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5 Reasons Amnesty Would Be Political Suicide For The Republican Party
Townhall ^ | 11/13/2012 | John Hawkins

Posted on 11/13/2012 7:46:38 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Of all the misguided, corrupt and deranged ideas floating around inside the D.C. bubble, perhaps the single worst one is giving illegal aliens amnesty as part of some sort of attempt to capture the Hispanic vote. If the GOP were to pursue a policy that primarily benefits corrupt business owners, the government of Mexico, and Democrats at the expense of our country and our own base, we'd truly deserve the "Stupid Party" moniker that has so often been hung around our neck. This policy wouldn't be a calculated risk or even a longshot; it would be a game of Russian Roulette with a bullet in every chamber.

1) We'd be bringing in a huge influx of Democratic voters. Roughly 70% of Hispanic Americans already vote for the Democrats and you have to expect that the Democrats would capture an even larger percentage of illegal aliens. Keep in mind that for the most part, illegals are poorly educated, have minimal English skills, come from socialistic countries and make a living here doing low end, poorly paid manual labor. The GOP would be lucky to capture 20% of that block of voters.

Now, let's do a little rough math. We don't know exactly how many illegal aliens are in the country, but 10 million seems like a nice conservative estimate. If the Democrats did actually capture 80% of those voters, it would lead to a net gain of 6 million potential new votes for the Democrats. Meanwhile, if only 407,000 votes had flipped from Obama to Romney in Florida (73,858), Ohio (103,481), Virginia (115,910) and Colorado (113,099), Mitt would have won and Chris Matthews would still be on a depression-related leave of absence. In other words, this is like coming up just short in a 100 yard dash and deciding to “fix” the problem by starting 25 yards farther back in the next race.

2) There would be a tremendous backlash from Republican voters. The GOP pushed for amnesty in George W. Bush's second term and it was hit with a political buzzsaw the size of the Hoover Dam. What makes anyone think it would be any different this time?

Personally, I'm willing to pledge my support to ANY viable primary challenger who takes on a Republican in Congress who votes for an amnesty bill. Put another way, even if it were Jim DeMint, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul or Paul Ryan, if you're for amnesty and have someone who can conceivably beat you in a primary, I'm for your opponent. There's no other choice because this policy is like playing a game of chicken with an oncoming train; so stopping amnesty is priority one and if it can't be done, then we should at least send as many of the politicians responsible to the political graveyard as possible.

3) It would be terrible policy for the country. At a time when the unemployment rate is sky high and the country is running a trillion dollar deficit, how much sense does it make to bring in 10 million new citizens who'll be a huge net drain on the country? We're not talking about bringing in ten million engineers, scientists, computer programmers and entrepreneurs to expand the tax base. To the contrary, we're talking about offering the gift of American citizenship to 10 million, largely uneducated manual laborers with minimal English skills, most of whom would draw tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars more in government benefits than they pay out over the course of their lifetimes. You MIGHT be able to make a case that we need a guest worker program to handle some of these low skill jobs, although even that would be difficult when so many Americans are out of work, but it's impossible to make any sort of coherent argument that 10 million brand spanking new poor Americans are going to do anything other than hurt the country at a time when we're already running a trillion dollar plus deficit every year.

4) Amnesty distracts us from the voter outreach we really need to be doing. As a party, the GOP does almost no Hispanic outreach. Just to give you an idea of how bad it is, in 2009 I found out that the Democrats had 20 senators scheduled to attend the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce’s 19th Annual Legislative Conference while the Republicans had none. After raising holy hell about that on Right Wing News, senators like Orrin Hatch and Lamar Alexander suddenly agreed to be on the roster. Conservatives shouldn't need to publicly shame the Republican Party into showing up at the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

Additionally, while I don't think the Republican National Committee could have possibly made a better selection for its first national Director of Hispanic Outreach than my friend Bettina Inclan, why did we have to wait until the last election cycle for it to happen? It's not as if we just realized that we had a problem with Hispanic voters in 2011.

Although I'm constantly beating the drum to get more donors to help out the conservative new media, our #1 financial priority as a party should be minority outreach. We need our own National Council of La Raza and our own MEChA. We need more Hispanic blogs, more Hispanic talk radio and Hispanic conservatives who can take our message to places where it isn't getting a fair hearing today. We need Hispanic conservatives calling out the Democrats for their disgusting, patronizing and racist comments about Hispanics and we need to have their voices amplified by the big websites and talk radio hosts out there.

