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Catholics Steady On Gay Marriage [Catholics:WHITE 59% R to 40% O, LATINO 21% R To 75% O]
The Washington Times ^ | November 12, 2012 | Rachel Zoll

Posted on 11/12/2012 9:48:27 PM PST by Steelfish

Catholics Steady On Gay Marriage Bishops also plan to maintain strategy on birth control

By Rachel Zoll November 12, 2012

BALTIMORE — A subdued U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops acknowledged Monday that voters rejected the stands the group took against gay marriage and birth control, but it gave no sign it would change its strategy ahead.

Same-sex marriage supporters made a four-state sweep of ballot measures last week, despite intensive advocacy by Roman Catholic bishops in favor of traditional marriage. Bishops also spoke out sharply against President Obama’s mandate that most employers provide health insurance that covers artificial contraception. Critics accused the bishops of going so far that they appeared to be backing Republican Mitt Romney.

The bishops insist their complaints were not partisan. Still, they now must face four more years with an administration many bishops characterized as a threat to the church.

“We’ve always maintained our openness to dialogue, and that will continue,” said Baltimore Archbishop William Lori, who leads the bishops’ committee on religious liberty. “As this evolves, as rule-making gets a little more clear, then our range of options will be clearer.”

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Mr. Obama won the overall Catholic vote, 50 percent to 48 percent, but Catholics split on ethnic lines. White Catholics supported Mr. Romney, 59 percent to 40 percent. Latino Catholics, however, went for Mr. Obama, 75 percent to 21 percent.

Last week, Maine, Maryland and Washington became the first states ever to approve same-sex marriage by popular vote. In Minnesota, voters rejected a proposal to place a ban on gay marriage in the state constitution, a step taken in past elections in 30 other states.

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1 posted on 11/12/2012 9:48:32 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Fag nation moves forward.


2 posted on 11/12/2012 9:52:22 PM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Steelfish

Latino Catholics supported Obama at a greater clip than Latinos as a whole. Something needs to happen over the next 4 years.


3 posted on 11/12/2012 9:57:10 PM PST by paglia444
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To: Mouton

I don’t want to hear Catholics tell me they are Christians. Their views and votes aren’t Biblical, so therefore, I reject the fact that they are.


4 posted on 11/12/2012 9:58:12 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: Steelfish

So much for that “at least the wetbacks are Catholics, and therefore Christians” meme.


5 posted on 11/12/2012 10:01:33 PM PST by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: Steelfish

If they no longer go by the Bible then they are no longer a religion!


6 posted on 11/12/2012 10:01:49 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: Steelfish

Still waiting for the excommunications. Not asleep over in the Vatican, are they . . . ?


7 posted on 11/12/2012 10:03:03 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Catsrus

Be careful on the all inclusive “their” I know one who does not agree with this crap.


8 posted on 11/12/2012 10:08:45 PM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Steelfish; AuntB; Pelham; chasio649; Travis McGee; dixiechick2000

man...but but

“wardaddy I swear since all these brown immigrants you oppose are Catholics and they will be social conservatives!!!!!” (is that why they have 60% bastard kids rate?)

“keep it up wardaddy you bigot you and you ride the bolt”... advice from harpies like howlin and stinkie in 2005 to me

2005-2006...rode bolt..did not go off and anti freep and piss on Fresno boots..not me...I just sucked it up

2007-back..thanks to freepers with influence here who love me anyhow

proof is now in pudding...was i wrong?

what say ye fellow freepers who called me racist then?

oh yeah...I forgot...most of you are off anti freeping now since finally folks realized you were really liberal turds yerself...and a fake padre...while we are at it

oh well...can’t say we didn;t warn ya’ll

new freepers have no clue what I’m talking about

i am sorry for Catholics here...it is not your fault

i have lived all over the world and married into latino culture..save the peace corps lectures please


9 posted on 11/12/2012 10:12:00 PM PST by wardaddy (i want Santa to make Quentin Tarantino into a negro for Christmas)
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To: Steelfish

Political correctness is simply an American way to lie publicly. There is a huge difference between white and Latino Catholics. While they share a common religious tradition, that is about as far as it goes. They don’t socialize, they don’t live in the same neighborhoods and are economically disparate. To consider that their political behavior to be predictable based on their stated religion is naive. Hispanic “Catholics” are often not really Catholic. While many identify themselves as Catholic, in actuality they are practicing some form of Protestant evangelism with a few Catholic symbols as bells and whistles. There is probably no major voting bloc in the US, that are less affected by their mystical and religious beliefs when it comes to voting.


