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PATRAEUS COULD FACE CHARGES - FBI Deemed Petraeus Affair Part of Criminal, Not Intel Probe
ABC NEWS - VIA DRUDGE ^ | 11/12/12 | MARTHA RADDATZ (@martharaddatz) , PIERRE THOMAS (@PierreTABC) , JASON RYAN (@JasonRyanABC) and JONAT

Posted on 11/12/2012 2:49:30 PM PST by texas_mrs

The FBI withheld its findings about Gen. David Petreaus' affair from the White House and congressional leaders because the agency considered them the result of a criminal investigation that never reached the threshold of an intelligence probe, law enforcement sources said today.

The sources said agents followed department guidelines that generally bar sharing information about developing criminal investigations. The FBI is also aware of its history under former director Herbert Hoover of playing politics and digging into the lives of public figures. As one official said, the rules are designed to protect people (both private and elected officials) when negative information about them arises in the course of a criminal investigation that is not a crime.

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1 posted on 11/12/2012 2:49:37 PM PST by texas_mrs
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To: texas_mrs

“The FBI is also aware of its history under former director Herbert Hoover...”

Was it Herbert, or his brother J. Edgar?


2 posted on 11/12/2012 2:52:07 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Democrats are evil. Republicans are stupid.)
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To: texas_mrs

The man who knew too much.


3 posted on 11/12/2012 2:52:41 PM PST by ILS21R
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

No, no ~ that’s his distant cousin the equally famous “Herbert Heever”


4 posted on 11/12/2012 2:53:38 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: texas_mrs

Wow. The White House is tightening the screws. REVENGE!


5 posted on 11/12/2012 2:54:48 PM PST by petitfour
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To: texas_mrs; xzins; Joe Marine 76; jude24

If this affair was in violation of the UMCJ then why is the FBI involved? Wouldn’t this be the jurisdiction of the Military?

It is not a crime for a civilian to have an affair, but it is a violation of the UMCJ if an active duty Officer does.

So if this does not involve a breach of intelligence, then the FBI should have no jurisdiction to investigate, much less refer for prosecution.


6 posted on 11/12/2012 2:57:04 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: texas_mrs

My BS meter is pegged out.


7 posted on 11/12/2012 2:57:35 PM PST by Venturer
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To: texas_mrs

My BS meter is pegged out.


8 posted on 11/12/2012 2:57:37 PM PST by Venturer
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To: texas_mrs

there will be no/no charges, that would open a can of worms....


9 posted on 11/12/2012 3:00:18 PM PST by B212
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

It’s hard to take journalists seriously when such a moronic error is made.


10 posted on 11/12/2012 3:00:49 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: texas_mrs
I do not believe the FBI or holder or obama or anyone in government. Until they offer concrete proof... they are lying about everything.

LLS

11 posted on 11/12/2012 3:00:49 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (I AM JOHN GALT)
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To: P-Marlowe

He wasn’t a member of the military at the time of the affair. He was an employee of the Federal Government.


12 posted on 11/12/2012 3:03:06 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: P-Marlowe; texas_mrs; xzins; Joe Marine 76; jude24
My memory says that Petraeus exited the Army when he assumed the CIA job. At that point, he was no longer under the jurisdiction of the UCMJ.

The WM who work on base under a different command received Non-Judicial Punishment and was reduced to the Pvt and I believe forfeited some base pay.

As Joe Marine 76 pointed out about an adultery case he handled, it can be handled entirely as a non-judicial punishment. That means it could be as little as a reprimand, a letter, or a loss of pay.

I believe Gen George Casey would have been Petraeus' military superior at the time, but I don't remember exactly. If so, then I'm convinced Casey would have simply recommended over coffee or beer to Gen Petraeus that he quietly retire.

13 posted on 11/12/2012 3:03:28 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe; texas_mrs; Joe Marine 76; jude24
My memory says that Petraeus exited the Army when he assumed the CIA job. At that point, he was no longer under the jurisdiction of the UCMJ.

The WM who work on base under a different command received Non-Judicial Punishment and was reduced to the Pvt and I believe forfeited some base pay.

As Joe Marine 76 pointed out about an adultery case he handled, it can be handled entirely as a non-judicial punishment. That means it could be as little as a reprimand, a letter, or a loss of pay.

I believe Gen George Casey would have been Petraeus' military superior at the time, but I don't remember exactly. If so, then I'm convinced Casey would have simply recommended over coffee or beer to Gen Petraeus that he quietly retire.

14 posted on 11/12/2012 3:04:01 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: autumnraine

He wasn’t a member of the military at the time of the affair. He was an employee of the Federal Government.


Are you that gullible? She took 6 trips to A-stan and was photographed sitting next to him on his military aircraft. If he was doing it in the US he most certainly was doing it overseas.


15 posted on 11/12/2012 3:07:50 PM PST by lodi90
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To: texas_mrs

I’m beginning to think the whole affair (no worse than BJC) is a distraction for the MSM, and general public, from the massive voter fraud that is becoming evident.