Now, will this take money, time and effort? Yes. Will everybody like this kind of change? No. Will it fix everything in one or two election cycles? No. But, is this exactly the kind of hard work we need to start doing year in and year out to level the playing field with Hispanic Americans? Yes, it is. The more time we spend focusing on a gimmicky, sure-to-fail Hail Mary like amnesty, the less time we'll spend making the changes that can bring Hispanic Americans home to where they belong, in the conservative movement.

5) Why does anyone think amnesty would allow the GOP to capture the current Hispanic vote? There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to assume that the GOP would be able to capture the Hispanic vote if we pass an amnesty. None. Zero. Zilch. If that's all it takes, well, keep in mind that Reagan signed on to a "one time" comprehensive illegal immigration plan while he was in office. So, if it's all about amnesty, why aren't Hispanics already voting Republican? By that same logic, why aren't all black Americans voting for the Republican Party today since, percentage wise, more Republicans voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act than Democrats?

Here's a hint: The Democrats are beating us with Hispanics by around 70/30, blacks 90/10, Jews 70/30, Muslims 80/20 and Asians 75/25. They're not doing that by signing on to major legislation; they're doing it with identity politics. Incidentally, nothing would change if we signed on to an amnesty because Republicans will never be able to hand out more free goodies than the Democrats. If we offer a legal status short of citizenship, the Democrats will offer citizenship and say we hate Hispanics because we won't do it. If we offer citizenship in 10 years, they'll offer it in five and say we're dragging our feet because we hate Hispanics. If we offered amnesty for every illegal tomorrow, Democrats would ask for a new amnesty every year for anyone who sneaks across the border and they'd say that we hate Hispanics if we disagree. Then, over the long haul, the percentages for Hispanic voters wouldn't change much at all because as we've seen, the tactics the Democrats are using have been proven to work again and again. The Democrats understand that, so why don't we get it? If you're actually naive enough to believe that amnesty will bring Hispanics over to the GOP, then ask yourself a simple question: Do you really think the Democrats would strongly support a policy that’s going to cost them millions of votes?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 112th; 113th; amnesty; comprehensive; crimaliens; hispanicvote; illegal; immigration; openborders; scottishlaw; taxandspend
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1 posted on 11/13/2012 7:46:54 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

All true. And one more reason. When you reward something, you get more of it.


2 posted on 11/13/2012 7:51:01 AM PST by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind

As soon as somebody can tell me 1) why these “immigrants” should not have to comply with the same rules as all others, and 2) why the rules should have to change to accommodate people merely unwilling to comply with them, I might consider talking about “amnesty”. Oh, and how ‘bout that whole, “We fought a tyrant and won - go clean up your own back yard” thing? Does saying, “Be willing to shed your own blood for your own country rather than breaking the rules of my country and then demanding that WE change” make me a bad person? Tango Sierra. To quote Don Quixote, they need “to be willing to march into hell for a heavenly cause”.


3 posted on 11/13/2012 7:52:08 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: SeekAndFind

Blacks , Hispanics , and Israeli hating Jews are not going to vote for Republicans no matter what they do.

Romney knew that, he called it, wasting time on the 47%.

These people are already bought and paid for by Democrats using the Republican workers taxed money.


4 posted on 11/13/2012 7:55:59 AM PST by Venturer
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To: SeekAndFind
The author is full of BS...

Reagan (the greatest conservative president ever!) had an amnesty program.

He unfortunately trusted Congress that they would couple it with border control, and got screwed.....

This is an issue that must be dealt with in a thoughtful, compassionate manner without rhetoric or hyperbole.... Screaming about 20 foot fences and moats with alligators doesn't cut it....

How to handle it is subject to debate.

However, the Hispanic vote is NOT locked to Democrats. Hispanic voters values are more aligned with conservative values than liberal.

There are ways to address the issue, adhere to our principle, resolve the problem and win the Hispanic vote for all time....

During the primary, Newt articulated one of them....

5 posted on 11/13/2012 8:09:41 AM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Reagan gave them amnesty and the GOP has barely broken 40% since.

Best reason I can think of.

If you are going to play brazen racial realpolitik than at least make it count.


6 posted on 11/13/2012 8:11:46 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

Nominating another Dole-McCain-Romney type would be as well.