10 posted on 11/12/2012 10:15:00 PM PST by allendale
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To: Steelfish

I hope this helps put the rest the idea that Hispanics/Latinos are an ideologically sympathetic voting bloc to the Conservative side.


11 posted on 11/12/2012 10:23:35 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Steelfish

I hope this helps put to rest the idea that Hispanics/Latinos are an ideologically sympathetic voting bloc to the Conservative side.


12 posted on 11/12/2012 10:24:00 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Steelfish

Pick up a good history of the Catholic Church (Warren Carroll is a good start) for the first 400 years to get a clear idea of the challenges the Church faced against Her enemies. The Church’s only “strategy” was to proclaim Jesus Christ and his truth. It got a lot of the first Christians killed. The same might have to happen again.


13 posted on 11/12/2012 10:27:25 PM PST by veritas2002
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To: Catsrus

You do realize that you speak from a position of ignorance. Prayers for you are in order.


14 posted on 11/12/2012 10:28:45 PM PST by veritas2002
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To: Steelfish

So much for the Latino Zots here on FR.


15 posted on 11/12/2012 10:53:53 PM PST by zerosix (Native sunflowerw)
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To: Steelfish

I’ve had dealings with latino “Catholics” in TX, CO and FL, legal and illegal. Very, very few are Catholics, or any sort of Christian at all. They go to churches for the social service benefits and charity. They rival blacks for abortion, out of wedlock births, dropout rates and crime. They may call themselves Catholic for identity reasons.


16 posted on 11/12/2012 10:56:31 PM PST by Eagles6 (DNC 2012 Convention: Celebrating infanticide and sodomy. Denying God.What could possibly go wrong?)
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To: Catsrus

Really? I’m pretty sure that the Catholic Church is the original Christian church and we do follow the Holy Word of the Bible.


17 posted on 11/12/2012 10:59:55 PM PST by Eagles6 (DNC 2012 Convention: Celebrating infanticide and sodomy. Denying God.What could possibly go wrong?)
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To: Steelfish

As I read the comments on this thread and others I see the same comment that many Hispanic Catholics aren’t “real” Catholics or are “cinos”, Catholics in name only, because they support Democrat politicians. Thus the poster doesn’t recognize them as “Catholic” at all.

But the salient question is whether the Catholic church recognizes these Hispanics as Catholic and the answer is apparently it does no matter what some individual posters say.


18 posted on 11/12/2012 11:50:34 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: wardaddy

“Congressman: Greece-like ‘day of reckoning’ complete with ‘riots’ to hit America soon if country keeps going down same path”

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/11/congressman-greece-like-day-of-reckoning-complete-with-riots-to-hit-america-soon-if-country-keeps-going-down-same-path/

However, before that statement...

“Rep. John Fleming publicly rebukes Boehner: Don’t make promises to national media without talking to us first”

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/09/rep-john-fleming-publicly-rebukes-boehner-dont-make-promises-to-national-media-without-talking-to-us-first/

There are those in the House who recognize that, while they are socially conservative, they view the government as a “daddy”. They like unions, handouts, and the wealth that the government offers. They won’t vote with us, and would turn some red states blue.

You were treated reprehensibly because you voiced your views. I agreed with you.


19 posted on 11/13/2012 12:09:27 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (The most massive vote fraud in history has just occurred. We don't know by whom, just yet.)
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To: wardaddy

I will give Catholics this, and give them my thanks. The COB seems to be very serious.

“Catholic Leaders: If Obama Pursues HHS Mandate, There Is 100% Chance There Will Be Civil Disobedience”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/catholic-church-if-obama-pursues-hhs-mandate-there-is-100-chance-there-will-be-civil-disobedience/


20 posted on 11/13/2012 12:13:28 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (The most massive vote fraud in history has just occurred. We don't know by whom, just yet.)
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To: Eagles6

I’m only referring to those who voted for zero. Not those who hold true to their faith and teachings.


