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Ky., Ind. among states with petitions to secede
WLKY ^ | 11.12. 2012 | Eric King

Posted on 11/12/2012 12:48:36 PM PST by Morgana

According to the White House, more than 7,000 people have signed petitions for Indiana and Kentucky to secede from the union. Related.

In total, there are 20 states with similar petitions, all of them filed within the last two days.

The petitions all came from individuals and not state governments.

Withdrawing from the union is not legal.

They all read the same way, "We petition the Obama administration to peacefully grant (the state) to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government."

The petitions also cite Declaration of Independence.

The petitions require 25,000 signatures each, by Dec. 10. If they reach the threshold of 25,000, they’ll receive a response from the president.

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KEYWORDS: kentucky; obama; secede; sedede; union
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1 posted on 11/12/2012 12:48:47 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

And I predict nothing will come of it. Duh.


2 posted on 11/12/2012 12:50:01 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Morgana

well we know that aint gonna happen.i would prefer they expose election fraud.


3 posted on 11/12/2012 12:56:15 PM PST by dalebert
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To: Morgana

Indiana? What are they seceding from? They just elected a liberal DEM to be their US Senator. They are reasonably content with the direction of the nation.


4 posted on 11/12/2012 12:56:47 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (campaigned for local conservatives only)
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To: 1rudeboy

No, but it shows how people are feeling across the country and pisses off Obama.


5 posted on 11/12/2012 12:57:02 PM PST by Halls (Jesus is my Lord and Savior)
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To: Morgana

I’ll take it seriously when I see the legislature pass a resolution.


6 posted on 11/12/2012 12:57:56 PM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Halls
pisses off Obama

Joke, right? You think he cares?

7 posted on 11/12/2012 1:04:37 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Morgana
Withdrawing from the union is not legal.

Show me in the US Constitution Article/Section that says secession is illegal.

8 posted on 11/12/2012 1:04:56 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Morgana
By my count, so far Louisiana, Texas, Kentucky and Indiana have petitioned to secede. Any others?

South Carolina was first last time, what gives?

9 posted on 11/12/2012 1:05:14 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Never Underestimate the Power of Evil or Evil Doers)
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To: Morgana

> The petitions require 25,000 signatures each, by Dec. 10. If they reach the threshold of 25,000, they’ll receive a response from the president.

Yes, in the form of revenge. Maybe the petitioners’ homes will be raided or their tax returns audited.


10 posted on 11/12/2012 1:06:06 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT
"Indiana? What are they seceding from? They just elected a liberal DEM to be their US Senator. They are reasonably content with the direction of the nation."

We also went for Romney, a Repub governer and complete Repub control of the legislature. Unfortunately our idiot tea party buffoon of a senate candidate couldn't get his foot out of his mouth.

11 posted on 11/12/2012 1:06:49 PM PST by circlecity
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To: 1rudeboy
And I predict nothing will come of it. Duh.

Exactly right, of course. Take Alabama, for example (and somebody has a petition for us to secede, too): The Huntsville/Madison area has an economy that is substantially dependent on Government military contracts. You think that would be maintained if Alabama were suddenly not a part of the United States? Never mind all of the other troubles that would be created by a secession.

Yeah, we hate the election results; we have a polarized country. But this isn't gonna solve the problem.

12 posted on 11/12/2012 1:11:08 PM PST by alancarp (Democrats can't win on merits, so it's okay to cheat, steal, lie, break the law to "win" elections.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

We also elected another conservative Governor, Mike Pence, to replace Governor Daniels.

Mourdock would have won easily but he couldn’t keep his mouth shut, especially after Akins got roasted for the same thing. Republicans are the stupid party after all.


13 posted on 11/12/2012 1:11:31 PM PST by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: Morgana
The petitions all came from individuals and not state governments.

Then they are worthless. This shouldn't be in Front Page News. This is not worthy of the last page. It is not news. It is just a bunch of people who aren't happy.

Until their Duly Elected State Governments petition the United States for Independence or declare their independence, it is just a waste of electrons on a website.

14 posted on 11/12/2012 1:15:35 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Morgana

CAUTION! These things are likely traps to entice you to click the link and go to the White House website where your IP address and browser configuration will be recorded for future reference.