7 posted on 11/13/2012 8:14:24 AM PST by Republican1795.
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To: SeekAndFind

Well I for one have to say if they do amnesty, I’m done with them.

The left asks their pols to lie cheat and steal for them and they do it.

All we ask from ours is just to advocate conservatism most of the time and they continually fall short.

I’m sick of it.


8 posted on 11/13/2012 8:15:27 AM PST by Cubs Fan (Under Obama, American constitutional rights are now subject to muslim approval)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well I for one have to say if they do amnesty, I’m done with them.

The left asks their pols to lie cheat and steal for them and they do it.

All we ask from ours is just to advocate conservatism most of the time and they continually fall short.

I’m sick of it.


9 posted on 11/13/2012 8:15:39 AM PST by Cubs Fan (Under Obama, American constitutional rights are now subject to muslim approval)
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To: SeekAndFind

Only one reason is needed. America would be finished.


10 posted on 11/13/2012 8:16:26 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: SeekAndFind

amnesty is the new debt ceiling.

they’ll just do another and kick the can down the road.


11 posted on 11/13/2012 8:18:11 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The Repub’s haven’t put up a real conservative since Reagan....That’s why they haven’t broken 40%....

It’s not a brazen race pandering issue but a real issue that needs to be addressed. It can be made into a race bait....That’s what the liberal demoncrats do...

We can address the issue with conservative values and address some of the concerns of the Hispanic community.....There is no leadership within the Republican party on this issue....The best i’ve seen is Newt so far....


12 posted on 11/13/2012 8:22:28 AM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: stephenjohnbanker

even if immigrants all voted republican, would it matter?

we’ll still be bankrupt and going there even faster. it’s a fact that immigrants, legal AND illegal , use social services at a higher rate than others. we can’t even afford to support our born and raised American moocher class, let alone a whole class of poor with anchor babies.

you import more poor(into a welfare state) and you get more poverty.


13 posted on 11/13/2012 8:24:03 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: nevergore
Hispanic voters values are more aligned with conservative values than liberal.

Could be...until the GOP-E gives all the illegal aliens the vote.

You see the problem?

14 posted on 11/13/2012 8:30:28 AM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna
"Could be...until the GOP-E gives all the illegal aliens the vote."

It "is" possible to "do amnesty" without "giving...illegal aliens the vote". It's called "permanent residency". NO illegal who willingly came here in violation of our laws should ever be allowed to vote.....period. Children brought here by such illegals should be eligible to apply for citizenship at age 21 "if" they have maintained a squeaky-clean legal record, are self-supporting, or served a term in an arm of the US military.

15 posted on 11/13/2012 8:42:32 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
LOL, do you promise, no vote?

Sort of a slave labor force?

What do you think happens to a nation with millions of permanent foreigners who have no voting power to control their own lives?

16 posted on 11/13/2012 8:50:39 AM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: SeekAndFind

When is the treatment of American citizens in Mexico and their rights vs US treatment of Mexicans going to be an issue when we discuss amnesty ?

Ever hear of resciprocal aggrements ? These are arranged to protect the rights of American citizens working or living in other countries.

Why is it when it comes to citizens of other countries we are required to offer them the same privledges as we do to US citizens? But when it comes to US citizens who get in trouble or attempt to do business in other countries they do not get the same treatment their citizens get.

Americans can’t own coast land in Mexico. And get no title to it elsewhere. If they run out of cash they’ll get unceremoniously sent back or put in jail untill some relative comes up with the “fresh”. That’s just for starters as for granting them voting privledges yea let’s give Mexican citizens that right when American citizens vote in their elections .


17 posted on 11/13/2012 8:53:29 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("Vengence is mine".....Thus sayeth the Lord.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The fundamental flaw in this piece is that it’s based on the premise that the GOP hasn’t already committed political suicide.


18 posted on 11/13/2012 8:53:52 AM PST by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: nevergore
However, the Hispanic vote is NOT locked to Democrats. Hispanic voters values are more aligned with conservative values than liberal.

Absolute NONSENSE! Biggest political myth of the past 30 years. "Hispanic values" = WELFARE STATE. Period. Hispanic immigrants receive welfare 4 times as often as other immigrants. 71% of illegal aliens in TX receive at least one form of welfare. They get freebies and they want more. MUCH more. And Democrats are the pushers. You can't beat Santa Claus.

Also, if Reagan's amnesty was so "compassionate" and popular with Hispanics, then why did George H.W. Bush get a horrid 30% of their vote just 2 years later?