21 posted on 11/13/2012 1:00:42 AM PST by Catsrus
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To: veritas2002

I’m only referring to those who voted for zero. Not those who hold true to their faith and teachings. No, I do not speak from a position of ignorance, since I was married to a Catholic.


22 posted on 11/13/2012 1:01:43 AM PST by Catsrus
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To: Mouton

I’m only referring to those who voted for zero. Not those who hold true to their faith and teachings.


23 posted on 11/13/2012 1:02:17 AM PST by Catsrus
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To: Catsrus

EXCUSE ME! Just who do you think you are to judge me, a conservative Roman Catholic as not being a Christian? Who? You have absolutely NO right to assume that!! I am really disgusted with some people on here like YOU!! I’ll pray for you, because I am a Christian just like you think you are! I did not vote for Obama, and have never, as far as I remember, have voted for a socialist; nor have a lot of people I know voted for him or any liberal president or public figure!

I don’t know how people like you can say that; and I don’t want to hear you or anyone else with your rude attitude saying that Catholics are not Christians; please reconsider your nasty attitude, because I believe your going to hear from a lot of disgusted people!


24 posted on 11/13/2012 1:47:05 AM PST by dsutah
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To: dsutah

“I don’t know how people like you can say that; and I don’t want to hear you or anyone else with your rude attitude saying that Catholics are not Christians; please reconsider your nasty attitude, because I believe your going to hear from a lot of disgusted people!”

Hear ye, hear ye, the first Christians for a 1000 years plus before the first Protestants ever set foot on the world stage.


25 posted on 11/13/2012 2:18:47 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Eagles6

Mr. Obama won the overall Catholic vote, 50 percent to 48 percent (from the article)


Obviously the majority of Catholics do not in fact follow the bible. By their acts we shall know them.


26 posted on 11/13/2012 2:33:09 AM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Romney did in 2012)
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To: bramps

At least the the married gays won’t have to use birth control or abortions


27 posted on 11/13/2012 2:38:50 AM PST by RightLady (Take out the trash Nov 6th--too late)
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To: Eagles6

Calumny is a serious sin - even when leveled against whole groups of people. You know nothing about Catholics, what we believe, nor our practices. Why not be honest and learn about these things FROM CATHOLICS THEMSELVES not the purveyors of lies. Or are you content in your brand of Christianity to lie?


28 posted on 11/13/2012 3:04:14 AM PST by veritas2002
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To: dixiechick2000
This is what I don't get about the Catholic bishops:

They could really help make the HHS mandates irrelevant simply by getting astute Catholic professionals (lawyers, CPAs, etc.) on board to craft legitimate ways around them. This is what's happening with some of these prominent restaurant and grocery store chains who are going out and simply hiring part-time workers instead of full-time workers.

Another -- perhaps easier -- option is to simply break large institutions into smaller ones with fewer employees. Instead of having a Catholic university with several thousand employees, just have all the departments organized separately as different employers and make sure none of them has more than 50 employees.

Step 1 should be the public excommunication of HHS head Kathy Sebelius, with specific disciplinary measures in place against any clergy member who allows her access to the Catholic sacraments.

P.S. Don't hold your breath. None of this is going to happen.

29 posted on 11/13/2012 3:08:51 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: flaglady47

Well you’re certainly right at that! (I was furious at this person, but calmed down now. Still gripes me though!)


30 posted on 11/13/2012 3:13:26 AM PST by dsutah
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To: Catsrus

‘I don’t want to hear Catholics tell me they are Christians. Their views and votes aren’t Biblical, so therefore, I reject the fact that they are.’

So what faith are you?


31 posted on 11/13/2012 4:32:12 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: flaglady47

Fifteen hundred. Three Quarters of the history of Christianity happened before Protestantism.


32 posted on 11/13/2012 4:33:53 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: JCBreckenridge

“Fifteen hundred”

Yes, I was being generous, please note I added a “plus”. I like round numbers for effect.


33 posted on 11/13/2012 4:48:48 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: count-your-change

Do Protestant Christian Churches recognize Protestant Blacks as Christian?


34 posted on 11/13/2012 6:12:28 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Olog-hai
Still waiting for the excommunications.

What are you waiting for on the Protestant side?