15 posted on 11/12/2012 1:18:02 PM PST by fso301
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To: 1rudeboy

This is their way of blowing off steam. We fired a liberal right on schedule the day after the elections, and this was our way of blowing off steam. I would prefer if they wrote a letter that said F888 YOU OBAMA though...


16 posted on 11/12/2012 1:18:57 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: alancarp
You are really missing the point. To secede renders the ties to DC irrelevant. Those tied to DC must learn to survive. Anyone working defense would now be working for the seceding states defense anyway.

If you have bone cancer in your leg you cut it off and worry about walking later.

17 posted on 11/12/2012 1:21:49 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: dalebert

The liberals did the same thing in 04.

Personally I’d like to see the states return to choosing senators the way it was done before the 17th unconstitutional amendment. There are at least 23 states with all 3 branches of state government in GOP hands. For those keeping score, that’s 46 GOP senators right there.


18 posted on 11/12/2012 1:22:03 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: central_va
Show me in the US Constitution Article/Section that says secession is illegal.

exactly

19 posted on 11/12/2012 1:23:37 PM PST by Abundy
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To: P-Marlowe
Until their Duly Elected State Governments petition the United States for Independence or declare their independence, it is just a waste of electrons on a website.

You got it bass ackward. The Duly Elected State Governments put secession to the people of that state. If passed, then out of courtesy, FedGov™ is informed. Nobody in this case asks FedGov™ for permission.

20 posted on 11/12/2012 1:25:17 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Morgana

There are many petitions for peacefully leaving the USA. The WH says they will give a formal response if a petition gets 25,000 clicks.

So far, the petition on behalf of Texas is the only one of the many with more than 25,000 clicks.

i predict they will all make it.


21 posted on 11/12/2012 1:27:40 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Last I heard it was up to 20.


22 posted on 11/12/2012 1:28:40 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Jyotishi

Yeah, one must “register with the White House” before signing a petition!


23 posted on 11/12/2012 1:31:37 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: 1rudeboy

No. Not a joke! It’s already been shown he is very thinned skin. This will irk him.


24 posted on 11/12/2012 1:31:45 PM PST by Halls (Jesus is my Lord and Savior)
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To: ilovesarah2012

If 50 states secede and form the ‘New USA’, then we could leave 0bammy in charge of the other 7.


25 posted on 11/12/2012 1:34:10 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Never Underestimate the Power of Evil or Evil Doers)
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To: Halls

Hurray! We “irked” the President! [spit]


26 posted on 11/12/2012 1:37:35 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: The Sons of Liberty

LOL - sounds like a plan!


27 posted on 11/12/2012 1:40:53 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: l8pilot; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; A Strict Constructionist; ...
South Carolina
Ping

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South Carolina's petition. You have to sign up but that's not a big deal. Make up a name and use a throwaway gmail address.

28 posted on 11/12/2012 1:52:05 PM PST by upchuck (We are not finished yet. But when nobama chooses some more SCOTUS judges, we will be. For ever.)
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To: circlecity
We also went for Romney, a Repub governer and complete Repub control of the legislature. Unfortunately our idiot tea party buffoon of a senate candidate couldn't get his foot out of his mouth.

sorry but Mourdock was absolutely correct. He stated that a pregnancy, even if the result of rape, is a gift from God.

if the pregnancy is not a gift from God, who is it from and who created the new human being??

29 posted on 11/12/2012 1:52:21 PM PST by terycarl
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To: l8pilot; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; A Strict Constructionist; ...
South Carolina
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South Carolina's petition. You have to sign up but that's not a big deal. Make up a name and use a throwaway gmail address.

30 posted on 11/12/2012 1:52:47 PM PST by upchuck (We are not finished yet. But when nobama chooses some more SCOTUS judges, we will be. For ever.)
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To: Morgana
United State Supreme Court ruled in the late 1800s, after the Civil War, that once a state voluntarily enters the union, it cannot pick and choose when it wants to leave.

Is that so? Does anybody have a link to that SCOTUS ruling?

31 posted on 11/12/2012 1:55:35 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: 1rudeboy

I tend to think Obama is bit schitzy and one part of the brain really doesn’t care and another part of his brain gets angry that there would be any kind of challenge. Of course how his enablers handle these matters is a separate issue.