19 posted on 11/13/2012 8:58:22 AM PST by montag813
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To: nevergore

100% complete and total bunk and BS .....go spend a little time in El Paso or what’s left of small towns in the Texas Panhandle and tell me these illegals have conservative values .....


20 posted on 11/13/2012 9:06:20 AM PST by thestob (Vote or P. Diddy will kill you)
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To: nevergore
"However, the Hispanic vote is NOT locked to Democrats."

Since most were motivated by money -earned or otherwise- to come here in the first place, it's logical they'd flock to whoever is promising them easier access to it. I doubt the GOP will be adding 'more free stuff' to the plank anytime soon.

21 posted on 11/13/2012 9:10:38 AM PST by moehoward
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To: nevergore; All

Illegal Alien Amnesty is Anti-American Bigotry

We do not need Illegals. We have enough Americans out of work...and we do not have the revenue to keep Illegals, and their families, on their welfare rolls

And, it is political suicide for the GOP to bring in voters for the Democrats.

100% Deportation is not an extreme view. it is the proper solution to the Illegal Alien problem

And, Newt Gingrich’s “Guest Worker” program is just Amnesty rapped up in a different package. Whether it is Guest Worker Amnesty, or DREAM ACT Amnesty...it is still Amnesty if you do not 100% Deport all Illegals

Our National Security begins at the border. We fail in all security when we compromise our borders


22 posted on 11/13/2012 9:12:28 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Insanity is ever believeing Karl Rove is a conservative)
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To: Wonder Warthog
"It's called "permanent residency""

It's called 'future SCOTUS fodder'. Just like DOMA is doomed, so will be any attempt at a 'separate but equal' fix to Illegals.

23 posted on 11/13/2012 9:19:22 AM PST by moehoward
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To: montag813

I live in an area with tons of Latino immigrants and children of immigrants, both legal and illegal. And your post is absolutely correct. I have never met even ONE conservative Latino immigrant or child of immigrant. They are extremely liberal, they don’t like whites, they feel entitled to whatever they want, they hate “rich people,” they think we stole land from them, etc. They are as far from conservatives as you can get. They will never, ever, ever vote for us.


24 posted on 11/13/2012 9:20:40 AM PST by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: jagusafr

I think it’s ironic that the two men that the Mexican people hold above all of their other countrymen are Villa and Zapata.Men who stood and fought for Mexico.They didn’t sneak off to some other country like cowards.Zapata,although painted as a Marxist was murdered because he wanted a Mexican version of our second amendment.If ever there was a country to use as an example of gun control allowing a country to be run by despots It would have to be Mexico.


25 posted on 11/13/2012 9:22:30 AM PST by johnny reb (I Have Not Yet Begun To Tea Party!)
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To: TurboZamboni
"even if immigrants all voted republican, would it matter?"

Excellent point.

While we all enjoy the anecdotal story of the proud self made successful immigrant, that quality is found in far too few of the overall pool.

The answer is SB1070 (and a serious roll-back on legal immigration). It works, and it's one of the major reasons AZ is bouncing back.

26 posted on 11/13/2012 9:27:01 AM PST by moehoward
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To: montag813; TurboZamboni; All

” Absolute NONSENSE! Biggest political myth of the past 30 years. “Hispanic values” = WELFARE STATE. Period. Hispanic immigrants receive welfare 4 times as often as other immigrants. “

F A C T


27 posted on 11/13/2012 9:30:19 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: nevergore
The Repub’s haven’t put up a real conservative since Reagan....That’s why they haven’t broken 40%....

For the most part, the GOP didn't put up Reagan. He was recruited by Republican rogues, both to be California governor and the president.

If we want another Reagan, he or she will have to be recruited. Don't count on the Potomac GOP to do it.

28 posted on 11/13/2012 9:32:50 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: nevergore
However, the Hispanic vote is NOT locked to Democrats. Hispanic voters values are more aligned with conservative values than liberal.

Facts are stubborn things. The idea of the “social issues” Hispanic voter is also a mirage. A majority of Hispanics now support gay marriage, a Pew Research Center poll from last month found. The Hispanic out-of-wedlock birth rate is 53 percent, about twice that of whites.

Hispanics have the highest school drop out rate of any group. Educational attainment among Hispanics remains very low. Just 10% of foreign-born and 13.5% of native Latinos have finished college, placing the group's completion rate at about a third of the national average.

