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To: SeekAndFind
The author is full of BS...

Reagan (the greatest conservative president ever!) had an amnesty program.

He unfortunately trusted Congress that they would couple it with border control, and got screwed.....

This is an issue that must be dealt with in a thoughtful, compassionate manner without rhetoric or hyperbole.... Screaming about 20 foot fences and moats with alligators doesn't cut it....

How to handle it is subject to debate.

However, the Hispanic vote is NOT locked to Democrats. Hispanic voters values are more aligned with conservative values than liberal.

There are ways to address the issue, adhere to our principle, resolve the problem and win the Hispanic vote for all time....

During the primary, Newt articulated one of them....

5 posted on 11/13/2012 8:09:41 AM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: nevergore
Hispanic voters values are more aligned with conservative values than liberal.

Could be...until the GOP-E gives all the illegal aliens the vote.

You see the problem?

14 posted on 11/13/2012 8:30:28 AM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: nevergore
However, the Hispanic vote is NOT locked to Democrats. Hispanic voters values are more aligned with conservative values than liberal.

Absolute NONSENSE! Biggest political myth of the past 30 years. "Hispanic values" = WELFARE STATE. Period. Hispanic immigrants receive welfare 4 times as often as other immigrants. 71% of illegal aliens in TX receive at least one form of welfare. They get freebies and they want more. MUCH more. And Democrats are the pushers. You can't beat Santa Claus.

Also, if Reagan's amnesty was so "compassionate" and popular with Hispanics, then why did George H.W. Bush get a horrid 30% of their vote just 2 years later?

19 posted on 11/13/2012 8:58:22 AM PST by montag813
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To: nevergore

100% complete and total bunk and BS .....go spend a little time in El Paso or what’s left of small towns in the Texas Panhandle and tell me these illegals have conservative values .....


20 posted on 11/13/2012 9:06:20 AM PST by thestob (Vote or P. Diddy will kill you)
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To: nevergore
"However, the Hispanic vote is NOT locked to Democrats."

Since most were motivated by money -earned or otherwise- to come here in the first place, it's logical they'd flock to whoever is promising them easier access to it. I doubt the GOP will be adding 'more free stuff' to the plank anytime soon.

21 posted on 11/13/2012 9:10:38 AM PST by moehoward
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To: nevergore; All

Illegal Alien Amnesty is Anti-American Bigotry

We do not need Illegals. We have enough Americans out of work...and we do not have the revenue to keep Illegals, and their families, on their welfare rolls

And, it is political suicide for the GOP to bring in voters for the Democrats.

100% Deportation is not an extreme view. it is the proper solution to the Illegal Alien problem

And, Newt Gingrich’s “Guest Worker” program is just Amnesty rapped up in a different package. Whether it is Guest Worker Amnesty, or DREAM ACT Amnesty...it is still Amnesty if you do not 100% Deport all Illegals

Our National Security begins at the border. We fail in all security when we compromise our borders


22 posted on 11/13/2012 9:12:28 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Insanity is ever believeing Karl Rove is a conservative)
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To: nevergore
However, the Hispanic vote is NOT locked to Democrats. Hispanic voters values are more aligned with conservative values than liberal.

Facts are stubborn things. The idea of the “social issues” Hispanic voter is also a mirage. A majority of Hispanics now support gay marriage, a Pew Research Center poll from last month found. The Hispanic out-of-wedlock birth rate is 53 percent, about twice that of whites.

Hispanics have the highest school drop out rate of any group. Educational attainment among Hispanics remains very low. Just 10% of foreign-born and 13.5% of native Latinos have finished college, placing the group's completion rate at about a third of the national average.

Hispanics, immigrant and native, are major users of welfare programs.

Hispanics are a natural constituency for Democrats. They will, along with blacks, become part of the permanent underclass in this society. They will vote Democrat.

29 posted on 11/13/2012 9:34:23 AM PST by kabar
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To: nevergore
However, the Hispanic vote is NOT locked to Democrats. Hispanic voters values are more aligned with conservative values than liberal.

You are completely wrong. It is absolutely wishful thinking to think that within 100 years we could ever get more than 35% of the Hispanic vote.

I suggest you read Heather McDonald's piece of the utter futility of amnesty.

32 posted on 11/13/2012 9:40:29 AM PST by sand88
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To: nevergore
Hispanic voters values are more aligned with conservative values than liberal

Election returns year after year show that this statement is a myth.

34 posted on 11/13/2012 9:56:55 AM PST by Theodore R. (Once again the American people have been found sorely wanting. I think it will continue.)
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To: nevergore
Reagan (the greatest conservative president ever!) had an amnesty program. He unfortunately trusted Congress that they would couple it with border control, and got screwed.....

Sort of like trusting DEMS in Congress when you reach a grand bargain on reducing spending during the next 100 years, in exchange for raising taxes NEXT year. Same as immigration when the promise of closing the border and "this is the last amnesty ever" are offset with instant amnesty - the tax increases are never matched with the promised spending reductions out into the next 100 years. NEVER EVER TRUST A POLITICIAN, AND IN PARTICULAR A RAT.
39 posted on 11/13/2012 11:04:47 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: nevergore

I grew up in southern California and heard Spanish spoken everywhere. One of my dearest friends was born in Mexico and naturalized as a U.S.citizen. She was extraordinary in that she did not resent gringoes.

You are correct when you say that the Hispanic vote isn’t monolithic. But the illegal alien numbers are very large now, as is the numbers of Marxist activists pushing the issue of amnesty.

I stand with the rule of law. This isn’t about race or ethnicity. Without it, we will be a totally lawless land. We’re already trending that direction, and quickly.


44 posted on 11/13/2012 11:28:45 AM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: nevergore

“The author is full of BS.”

It’s you, not the author, that has the excrement problem.


46 posted on 11/13/2012 11:50:06 AM PST by Pelham (America, 1775-2012)
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To: nevergore
Reagan (the greatest conservative president ever!) had an amnesty program.
He unfortunately trusted Congress that they would couple it with border control, and got screwed...

So we should try it again?

Never again.
Tax increases now?
Serious, significant spending reductions NOW.

If they both don't apply simultaneously, it's not a compromise. It's capitulation. Compromises MUST track.

Otherwise I'm not even discussing it.

50 posted on 11/13/2012 12:08:02 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: nevergore

Problem is, we have people like you who can’t tell the difference between Conservative values and Tribal values.

Yes, the invading barbarians may be very careful with their resources, but they’re more than willing to grab everything they can from their victims. Same thing with women; they might take care their own, but the outsider’s women are just there for taking...

Some illegal aliens may have conservative values; most of them are tribal and consider outsiders like you and me to be potential victims.


56 posted on 11/13/2012 1:07:10 PM PST by Little Ray (I have VOTED AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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