16 posted on 11/12/2012 3:08:34 PM PST by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: autumnraine
He wasn’t a member of the military at the time of the affair. He was an employee of the Federal Government.

Adultery is not a federal crime. Anyway, it says that he wasn't the target of the criminal investigation. Presumably, Broadwell was.

17 posted on 11/12/2012 3:09:25 PM PST by NonZeroSum
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To: texas_mrs; P-Marlowe; Joe Marine 76
PATRAEUS COULD FACE CHARGES - FBI Deemed Petraeus Affair Part of Criminal, Not Intel Probe

Irrelevant to the charge of adultery. If there are additional charges such as violations of operational security, and they are criminal, then they will be pursued separately. The adultery charge would stand or fall on its own.

That's not to say Petraeus didn't divulge classified info, nor even that he didn't do it as a result of an illicit affair, but those charges will still be separate. An affair can be part of the proof presented that explains how Broadwell came into possession of classified info, but I'm thinking that will require a lesser threshhold of proof than proving actual, penetrative adultery.

18 posted on 11/12/2012 3:09:32 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: lodi90

What are you talking about? I said he wasn’t a member of the MILITARY. Just because he took military transportation doesn’t make him a ‘member of the military.’ Just because he went overseas, doesn’t mean he was a ‘member of the military.’


19 posted on 11/12/2012 3:11:07 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: texas_mrs

This is just a lame excuse for the fact that Holder apparently knew early on this summer (before the GOP convention). I think this is why Obama suggested Petraeus as the GOP Vice Presidential nominee; he had his October Surprise lined up.

He wasn’t the VP nominee, so they simply held it back, but then decided they could use it to prevent any Benghazi testimony he might give. Since he’s a completely Obama boy, they probably had nothing to fear...this was just insurance.


20 posted on 11/12/2012 3:12:36 PM PST by livius
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Which one of them invented the vacuum cleaner?


21 posted on 11/12/2012 3:12:50 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: NonZeroSum

I know it’s not a crime, I was just explaining that military rules would not apply to him because he wasn’t a member of the military, just an employee of the Federal Government.


22 posted on 11/12/2012 3:12:59 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: All

Anyone else remember the kenyan taking an extra day off from campaigning a couple weeks ago? Seemed odd at the time. Maybe that day off was related to this?


23 posted on 11/12/2012 3:14:57 PM PST by lodi90
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To: texas_mrs

Looks like Axelrod has recruited 4 more “journalists” to serve the Ministry of (Mis)Information.


24 posted on 11/12/2012 3:15:36 PM PST by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowski)
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To: autumnraine
He wasn’t a member of the military at the time of the affair. He was an employee of the Federal Government.

Since when is it a crime for a non-Military employee of the Federal Government to have an affair?

25 posted on 11/12/2012 3:15:51 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: texas_mrs

Petreaus is going to The Big House.


26 posted on 11/12/2012 3:16:36 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Unbelievable / Believable!)
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To: Apparatchik

Looks like Axelrod has recruited 4 more “journalists” to serve the Ministry of (Mis)Information.


Right on. It really is amazing that the Bystander in Chief is never mentioned in these scandal articles.


27 posted on 11/12/2012 3:19:11 PM PST by lodi90
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To: texas_mrs

No wonder he’s not going to testify.

Should have brought him in and put him under oath when Cantor
got the tip two weeks before election. Thanks Eric and Bonehead.


28 posted on 11/12/2012 3:19:13 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: P-Marlowe; All

It’s NOT a crime. Please people, read the post I am addressing. The person I WAS REPLYING TO QUESTIONED WHY HE WOULD NOT BE PROSECUTED UNDER MILITARY AUTHORITY. I was explaining WHY HE WOULDN’T BE.


29 posted on 11/12/2012 3:19:51 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: PhiloBedo

I’m beginning to think the whole affair (no worse than BJC) is a distraction for the MSM, and general public, from the massive voter fraud that is becoming evident.

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Kinda like Clinton’s sex acts distracted from lots of real issues like China, Tainted Blood etc. etc.


30 posted on 11/12/2012 3:20:58 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: texas_mrs

If you think his testimony will confirm what you suspect concerning Benghazi, give him immunity and subpoena him.


31 posted on 11/12/2012 3:21:45 PM PST by fso301
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To: Venturer

“My BS meter is pegged out.

My BS meter is pegged out.”

That goes double for me.


32 posted on 11/12/2012 3:22:28 PM PST by maggief
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To: autumnraine

What are you talking about? I said he wasn’t a member of the MILITARY. Just because he took military transportation doesn’t make him a ‘member of the military.’


So he wasn’t a member of the military at the time? Why was he wearing that U. S. Army uniform with 4 star insignia?

This fling started as a camp romance in A-stan. She made 6 trips to A-stan while he was in the Army. That an unpublished author would get such a plumb gig writing his biography is a fairy tale. Somebody had to have a reason to make that happen.

