Plouffe and Valerie Jarrett and Barky running it before. A bunch of middle-class, hothouse tuff guys trying to prove how "all-that" they are: a bunch of Strelnikov wannabe's, lusting to stand a bunch of "capitalists" in front of a wall </off Zhivago>.

Anyone think it was a coincidence that Holder went out and arrested a bunch of white guys in Texas the next day?

26 posted on 11/12/2012 1:07:04 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Teacher317

The purpose of those camps was not to produce enough goods and services to subsidize the lifestyles of half the country. It was to humiliate and kill.

Now, I’m not saying that the left wouldn’t love to humiliate and kill all conservatives & Christians,

but such a program would not provide enough capital to support their dependent class.


27 posted on 11/12/2012 1:10:13 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: henkster

You nailed it!!! Good post


28 posted on 11/12/2012 1:15:03 PM PST by BobinIL
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To: mojito

The day that VOTING died in America..
And many became political adults..
Nov. 2012... A political right of passage..


29 posted on 11/12/2012 1:26:09 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Tzimisce
The state of New York has petitioned to leave the Union.

New York state is more than New York City.

I lived in the Rochester area in the 1970s, and signed a petition for secession from NYC, where all the tax dollars flowed.

Appalachia begins in the southern part of NY. Wayne County, on Lake Ontario, has some of the poorest people I've ever seen in this country. Back before cell phones, cars would slide off the roads in blizzards. It was not unheard of for people to DIE in their cars because they could not see a building 100 feet away in the snow. The "Big City" in western NY is Toronto.
30 posted on 11/12/2012 1:27:19 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: mojito

Many people like myself will look to reduce their exposure to taxes. My overall goal is to to stop the feeding of the beast. Producing just enough to satisfy our new smaller limited lifestyle. And don’t come to me for a job, I am not hiring.


31 posted on 11/12/2012 1:27:41 PM PST by D Rider
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To: mojito

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC_DRzZyCcM&list=UUBABsFdW6BWDykitKZAt8vg&index=2&feature=plcp


32 posted on 11/12/2012 2:34:18 PM PST by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: mojito

It’s amazing that Chait managed to remove the super-suction type hold his lips had on Obama’s posterior to write this article. Truly incredible.


33 posted on 11/12/2012 2:36:13 PM PST by driftless2
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To: mojito

The youth and everyone else faces pay cuts, cuts in scheduled hours and increasing unavailability of good jobs. How did the Left win, really? Maybe the guys at the top won but no one else.


34 posted on 11/12/2012 3:15:51 PM PST by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: Nepeta

You think you’re going to leave the union with New York City in your boundaries?


35 posted on 11/12/2012 7:36:30 PM PST by Tzimisce (Will there be anything to fight for in 2016?)
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To: mojito
A pity, really. Chait had a few good points but is so trapped in stereotype that he can't really think. This, for instance:

Obama’s goal was to prove to the GOP that their rigid defense of the richest one percent was political poison and to force them to bend.

I challenge him to produce a single shred of evidence that this ridiculous propaganda point had any basis in reality. It didn't, and it wasn't the basis of any political traction other than within the ranks of the already true believers.

But yes, a culture war was and is still being conducted against everything the conservatives can be accused of holding dear. Some of it will be broadly regretted when lost - freedom of speech, for example. This is not a cultural war between makers and takers so much as a war between controllers and their slaves, between statist progressives and everyone else they think ought to live according to their dictates. Here I celebrate Chait for his candor if not for his sound thinking:

Of course, what the people want is all fairly beside the point now. What matters in Washington is power and leverage—two things that accrued dramatically in Obama’s favor last week. But it’s not irrelevant that American voters had a chance to lay down their marker on the major social divide of our time: whether government can mitigate the skyrocketing inequality generated by the marketplace.

In short, in Chait's view the people have voted for government redistribution of wealth, or at least can be portrayed as having done so, and after that it really doesn't matter what they want anymore. Yes, this is undisguised state socialism. And Mr. Chait intends to effect it through coercion.

We need to start remembering names. Because the class war hasn't been won because the loudmouthed Left has declared it so.

36 posted on 11/12/2012 7:56:03 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: WOSG

“Money quote:

“The harsh truth that fend-for-yourself economic libertarianism is a worldview mainly confined to the shrinking, aging white electorate is a reality Republicans prefer not to acknowledge.”

He also says that latinos were not voting for Obama over immigration, but because they support big government.

If Obama is right then everyone must know America’s best days are far-behind her. There is no way a people who will not individuality work hard will be prosperous. Folks that wait around for others to carry their weight and place blame and expectation upon others shoulders for their failings & success will see little success and much failings.

This is the case all around the world where this ideology is tried. It can be no different here, that is simple human nature tried and tested.


37 posted on 11/13/2012 12:24:48 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise

One day these leftist minority will wake up and realize that the America their forefathers came to to have a chance at real freedom and prosperity is now no different than the land they left behind because of what they foolishly abandoned.

At that point it is likely to be too late even for them who remember as they too will be too old and comparatively wealthy(due to the growing number of unproductive poor) to be taken seriously by the socialist doctrine, instead they will be the new targets.

If Obama is right about theses people & their desired “change”, America & freedom is perhaps irrecoverably dead. There is too much built up wealth in this land for them to gorge themselves on before they are past the point of no return(from a generational education perspective).


38 posted on 11/13/2012 12:34:17 AM PST by Monorprise
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