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The independent states of America: Tens of thousands demand to secede from U.S.
The Daily Mail ^ | Monday, November 12, 2012 | Louise Boyle

Posted on 11/12/2012 6:17:01 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

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To: shoedog

“I will work harder.”

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“Animal Farm”


51 posted on 11/12/2012 8:05:00 PM PST by RKBA Democrat
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To: Deagle

My only issue with these petitions is the website they are on. Also the fact that the name and location of everyone who signs it is listed on the site. Secrecy and surprise are much better tactics to waging and winning a revolt. At least when the shit hits the fans Ill know which states to head too.


52 posted on 11/12/2012 8:18:57 PM PST by eak3
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To: MinorityRepublican; neverdem; Behind Liberal Lines; The Mayor
Bid for freedom: People from the states marked in red have lodged petitions asking to break away from the rest of the United States since Obama returned to the White House

NY?!?!?!?!?!?!

NY is on the list????????

I need to pinch myself to see if I'm dreaming.

Not that it will ever happen, mind you, but for real?????

53 posted on 11/12/2012 8:25:09 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: eak3

I have to agree with you unfortunately. If you are for it, who would give up their personal information for this cause.

I would not! That is the problem - they want way too much information and I’m sure that they will sell it to the highest bidder after collection. You can NOT trust any of them..too bad though.

Has to be a better way...


54 posted on 11/12/2012 8:27:52 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: metmom

Hey, they just want more control over you food intake among other things...


55 posted on 11/12/2012 8:29:11 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

If my state is successful, I will rescue sweet you.


56 posted on 11/12/2012 8:29:23 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: MinorityRepublican
The two largest influencers that lead to this election win for Obama were the Press and Unions.

Given the large state ownership by the left in NY and CA then it makes it really almost a given that the Left won and will continue to do so unabated.

Look ahead and factor in a very rapidly reproducing and growing voting block from Hispanics (mostly Mexicans) and the future becomes very bleak indeed.

If you look at the red / blue picture of the USA then what becomes obvious is that the blue needs the red in a big way. Geographically.and financially for sure.

Threatening to separate the red from the blue is a good way to transcend the dirty political BS.

Basically the left has the west coast and the north east of the USA. We could make one hell of a great FREE country with the rest, would we not?

57 posted on 11/12/2012 8:29:44 PM PST by R0CK3T
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To: MinorityRepublican; Arthur Wildfire! March

ping


58 posted on 11/12/2012 8:29:57 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: MinorityRepublican

0bama would never let this happen without a fight. The military would be divided which would lead to a bloody conflict. The real danger would come from an opportunistic foreign power that would either invade America or would strike a deal with 0bama to support him with troops if he agreed to be a figurehead dictator while they made all the decisions. Whether that would be Russia, China or Iran, is the question.


59 posted on 11/12/2012 8:32:09 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Repeal 16-17

“The Texas petition has exceeded 25,000 signatures and so will receive an official response from the White House.”

How many signatures do they need?

Wonder what the response from 0 will be?

Our attorney general and state officials have given the feds flak over a couple big issues already (TSA is one and I think obamacare is another)


60 posted on 11/12/2012 8:37:36 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: DesertRhino
Todays this is seen as a nutty gadfly joke. But i predict it’s a fight in reality in 20 years.

We get farther apart every year. It is my earnest hope that no one is stupid enough to throw down the gauntlet. But the situation is far more advanced than people realize. It just isn't in these people's DNA to sit down and come to a win-win agreement. They are all zero-sum thinkers that require anyone who disagrees with them to lose for them to win, and the bigger the loss, the better.

...then they are rife with corruption and dishonesty...

This whole Benghazi mess is a perfect example. Obama needed someone to go under the bus, and Petraeus had already tried to throw Obama under simply by not falling on his sword and taking the blame. So his affair comes to light. That Hideous Strength, C.S. Lewis.

Another example is the new CEO of Lockheed. He embarrassed Obama by announcing layoffs right before the election.