Hispanics, immigrant and native, are major users of welfare programs.

Hispanics are a natural constituency for Democrats. They will, along with blacks, become part of the permanent underclass in this society. They will vote Democrat.

29 posted on 11/13/2012 9:34:23 AM PST by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind
We'd be bringing in a huge influx of Democratic voters. Roughly 70% of Hispanic Americans already vote for the Democrats and you have to expect that the Democrats would capture an even larger percentage of illegal aliens.

If one goes with the theory that the main purpose of the Beltway GOP is to keep the Democrats in power and vastly expand the federal government, then it makes sense. (Look at what they did in the time between Hoover and Reagan.)

30 posted on 11/13/2012 9:36:42 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If you’re actually naive enough to believe that amnesty will bring Hispanics over to the GOP, then ask yourself a simple question: Do you really think the Democrats would strongly support a policy that’s going to cost them millions of votes?


Brilliant in its logical simplicity


31 posted on 11/13/2012 9:38:21 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: nevergore
However, the Hispanic vote is NOT locked to Democrats. Hispanic voters values are more aligned with conservative values than liberal.

You are completely wrong. It is absolutely wishful thinking to think that within 100 years we could ever get more than 35% of the Hispanic vote.

I suggest you read Heather McDonald's piece of the utter futility of amnesty.

32 posted on 11/13/2012 9:40:29 AM PST by sand88
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To: SeekAndFind

I was at a house party last Saturday night and had a conversation with a Hispanic male who looked 35-40 who has been working for Obama for America... He said he was deported but snuck back in and goes under many identities since coming back to the US. Even though he has been working for Obama he seemed like a nice guy who isn’t loyal to Obama. My conversation started when I overheard him talk to a Russian guy who has been in the US for the last 6 years. The two were talking about how a famous lady that makes predictions that had made a prediction that the last president of the US would be black. They both were laughing and agreeing with it... Oh, and the guy is convinced that the country is “gone”. I would have talked to him more one on one and had planned on it but he left the party by the time I started looking for him again.


33 posted on 11/13/2012 9:52:58 AM PST by Democrats hate too much
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To: nevergore
Hispanic voters values are more aligned with conservative values than liberal

Election returns year after year show that this statement is a myth.

34 posted on 11/13/2012 9:56:55 AM PST by Theodore R. (Once again the American people have been found sorely wanting. I think it will continue.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I lived in California from 1964 to late 2004.

The number of illegal intruders in the 60’s and 70’s was pegged at 20 million.

I don’t think that number has gone down, except in Obama press releases. In the last 4 years, Obama’s number of illegals has gone from 15 to 14 to 13 to 10 million. IF they were dying off at that rate, we would know about it.

They have continued to grow in number, with a wide open birder & lack of the Fed government to stop their intrusion.

Then they have bred like rabbits while here. The 14th Amendment is being improperly used with those births.

I believe there are between 50 and 60 MILLION illegals here in the USA.

Why would the Republicans want a sudden 5 to 1 ratio of new persons here legally—demanding jobs—more free education—more benefits— you name it.

Obama will give them the right to vote immediately, also. They don’t speak English—I won’t learn Spanish to deal with them, either. I will walk away.


35 posted on 11/13/2012 10:12:14 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: SeekAndFind

I’d vote for a Democrat over a pro-amnesty Republican. No one who advocates amnesty is going to get my vote.

I’ll vote for the person who looks out for America - not for the party!


36 posted on 11/13/2012 10:41:37 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: donna
What do you think happens to a nation with millions of permanent foreigners who have no voting power to control their own lives?

What do you think happens to a nation with millions of citizens who have no voting power to control their own lives?

Because that is what is already happening, between voter fraud, liberal judges, and unelected bureaucrats.

37 posted on 11/13/2012 10:43:52 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Left owns identity politics.

The GOP can’t compete with the Left on gimmes and giveaways. Democrats will always do the free stuff better than Republicans do.

Amnesty would be a disaster for the Republican Party and the country. The party in effect would be agreeing to enfranchise millions of new Democratic voters.

Its the stupidest idea I ever heard of. Incidentally, part of the reason Mittens lost last week was cuz he embraced Amnesty full-bore.

That should tell people its a political loser for Republicans. If they are so foolish as to join the Democrats on this - the conservative movement will die in this country.