32 posted on 11/12/2012 1:58:41 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: noinfringers2

Yep, I think any sort of challenge really enrages our Boy King, the ignorant arrogant narcissist.


33 posted on 11/12/2012 2:00:27 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: circlecity; Azeem

Pence.

Not good enuf for secession. DEMS still have a stronghold in IN. You do not qualify.


34 posted on 11/12/2012 2:00:44 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (campaigned for local conservatives only)
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To: Former Fetus

Seems to me that would apply from then forth.

Also, some states entered by treaty. As a separate country when the entered, they can disavow the treaty and go IMO.

The CSA’s mistake was to just leave and fire upon the union. I think they should have taken their case to court.
The constitution first amendment has the right to asssociation granted to the. Seems to me if you don’t want to associate any longer, that is a constitutional right!

Lastly, if these don’t work, call for a constitutional convention, each state has a vote and change it. Make it a constitutional certainty that only if you own property or have lawful income can you vote. In other words, get rid of the moochers.


35 posted on 11/12/2012 2:03:25 PM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Former Fetus
Is that so? Does anybody have a link to that SCOTUS ruling?

That is BS. The SCOTUS, if it had ruled that secession was illegal AFTER the Civil War, would have made the South totally within its Constitutional rights to secede. The US Constitution is silent on the issue of secession, and will remain so forever.

President Davis asked for a trial after the war but was denied a trial. Nobody wanted to put him, and secession, on trial. Everyone knew that would be a losing case and secession would be found Constitutional.

36 posted on 11/12/2012 2:05:03 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: alancarp

.............Never mind all of the other troubles that would be created by a secession.

Sir, I appreciate your post and indeed everyone’s post! So, please don’t take offense at my comment re the above sentence plucked out of your post.

To me, what that statement says is laughable because these here United States of America ALREADY have more “other troubles” than they can possibly digest. Indeed, our troubles today make the run-up to the Civil War look like a walk in the park! All they were fussin about back then was “states rights”. What my kids are facing TODAY is a day when thousands of pissed off marxists and socialists are heading toward their house because their government issued debit card they have used for years to pay their bills so they don’t have to work is all of a sudden getting rejected and they are hungry!!!...and their kids are hungry....and they are MAD as hell, and you will not be able to reason with them and they will Kill you and your daughters and sons and wife for what you got and they will think nothing of it! It’s the ole “mob mentality” you see.

So, “Secession”, or talking about it, or thinking about or theorizing about it is a JOKE !!! Most people today realize that and that explains why they are lined up at the gunstores ten deep! They really don’t give a damn about secession. They do care about when those debit cards, held by fifty million people, start being rejected! When that happens, and it will, because we are already broke, then aint nobody gonna be talking about no secession! You and your friends will be forming platoons and companys and electing officers exactly like what happened back in 1860!

And, nevermind to those that will say they will print some money and prolong the status quo that way! Well, two things about that: 1. Obama and Geitner have already been doing that to buy back worthless and existing US debt. 2. The mobs are still coming to kill you and yours because a dozen eggs, thanks to printing money (QE whatever!)cost $25,000.00 kinda sorta like Chile and Argentina years back.

So, Sir, you are right about one thing! Secession is irrelevant. But, it is irrelevant because our troubles now are so monumental that our 50-50 government in Washington simply cannot deal with them and, like Greece, things will start getting settled in the streets and it won’t be pretty because here, unlike Greece, everybody will be armed to the teeth!


37 posted on 11/12/2012 2:08:01 PM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: P-Marlowe
Then they are worthless. This shouldn't be in Front Page News. This is not worthy of the last page. It is not news. It is just a bunch of people who aren't happy. Until their Duly Elected State Governments petition the United States for Independence or declare their independence, it is just a waste of electrons on a website.

Exactly!!

DITTO!!

38 posted on 11/12/2012 2:08:29 PM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: Former Fetus
Does anybody have a link to that SCOTUS ruling?

The decision in Texas v. White (1869) is here.

39 posted on 11/12/2012 2:13:57 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: central_va
I posted a link to SCOTUS's decision in Texas v. White above on this thread. The Supreme Court ruled in that case as follows:

"When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration, or revocation, except through revolution, or through consent of the States.