Remember that word, "revenge" Obama and Jarrett kept throwing around?

This is our future. No leader actually taking responsibility for his decisions, or truly leading with an honest appraisal of costs. Rather, a constant search for someone to blame and a complicit media ready to do whatever it takes to advance the leftist agenda at other people's expense.

61 posted on 11/12/2012 8:39:28 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: R0CK3T
If you look at the red / blue picture of the USA then what becomes obvious is that the blue needs the red in a big way. Geographically.and financially for sure.

For food if anything.

I expect that more of the grey states in the middle of the country will go red.

However, a lot of the states that are grey yet are not big food producers.

One can only imagine what would happen if most of the big food producing states seceded and the non-producing ones flexed their muscles.

62 posted on 11/12/2012 8:42:58 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Before secession, that precedent has said will be met with military force, try reasserting 10th Amendment rights as states. States, under a properly functioning 10th Amendment (which hasn’t functioned as intended since the civil war) would not feel compelled to seek secession.


63 posted on 11/12/2012 8:43:04 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: MinorityRepublican

Two thoughts:

1) Is it really that big an idea that these petitions exist? All it takes is one person to kick it off, right? And 10,000 angry conservatives even in one state is pretty easy to find. That’s just like four high-schools worth of people. Not saying it isn’t a great idea, but still...

2) I hear that my state, Colorado, also has a petition. I’d like a different petition: to send all the Californian expats in Boulder/Denver etc. back to their failed utopias. Seriously, why should I have to leave the Union because you jackasses decided to move in? Here’s a thought: maybe electing the same people here to enact the same policies that you’re fleeing from isn’t such a hot idea. Leave crazy at home. Don’t bring crazy with you.


64 posted on 11/12/2012 8:43:10 PM PST by nagelbett
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To: Billthedrill
...we have four more years of this to go before the same team ramrods Hillary through for eight more.

Get real. Have you seen Hillary lately? She looks like she's aged 30 years in the last 4. She won't be fit for anything but a rocking chair and a drool cup in another four years.

65 posted on 11/12/2012 8:46:38 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: eak3

“My only issue with these petitions is the website they are on. Also the fact that the name and location of everyone who signs it is listed on the site.”...

Yep, could be a trap.... what do you wanna bet those signers get audited next year?

But then again, there’s that document that starts out with “when in the course of human events” and ends with “we pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor”


66 posted on 11/12/2012 8:50:53 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Repeal 16-17

And when the response it receives is a NO, I hope that’s enough to propel the rest of the states to 25000 votes,and whatever additional states willing to do it take up the challenge.


67 posted on 11/12/2012 8:56:08 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: Windflier

Between Hollywood and the media she will look like Scarlet Johansson and sound like Franklin Roosevelt. When any real work needs to be done Valerie Jarrett will wheel Hillary out of the way to drool in the corner and get to it.


68 posted on 11/12/2012 8:56:55 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: MinorityRepublican

69 posted on 11/12/2012 9:00:49 PM PST by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: R0CK3T
Basically the left has the west coast and the north east of the USA. We could make one hell of a great FREE country with the rest, would we not?

That is the only way I see it happening and working too.

70 posted on 11/12/2012 9:03:47 PM PST by Wj33
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To: puppypusher

It’s the wackiest map i have ever seen.
And we thought our academics were nuts!


71 posted on 11/12/2012 9:06:57 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: WildHighlander57
“The Texas petition has exceeded 25,000 signatures and so will receive an official response from the White House.”

Which will likely be some variant of "F*** off.".

72 posted on 11/12/2012 9:07:05 PM PST by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: hopespringseternal
Between Hollywood and the media she will look like Scarlet Johansson...

Yeah? Add another four years to this face. They've got their work cut out for them...


73 posted on 11/12/2012 9:07:13 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Although America carried President Obama confidently into a second term last Tuesday
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I am confident that there was significant fraud.

Who won is anybody’s guess.