They are both lying about no affair while his was in the Army to avoid UCMJ issues.


33 posted on 11/12/2012 3:25:05 PM PST by lodi90
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To: autumnraine

The supposed crime has to do with Broadwell, threatening the woman in Florida over the internet.

Petraeus is not accused of a crime.

Judge A Napolitano was wondering what authority the FBI was using to investigate Pertraeus.


34 posted on 11/12/2012 3:26:40 PM PST by dforest
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To: texas_mrs

He resigned...So what good is that?? To Obama, it’s everything. They can keep him from testifying. Obstruction on the part of Congress....you got it....


35 posted on 11/12/2012 3:28:20 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: texas_mrs

What about 0bama’s numerous impeachable acts? Isn’t the criminal at the top something to worry about? And Eric Holder?


36 posted on 11/12/2012 3:29:12 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: texas_mrs
OBAMA AND HOLDER ARE ABOVE THE LAW, BUT THE WHITE GUYS? GUILTY!!
37 posted on 11/12/2012 3:31:57 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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WTF? We have POTUS Bill Clinton getting BJs from a 20 year old intern in the Oval Office; he lies under oath in the Paula Jones case and the POS walks. Petraeus has an affair with a 40 year old women and somehow it’s criminal? Give me a f’ing break.


38 posted on 11/12/2012 3:32:19 PM PST by BluH2o
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Obama and Hillary should too.


39 posted on 11/12/2012 3:34:18 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: texas_mrs

BS Nothing more than changing the narrative....AGAIN

“Sources” have already said it was not a criminal investigation.


40 posted on 11/12/2012 3:37:32 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: xzins

My point about penetration was with regard to the law in general, civil and UCMJ.

I just heard on Fox that the affair took place after he assumed D/CIA. The affair evidently DID NOT take place during the time he was the Commander in Afghanistan or while the bio was being researched and written.

Therefore, Petraeus was NOT subject to UCMJ while the alleged adultery took place.

I think we can all agree on that.


41 posted on 11/12/2012 3:40:44 PM PST by Joe Marine 76 ("It's The Natural Born Citizenship, Stupid!")
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

The leftist press still kicking ol’ Herbert around - while, at the same time, showing there is no subject about which they are not abysmally ignorant.


42 posted on 11/12/2012 3:42:46 PM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: Joe Marine 76

May Mike Borda rest in peace... Death before dishonor


43 posted on 11/12/2012 3:46:36 PM PST by Kenika (I knew Dick Tup...)
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To: BluH2o

Petraeus has an affair with a 40 year old women and somehow it’s criminal?


The criminal part of the investigation is the threats via email from Broadwell to Kelley. That’s how the FBI got involved at the time. Now what happens as things further come to light maybe another story.

Or that’s how I understand the current state of affairs.


44 posted on 11/12/2012 3:46:42 PM PST by deport
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To: autumnraine
.... HOLD IT...

Paula B. was and is a major in the Army Reserve....she is on the UCMJ hook.....

45 posted on 11/12/2012 3:47:22 PM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: texas_mrs

Petraeus ain’t a victim. He’s a political animal. His #1 priority is promoting himself. The sad thing is the number of high ranking officers, especially in the Navy, fired for unzipping their pants. Our military has a leadership deficit. We will get our heads handed to us in the next conflict.


46 posted on 11/12/2012 3:48:52 PM PST by Repulican Donkey
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To: texas_mrs

Is not Broadwell part of the Army Reserve? When and where did the affair (or series of affairs) take place. If he was in Afghanistan prior to his resignation from the military would not he be culpable? Is not broadwell culpable too. What about the Kelley woman too? There must be something in the water since the woman seem to get their undies in a bunch, the astronaunt (woman) had a thing for another astronaunt. The two ladies were having a cat fight over a married man when they are already married. Gee this is going to get interesing, probably Broadwell wants to promote her book All In. Gee in ministry we have enough time trying to keep our churches together and doing addiional careers to offset the low pay as ministers.

I believe there is more to this than just a sexual escapade?


47 posted on 11/12/2012 4:04:34 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: ptsal

Ahhh, you might be right on Paula.


48 posted on 11/12/2012 4:16:56 PM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: texas_mrs
Just what crime are they investigating -- having an affair??? Then half of Washington DC should be under investigation.

The FBI should never have been involved in this. Two b*$%^@s having a cyber catfight and the FBI gets into it??? They have too much time on their hands. Cut their budget.

49 posted on 11/12/2012 4:18:25 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: NonZeroSum

Personally I think the Kelly harassment by Broadwell angle is just a story cooked up by the FBI / Holder by the Obama administration to “explain” how the investigation came about. It also provides for a timeline which makes it ppear more believable. I don’t buy it for a second; it sounds contrived. In fact, I bet scrutiny of Kelly’s background will reveal even more reasons to disbelieve it.


50 posted on 11/12/2012 4:25:11 PM PST by jsanders2001
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