Posted on 11/12/2012 12:48:36 PM PST by Morgana
According to the White House, more than 7,000 people have signed petitions for Indiana and Kentucky to secede from the union. Related.
In total, there are 20 states with similar petitions, all of them filed within the last two days.
The petitions all came from individuals and not state governments.
Withdrawing from the union is not legal.
They all read the same way, "We petition the Obama administration to peacefully grant (the state) to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government."
The petitions also cite Declaration of Independence.
The petitions require 25,000 signatures each, by Dec. 10. If they reach the threshold of 25,000, they’ll receive a response from the president.
(Excerpt) Read more at wlky.com ...
These people need to be soliciting they state legislatures and governors.
So, we don’t need to ask - just TELL them we did. 8)
“”Does anybody have a link to that SCOTUS ruling?”
The decision in Texas v. White (1869) is here.”
I can’t believe people care about the self-serving opinion of a bunch of hand picked Federal employees in black robes regarding our natural and inalienable right to self-government...
I mean did we ask the english courts to rule that we had the right to withdraw from the British union, or the english king for that matter?
I know its ironic because theses petitions are latterly asking the King (Obama) for that right. Something we never think of doing in 1776. The point is people either have the right to form their own government and govern themselves or they don’t.
If they don’t then America was a fraud from day one. All Obama’s no answer will do is prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that violence will be both nessary and prodent course of actions.
That those wishing to reclaim their rights and withdraw from the distrcutive union would then have to formulate a plan in which to entrap its government in a no-win senereio. This is not a particularly difficult thing to do from the inside, even easier still when you caculate in the numerous foreign threats.
A nation of prisoners is likely to have a prison break against which there will be no outside forces to restore order. Of course the underlining truth is, Leftist states in their heart desire this separation almost as much as we do.
They are not all blind to the reality that with respect to all that our common government is imposing upon us we are unable to live & work together in political peace.
So in my mind a no answer represent significant political progress on the road to Independence, pariculary from someone like Obama. A yes answer on the other hand is not so helpful as we are quite obviously no where yet ready to take advantage of it.
Obama will wipe his ass with these petitions and life will go on.
So did ND, but it was the only race on the ticket that wasn't R+15 or better. Was Indiana close? Did it break the pattern? Because the Dems had to keep the Senate or Obozo would be in a bind. I would not put it past them to steal some votes to keep Massah 'bama running the plantation.
Only if he and others of his ilk do not succeed in shutting the current activity down. Stopping fracking stops the boom, and they are working hard on stopping it.
yes, ND disqualified themselves from the secession. They voted to remain part of the Reid Senate.
CA OR WA MT ND all remain part of the lefty UNION so it is contiguous. With CO also UNION, the secession dies. The Confederacy is only the old confederacy, minus VA.
Did they? Or was the election stolen?
Another hint, there, the oil production is all in the western part of the state, the oil envy is in the East, where Heitkamp allegedly carried a few (mostly urban) counties. Think Fargo and Grand Forks, who are jealous of the oil boom even though they indirectly benefit from the revenue, too.
But if you pay attention to all the races on the ticket, as I said, somehow Heidi bucked the trend of R+15% or more to squeak out a 'win'. It is subject to a recount, that's how close that was.
So don't go putting down the 2nd highest oil producing state in the Nation as being wholesale behind Hairy Reed or any of the Demagenda.
Look at what the Traitor has done to the coal industry. Korea and Japan are begging for an alternate source of coal besides Manchuria, and President Snowball is working hard to make sure that no coal will be shipped from the West Coast.
The treehuggers and unions here in the Northwest are frantically trying to ban coal and lumber shipping from Portland and Seattle on "enviromental" grounds. That they are cutting their own throats doesn't cross their dim little minds.
if the GOP had balls and fought the fraud back in the last two or 3 elections and had balls to fight this corruption in this election then we wuld not be having to see things like this.
If the votes were counted correctly in VA, FL, OH, WI, PA, and the voters were crossed off with the registration rolls to see if people were legal to vote in that area or this country eventhen we;d havea free and fair election and the elft would not keep winning.
But alas we have many many cowards on our side who refuse to do anything or say anything because they do not want to be called a name off the left and the media.
Those cowards are the reason why this country is turning into socialism so thanks a frigging lot cowards.
Allen West the only man standing up and yesterday yet again we find that repblican votes were not counted but suppose we should reach out and move on.ARF
exactly
course you ever want to see as tate so seperated then it is my state
south FL is full of illegals, yankeee liberals, union and third world less educated
North of DAYTONA is like the old south , here is my county and how it voted.
http://enrnow.votesjc.com/FL/St_Johns/42920/111353/en/md.html?cid=0103
From flying and ground surveys of over 6000 oil producing and drilling locations a couple of years ago in ND, looking for dead birds and then charging 7 oil companies in the deaths of 28 individual waterfowl wanting $15,000.00/bird and someone to do 6 months jail time per bird (thankfully thrown out of court by the judge)...
to the incessant PR war on hydraulic fracturing (because they still lack the science to show even one instance of a frac job polluting near surface aquifers (where drinking water comes from), and only a couple of spills and one instance of someone (illegally) polluting any surface water).
Anyhow, the attacks go on, because public perception is key, not reality--and they are spending a fortune in our money to try and prove an unprovable case...If there was a problem, they wouldn't have to look so hard to try to find it.
What really makes NO sense, is that the production of government-owned minerals (oil, metals, rare earths, timber, etc.) only adds to the treasury, without the government having to put up any venture capital, do the work, or take the economic risk. Done on a lease basis with a royalty interest written in, not only does the government get lease money up front (even if no economically viable deposits are found), but they get production royalties from any minerals produced, they get to tax corporate and individual income, excise taxes on tires, etc., and tax every drop of fuel.
The reason North Dakota's individual income tax went down is the oil revenue which has given the State a significant surplus.
His coal laws will affect us as well, and we are an exporter of electricity because of the coal industry here.
Wyoming is in a similar boat, only much of their oil and gas industry has been hurt by being Federal Land, and far harder to lease. The coal mines near Gillette load unit trains which could be going to the coast and overseas if no one wanted to burn it here, still revenue, still employing miners and others.
As for timber, no one knows how many millions of board feet of lumber have rotted on the stump or fueled wildfires when they should have been harvested and replanted, especially in pine bark beetle areas--in states farther west.
In the meantime, prosperity has become dismal poverty for whole towns as a result of policy which did more harm to the environment (not to mention the economy) than good.
We will continue to develop what we can, while we can. When the time comes to rebuild America, we'll need it.
All it takes is just one state to step past the symbolic gesture of secession into the actual reality of it.
Just one state will break the ice.
It does not have to be Texas or Florida.
But it does need to happen, elections have consequences.
Freedom begins with the word “no”.
NO, fedgov, we’ll not impose these things on our state’s citizens.
Mark my words, with this country being so very badly divided, down the road, we could very well see a second American civil war. Do not believe me, look at the sales in guns since Obama has become President, which has gone up, way up.
Jeeeeesh, wouldn’t it be easier to move to France, like all the Liberals do when things go opposite of their views? LOL!!
ND does not qualify for secession. You can check the rules yourself. If you do not believe me, look at InTrade on ND secession.
Additionally, the west coast needs a corridor from WA to MN to keep the Union contiguous. ND and MT stay. And Couer D’Alene, too.
Besides, who in the hell are you to decide what is what or who is who? We have the oil.
ok, i surrender. you can have half the continent. Send me a postcard from your capital.
LOL!
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