74 posted on 11/12/2012 9:10:17 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Windflier

I’m praying you’re right, but (1) Castro and Chavez appear to be immortal, and (2) her campaign has already begun. That woman will be evil until the day she dies and will vote Democrat for twenty years afterward.


75 posted on 11/12/2012 9:11:03 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: wintertime; MinorityRepublican
Who won is anybody’s guess.

It feels like 2000.

76 posted on 11/12/2012 9:11:53 PM PST by thecodont
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To: shoedog

Sir, multiple counties in multiple states with over 100% voter turnout. Dear Leader attaining 99-100% of the votes. We are a banana republic.

There is no more time to straighten out the GOP or form a third conservative party. We are too far in debt, too far out of control on monetary supply, and the crisis is now, not four years or twelve years. Now is the time of collapse.

I pray that the Great Plains states and the deep South secede. It will smooth the fall and limit the chaos, and maybe save lives.


77 posted on 11/12/2012 9:13:40 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: MinorityRepublican

There is no way that Idaho or Utah would agree to link up with California, Oregon and Washington.

If there were a split, the Marxist left coast would look like Chile and all of the eastern counties of California, Oregon, and Washington would join with Idaho, Utah, Montana and Wyoming.


78 posted on 11/12/2012 9:15:08 PM PST by wintertime
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To: 43north

The Republican party will ignore it,

Conservative talk radio will give the topic 5 minutes if any at all...Just enough time to proclaim ( with umbrage) that, “Yes, indeed! We did, too, talk about it!”


79 posted on 11/12/2012 9:18:19 PM PST by wintertime
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To: SeekAndFind

They don’t like the union with us anymore than we do. Have you ever wondered how much of a thorin in the leftist side we are?

Our every victory, our every stalemate is a stab against their dreams of socialist slavery. If we left the picture they could build their communist utopia unhindered by anything but the laws of physics & human nature. (A Big problem but their problem nonetheless.)


80 posted on 11/12/2012 9:20:39 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: WildHighlander57

They’ll have to pledge their lives, because the federal government will NOT allow this to happen! Does anyone really think Washington is going to give up a huge chunk of its power, resources and tax revenue? There would be a very short and very bloody fight, and then things would be unimaginably worse.

I mean, who has modern warfare equipment stowed in their garage? Am I wrong? I wish I could think of a way this would work, but I just don’t see how it could. This is 2012; not the 1860’s.


81 posted on 11/12/2012 9:26:21 PM PST by floralamiss ("For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.")
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To: shoedog
So?...Given the Marxist election fraud, what percent of the nation would have to vote Republican to overcome the manufactured Demonrat vote? Huh?

60%? ....70%?....

Oh! Gee! I KNOW.....140% would need to vote Republican.

82 posted on 11/12/2012 9:26:30 PM PST by wintertime
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To: nagelbett
I’d like a different petition: to send all the Californian expats in Boulder/Denver etc. back to their failed utopias.

Me too

83 posted on 11/12/2012 9:31:17 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: hoagy62

Texas now has 56,390 signatures. Top of the list of items on Obama website. Texas has been growing all night by leaps & bounds.

Lousinana also has more than 25 thousand already and the other states are cawing their way up the list fairly quickly as well.

Your right the white-house will probably say something along those lines if they honor their plege at all. But that will only embolden Texas secessionist more to work on plans to defiy Obama. Making the case that Obama has a captive population of slaves in his mind not the willing but people he has forced to do his bidding on their own land with their own property.

Obama will all but gleefly accnolage that, making some speech about obligations to the sociology as if our birth and home forces us to serve others against our will. Really just anther name for slavery.


84 posted on 11/12/2012 9:33:57 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: MileHi

“”I’d like a different petition: to send all the Californian expats in Boulder/Denver etc. back to their failed utopias.

Me too”

That is all the more reason why we need to withdraw from the union. Leftist are like locust after they exhaust every hard earned resource of their native state (or area) before moving on to our homes to start the process over again.