35 posted on 11/13/2012 6:14:19 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Look up what has been done, publicly, by Sebellius’s bishop regarding Holy Communion.


36 posted on 11/13/2012 6:21:04 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: bramps
Mr. Obama won the overall Catholic vote, 50 percent to 48 percent

Lost the white Catholic vote by 19 %; won the Hispanic by 75/21.

The obvious parallel is White/Black Protestants.

By their acts we shall know them.

Unless they are non-Catholic?

No, Catholic teaching has remained consistent, more consistent on morals such as birth control and abortion than Protestants. It is a culture vs. religion issue. Or going deeper: a me vs. God issue.

37 posted on 11/13/2012 6:26:58 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

I would presume so although “Protestant Christian Churches” covers quite a bit of territory.


38 posted on 11/13/2012 6:32:09 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Steelfish
Six out of ten white Catholics favored Romney, and if you excluded Catholics in New York, New Jersey, and New England, I suspect that percentage would be higher. Cajun Catholic dominated South Louisiana was won by Romney by margins rivaling those in Anglo-Celtic Baptist dominated North Louisiana. The French and German Catholic settled counties south of St. Louis were carried by Romney.

It appears that white Catholic, Protestant, and Mormon citizens are squared off against blacks, Hispanics, American Indians, Jews, Asians, and Middle Easterners. Interstate 81 in the Northeast and Middle Atlantic states divides traditional America against the liberals and Americans of non-European descent. Interstate 5 serves as a similar divide on the West Coast, Interstate 10 in Texas, and Interstate 4 in Florida

39 posted on 11/13/2012 6:48:58 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: dsutah

I’m only referring to those who voted for zero. Not those who hold true to their faith and teachings.


40 posted on 11/13/2012 7:00:15 AM PST by Catsrus
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To: JCBreckenridge

I’m only referring to those who voted for zero. Not those who hold true to their faith and teachings.


41 posted on 11/13/2012 7:00:59 AM PST by Catsrus
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To: dsutah

Take a chill pill. I was only referring to those Catholics who voted for zero. However, in past elections, the majority of Catholics voted for Democrats - straight ticket. Just what defines a Christian in your viewpoint?


42 posted on 11/13/2012 7:04:27 AM PST by Catsrus
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To: D-fendr

A big rejoining of the Catholic Church, but that’s a different matter.


43 posted on 11/13/2012 8:33:00 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: wardaddy

BTT!!!!


44 posted on 11/13/2012 10:04:12 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: count-your-change
I would presume so ..

Then we are alike in this regard.

For Catholics, one is part of the Church through their baptism. The Church includes sinners as well. In a large sense, the Church is for sinners. Sinners in need of Christ.

When a bishop refuses a Catholic Holy Communion it is not intended as "get out and never come back," but as a call to examination, discussion, repentance and rejoining the Communion of Saints fully.

For me, when I make the distinction: X is not Catholic, I mean they hold values consciously contrary to the teaching of the Church. Hence, the Catholic in name only appellation.

Obviously, there are non-Catholics who also act and promote values contrary to Christian faith. I see lots of calls for Catholics to excommunicate them. I always wonder when those who are not Catholic say this, what they propose for those in their own church.

45 posted on 11/13/2012 11:12:30 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: veritas2002

Actually I am Catholic. I am referring to Latino “Catholics” that I have dealt with in 3 states. They call themselves Catholic for identity purposes only and do not hold true to Catholic teaching and doctrine, otherwise 75% would not have voted for obama. They use the Church for what they can get for free.


46 posted on 11/13/2012 2:11:19 PM PST by Eagles6 (DNC 2012 Convention: Celebrating infanticide and sodomy. Denying God.What could possibly go wrong?)
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To: Alberta's Child

” Step 1 should be the public excommunication of HHS head Kathy Sebelius, with specific disciplinary measures in place against any clergy member who allows her access to the Catholic sacraments.”

Absolutely, as well as Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, all prominent dem Catholics, and any Kennedy who might be in office.

Or, all Kennedys, just for good form and consistency.

“P.S. Don’t hold your breath. None of this is going to happen.”

Yep...history concurs with you.


47 posted on 11/15/2012 11:44:00 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (The most massive vote fraud in history has just occurred. We don't know by whom, just yet.)
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