"Considered therefore as transactions under the Constitution, the ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law."

40 posted on 11/12/2012 2:21:03 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Morgana

Newt Gingrich for President Of South Carolina 2013!


41 posted on 11/12/2012 2:22:20 PM PST by Leep (Are you smarter than a 7th grade math student and or Barack 0bama?)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Texas Vs. White does not stop a state from seceding. Sorry. If the people of that state want to secede than they leave. It is the ultimate Constitutional right under the 10th amendment.


42 posted on 11/12/2012 2:24:18 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: dalebert

“well we know that aint gonna happen.i would prefer they expose election fraud.”

And then what? That racist Nazi snake Holder at Just-Us won’t prosecute.


43 posted on 11/12/2012 2:29:01 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Morgana

This could be kindling under a proposed bonfire..
What legal is whatever Eric Holder says it is..
And voting has pretty much died as an alternative..

I don’t mean this to be funny.. Anger is seething..
And if mine is too..


44 posted on 11/12/2012 2:33:40 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Morgana

This is a waste of time. Why help Obama weaken America further?


45 posted on 11/12/2012 2:47:37 PM PST by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Ya know. I’m just as upset as we all are over this election. I was simply making the point this would piss Obama off. Does it come to a hill of beans? No!!!! But anytime Obama is pissed by what’s left of us true patriots it makes me proud.


46 posted on 11/12/2012 3:29:28 PM PST by Halls (Jesus is my Lord and Savior)
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To: central_va

Fair point... and I agree with you. However, my (unclear) point is that no matter what the sentiment towards secession is, the people will refuse to go through the immediate pain required in order to get the long term cure.


47 posted on 11/12/2012 3:46:00 PM PST by alancarp (Democrats can't win on merits, so it's okay to cheat, steal, lie, break the law to "win" elections.)
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To: fso301

“CAUTION! These things are likely traps to entice you to click the link and go to the White House website where your IP address and browser configuration will be recorded for future reference.”

I understand your concern because I look for big brother to be lurking everywhere, too, but this is the official white house site for petitions. Here is the link for the main index page from which you can view all of the states that citizens have so far introduced petitions for.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions

Alaska isn’t there for some reason, but it can be found through this link.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/allow-alaskans-free-and-open-election-decide-whether-or-not-alaska-should-secede-united-states/T7mz4lzx

I’m not saying that it is safe as far as IP logging, but it is the same place people have gone to write a petition to legalize marijuana, so there.

I hear a lot of cynicism on this thread and that is shameful. We need to have a serious discussion about the viability of seceding, either as individual states or as a group. There are many unknowns and quite a few details to work out before we find ourselves cut off from each other when sites like this are shut down. You’ve got to stop taking this freedom of speech thing for granted. Communism doesn’t allow it. Just ask a former Soviet citizen.

For you folks with the sneering condescension, maybe things just haven’t gotten bad enough for you yet. Trust me they will. You don’t have to look very far back in the past at how much liberty we’ve already had stripped away to see where we are going. Let’s just hope this option is still on the table when you find you have no freedoms left to lose.


48 posted on 11/12/2012 4:07:02 PM PST by mom of young patriots
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To: Morgana

While I’m disappointed in the election results, practically to the point of being distraught, this secession movement is not unlike your run-of-the-mill liberal “feel good” exercise that won’t amount to a hill of beans.


49 posted on 11/12/2012 4:29:43 PM PST by mellow velo (Oxymorons: jumbo shrimp, rap music, liberal think-tank)
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To: Morgana

Can we get 25,000 signatures so the Upper Peninsula of Michigan can secede from Lower Peninsula of Michigan. It is not like detroit or Lansing contributes anything to the UP. It is bad when I for myself have to go to Wisconsin for just about everything medical as well as major grocery shopping (Woodmans in Appleton or Green Bay, Aldi’s in Rhinelander). More of my neighbors have the houses up here as second homes from Ilinois. The 51st State Superiorland. Or just maybe the UP can go with Canada. Man it is interesting more and more cash that I do spend in the UP is giving back as Canadian. Oddly enough many positions for employment in the UP of Michigan go unfilled - lack of talented or appropriately skilled people to fill the open positions.


50 posted on 11/12/2012 4:32:18 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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