They won’t learn from the failure of their evil ideology and its self-destructive impact upon their own state and instead chasing us and our prosperity to the ends of the earth sneaking to steal it.

Well we can’t run forever, our forefathers set-foot upon this content running from this evil in old Europe and now we have no where else to go. We have to make a stand, we have to build a wall to separate the free from the would be Slaves.

As long as the left does not acknowledged their own self-destructive habits that is possible.


85 posted on 11/12/2012 9:40:51 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: Ophiucus

Washington will not allow any state out of its grasp. IMHO, a modest demonstration of US military might would be enough to change most petitioners’ minds. I believe our own government would use more force as an example against its own people, than it would against others. I also believe many secessionists would gladly fight and die, but the war wouldn’t last for more than a day, if that. I know it’s possible to secede, I just don’t think it’s possible to succeed.


86 posted on 11/12/2012 9:54:01 PM PST by floralamiss ("For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.")
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To: Monorprise

I guess we’re fixin’ to see how this will play out.


87 posted on 11/12/2012 9:56:55 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Billthedrill
I’m praying you’re right, but (1) Castro and Chavez appear to be immortal, and (2) her campaign has already begun.

Friend, it's been twenty years since Hillary first landed on the national stage (as the First Lady). Twenty long years, with her name in the press nearly every day.

People tire of public figures who remain too long at the forefront of our national politics. People in Congress can get away with it, because the public pays little attention to them individually.

Hillary had a real (but final) chance to reach the Oval Office in 2008. She wound up having to settle for SoS, instead. It will be her last publicly held office. She's simply far too old and haggard to run again and be competitive - even now. In another four years, she'll be even more-so. She'll be nearly as old as Reagan was in 1980.

Reagan's natural charm, charisma, and dynamism trumped his advanced age, and he beat the hapless liberal, Jimmy Carter, in a landslide. Hillary, on the other hand, has negative charisma, so her advanced age would be a huge factor to shallow Democrats, who will be looking to elect another rock star candidate in 2016.

She'd also have the daunting task of providing voters with a clear alternative to the preceding four years, which are going to be a disaster on an unprecedented scale. Tell me, what's so different about Hillary's and Obama's basic ideology? You see? There is none. There isn't any way that any Democrat will be able to position themselves further away from Obama's politics, as a Republican candidate can - hence, the Republican candidate is the likely bet for the win.

That's provided the GOP (or what remains of it) runs a grass roots, bare knuckled, patriotic conservative.

88 posted on 11/12/2012 10:09:36 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: eak3

Which would be why I didn’t sign up and vote.


89 posted on 11/12/2012 10:14:42 PM PST by TheZMan (Buy more ammo.)
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To: MileHi

“I guess we’re fixin’ to see how this will play out.”

I got to be honest with you, I wish we were, but I suspect we may be too late in the game to stop the horde of locust from consuming us all at this pont.

It seems very unlikely that we could put together a large enough movement to erect a strong enough wall to stop them from getting here and overpowering us. Still as I’ve been saying for a while now we have to try or we be dammed for never having fought for our lives & freedom.


90 posted on 11/12/2012 10:26:22 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: floralamiss

“Washington will not allow any state out of its grasp. IMHO, a modest demonstration of US military might would be enough to change most petitioners’ minds. I believe our own government would use more force as an example against its own people, than it would against others. I also believe many secessionists would gladly fight and die, but the war wouldn’t last for more than a day, if that. I know it’s possible to secede, I just don’t think it’s possible to succeed.”

Die for a chance to show Washington & the world that we ain’t no lot of slaves, that we still yern for freedom. I think that is a cause worth dying for.

In any even I think it should justifiably be regarded as a political disaster worthy of condemnation in the strongest of terms by the whole world.

After we supported the sepertist in Bosnian and around the world. To turn our backs upon the will of the people in our own land would be a supremely hypocritical move. It would undermine the very notion that America is a democracy.