38 posted on 11/13/2012 10:48:46 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: nevergore
Reagan (the greatest conservative president ever!) had an amnesty program. He unfortunately trusted Congress that they would couple it with border control, and got screwed.....

Sort of like trusting DEMS in Congress when you reach a grand bargain on reducing spending during the next 100 years, in exchange for raising taxes NEXT year. Same as immigration when the promise of closing the border and "this is the last amnesty ever" are offset with instant amnesty - the tax increases are never matched with the promised spending reductions out into the next 100 years. NEVER EVER TRUST A POLITICIAN, AND IN PARTICULAR A RAT.
39 posted on 11/13/2012 11:04:47 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: william clark

BTTT.


40 posted on 11/13/2012 11:07:15 AM PST by OddLane
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To: SeekAndFind

They are all poor and will be associated with wanting to elect the santa clause party.


41 posted on 11/13/2012 11:10:12 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: mosesdapoet; moehoward; stephenjohnbanker; SeekAndFind; goldstategop; kabar; montag813; ...
Romney garnered thirteen percent less among self-identified non-college graduates who were Hispanic than college graduates in this election.

More than half of the people who'll be given amnesty don't have a high school diploma-let alone a bachelor's degree.

Makes perfect political sense, doesn't it?

The Stupid Party

42 posted on 11/13/2012 11:13:09 AM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane

Thanks for the link.


43 posted on 11/13/2012 11:25:19 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: nevergore

I grew up in southern California and heard Spanish spoken everywhere. One of my dearest friends was born in Mexico and naturalized as a U.S.citizen. She was extraordinary in that she did not resent gringoes.

You are correct when you say that the Hispanic vote isn’t monolithic. But the illegal alien numbers are very large now, as is the numbers of Marxist activists pushing the issue of amnesty.

I stand with the rule of law. This isn’t about race or ethnicity. Without it, we will be a totally lawless land. We’re already trending that direction, and quickly.


44 posted on 11/13/2012 11:28:45 AM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Before amnesty, illegals were easy to spot, literally from a block away, amnesty made that impossible because illegals and those who still appeared as illegal but were under amnesty looked the same.

Younger freepers or those not from border states probably won’t understand that.


45 posted on 11/13/2012 11:46:06 AM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: nevergore

“The author is full of BS.”

It’s you, not the author, that has the excrement problem.


46 posted on 11/13/2012 11:50:06 AM PST by Pelham (America, 1775-2012)
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To: SeekAndFind
5 Reasons Amnesty Would Be Political Suicide For The Republican Party

5 Reasons??!!??

I can think of 30,000,000 reasons.
How many Conservatives are there who believe in the Constitution and the rule of law?

Repeal immigration laws or enforce them.
It's not rocket science.

47 posted on 11/13/2012 11:58:09 AM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Theodore R.; sand88; Cheerio; kabar

And so does the myth that a Republican can win a general election....Each year the number goes down...1.8M this year...

The reason that the Republicans are not garnering any wins is because we have not proferred a true conservative candidate since Reagan....

In the absence of leadership and clearly defined values, people will vote for who gives them the most....

When you clearly articulate conservative values and hope for the future, for yourself and your childrens, people will vote for you.....That’s all demographics.....

If you do not believe that basic tenent, then you might as go register as a Democrat right now and get what you can get from the gubermint.....


48 posted on 11/13/2012 12:03:55 PM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: donna; Wonder Warthog

It would take an activist judge 10 minutes to declare Warthog’s idea a violation of the Constitution. It wouldn’t matter if it wasn’t, it would get scrapped like Prop 187 was in California.

And before the propaganda crowd shows up with their usual misinformation, Judge Pfaelzer’s one-woman scrapping of Prop 187 was never reviewed by an Appeals Court. She colluded with Gov Gray Davis to have her decision to overturn the vote of 60% of the California voters be accepted without appeal, and the worthless RINO Arnold went along with that foul decision.


49 posted on 11/13/2012 12:05:04 PM PST by Pelham (America, 1775-2012)
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To: nevergore
Reagan (the greatest conservative president ever!) had an amnesty program.
He unfortunately trusted Congress that they would couple it with border control, and got screwed...

So we should try it again?

Never again.
Tax increases now?
Serious, significant spending reductions NOW.

If they both don't apply simultaneously, it's not a compromise. It's capitulation. Compromises MUST track.

Otherwise I'm not even discussing it.

50 posted on 11/13/2012 12:08:02 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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