91 posted on 11/12/2012 10:31:07 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise

Ha, Good point!!! Rename Houston Kosovo. How about those poor chechens, denied their own country by big mean Russia.


92 posted on 11/12/2012 10:36:27 PM PST by MarMema (eh.)
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To: SVTCobra03

“0bama would never let this happen without a fight. The military would be divided which would lead to a bloody conflict. The real danger would come from an opportunistic foreign power that would either invade America or would strike a deal with 0bama to support him with troops if he agreed to be a figurehead dictator while they made all the decisions. Whether that would be Russia, China or Iran, is the question.”

This is the scenario Obama was installed to create in the U.S. Nothing shocking or unexpected is happening. All this was set in motion the day Obama took over the presidency.


93 posted on 11/12/2012 10:52:17 PM PST by Best and Brightest
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To: Monorprise

That’s the sad fact. Our leaders ARE hypocritical, and our once strong, free nation is washed up. The government doesn’t give a damn if their hypocrisy is exposed; in fact, they seem to relish it, especially if it confuses and demoralizes the spirit of the good people of this land.

That doesn’t mean we can’t put up the good fight. But no, FRiend, I’m afraid the sad truth is, the government will not allow power, resources and tax revenue to secede and slip through its greedy, controlling grasp. That’s all we are to them, a nation of consumers who feed at the trough and then, one way or another, feeds the insatiable monster.

I’m sure I’m just as angry and upset as you are, and I don’t know the answers. I realize I’m terribly depressed, and maybe I’m not seeing things as clearly as I think I am; but I feel it’s best to stay and fight to get my country back, no matter the personal costs.


94 posted on 11/12/2012 11:11:13 PM PST by floralamiss ("For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.")
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To: floralamiss

I see no justice in fighting for a people who have in their hearts abandoned the cause of liberty. I see only justice in allowing them who desire chains to wear them while them who desire freedom to seek it.

To do that requires some level of separation whether that separation be thou real federalism or secession is up to Washington politicians. I am with you in that I too would very much like to see a Federalist solution. But i do not see any solution if we do not push for that separation in whatever form we can get it.

One has to create a divide to sue for compromise, less one be ignored by a Federal capital incapable of hearing any but the loudest of voices and gravest of immedete threats. That being said if push came to shove I make no apologies about desiring an Independence country of vinous men & women. Nor am I above war to accomplish that end. Freedom is a commodity so valuable i cannot foresee any price too high in obtaining or preserving it.

As always do what you think is right, but understand politics is and always has been the art of the possible. If wish our dreams to see light, we must maneuver the land & situation so that they are in the domain of the politically possible.


95 posted on 11/12/2012 11:24:58 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: MinorityRepublican

Utah going to China? Maybe, they can start with Jon Huntsman.


96 posted on 11/12/2012 11:55:29 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: Windflier

Hillary won’t need to govern all the time, Huma will be the real power behind the throne.


97 posted on 11/13/2012 12:00:51 AM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: imemyself

Texas has surpassed 25,000 votes. The WH has probably placed a limiter on the remaining petition counters. Team 0bama got lots of practice after this election.


98 posted on 11/13/2012 12:30:50 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: dfwgator
What was it Gandhi said?

"I'm hungry."
99 posted on 11/13/2012 2:19:34 AM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, Forever in Rebellion.)
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To: Deagle

” I sure hope that their ideas and actions spread...”

This would be a gift for Obama. He can play Abraham Lincoln, his favorite President, and can suspend Habeas Corpus just like he did, and abuse it like a bloodthirsty banana dictator, unlike Abe, who didn’t go quite that far. He can also push through sweeping constitutional changes, as was done after Abe’s death, but this will not be merely abolishing slavery and granting full citizenship rights to freedmen. After crushing the secessionists, he can admit Cuba as the 52nd State in the Union, and Venezuela as the 53rd, and nationalize all manufacturing and agriculture.


100 posted on 11/13/2012 2:40:24 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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