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Lessons Learned - What can we learn from Election 2012? Some reflections
National Review Online ^ | November 9, 2012 | NRO Symposium

Posted on 11/13/2012 1:50:43 PM PST by neverdem

What can we learn from Election 2012? Some reflections: 

GERARD ALEXANDER
Some are feeling despair: If Republicans gave it their all, and couldn’t beat a polarizing president in a terrible economy, maybe they can never win again.This is bad political analysis, for four reasons. First, many perceive the economy as no worse than when Obama took office, and so they don’t see him as incompetent. Months ago, several political-science models that emphasize economic factors predicted a slender incumbent victory. Second, Obama won with 51 percent, which even the New York Times headlines acknowledged was a slim win. Third, Romney mobilized fewer votes overall than McCain four years ago, which means that Republicans didn’t really give it their all, and have room to grow. That explains some down-ticket losses as well as the defeat for the presidency.

Finally, ask yourself: What Democrat with national stature will be able to replicate Obama’s ability to enthuse and mobilize such a wide and deep coalition? Not Biden, not any of the congressional leaders, nor the governor of any large state. In contrast, we can already see Rubio, Ryan, and (yes) Christie on the GOP side.

Conservatives have a lot to worry about over the next four years. Permanent minority status is not one of them.

— Gerard Alexander is associate professor of politics at the University of Virginia.

HUNTER BAKER
Mitt Romney ran an excellent campaign. I congratulate him on investing in the hard work of leadership rather than living it up in some island paradise. He is an American hero. Regrettably, he was the wrong person to run in a year when the single greatest challenge Republicans could make rested on the repeal of Obamacare. Anti-Obamacare sentiment was enough to elect Scott Brown in Massachusetts. It might well have been enough to put the right Republican over the top nationwide. But Mitt Romney could not make a convincing case against Obama’s law when it so closely resembled his own work in Massachusetts. His federalism distinction was technically accurate, but it made little sense to the typical voter, who just saw an apple that looked like the apple everyone was yelling about.

We may also have learned something about Americans and religion. Romney underperformed McCain by 2 to 3 million votes. That is astonishing. President Obama’s support practically collapsed, as he brought in about 9 million fewer votes than in 2008. Had Romney been able to build on McCain’s overall base, he would probably have won the popular vote and possibly the White House. I can think of a couple of theories to explain Romney’s underperformance in total votes. One is that many conservatives refused to vote for a moderate Northeastern former governor who was the prime catalyst for a huge government health plan in his state. The second theory is less attractive. Many Republican voters may have refused to support a member of the LDS faith.

Third, it is clear Republicans must crack the code of appealing to minorities. They lost African-Americans, as usual. But the GOP also performed terribly with Hispanics and — to my surprise — with Asian-Americans. Somehow, Republicans have ended up on the wrong end of some kind of us v. them notion regarding race that is totally unjustified, but apparently has some currency of perception. This issue may have to become the top priority, because it is by far the best way to change the electoral math. I don’t have the answer here, but it is time for a Manhattan Project for Republicans on breaking down the racial barriers in a durable fashion.

Finally (and related to the third point), I have also concluded that George W. Bush’s “compassionate conservatism” has been the recipient of too much vitriol. In this race, Mitt Romney did not have a rhetorical or programmatic shield to protect him from the usual charge of Republican unconcern for the plight of ordinary Americans (and minority Americans). George W. Bush’s campaign was able to argue effectively for the role of civil society in addressing the problems of those who fall behind. In Britain, David Cameron argued from similar premises with his Big Society (as opposed to Big Government) and became prime minister. Back in Bush’s first term, I can recall NPR liberals complaining about the compelling nature of the conservative social-science arguments on the ability of marriage and family to blunt social pathologies, increase economic mobility, and break cycles of poverty. I didn’t hear many of those arguments this time around. I think it is time to revisit them.

— Hunter Baker is associate professor of political science at Union University and author of the forthcoming The End of Secularism and Political Thought: A Student’s Guide.

FRANK CANNON
The hardest thing for conservative elites to assimilate from this election is the rejection of Romney’s economic message by the voters. At a time of high unemployment, with four years of economic failure and burgeoning deficits, it should have been impossible for Obama to win reelection.

The fundamental problem is that the middle class did not hear the conservative economic message as addressing directly their two primary anxieties: unstable employment and a decline in real income.

Here is the current disconnect in a nutshell: 37 percent of voters in exit polls named rising prices as the biggest economic problem, basically tied with the 38 percent who named unemployment (only 15 percent named the deficit, and 14 percent named taxes). It is time for the conservative movement to think seriously about the forgotten prong of the Reagan economic agenda: better monetary policy — specifically, a gold-linked dollar as a means of fiscal discipline and price stability. In reality, as well as politically, only a program of monetary reform can provide a plausible case that wage-earners will not continue to fall behind, that steady and consistent growth will not be undermined by the fiscal policies of government.

Finally, in addition to appealing to Latinos, it is critical that the GOP get the social issues right. The truce strategy is the most politically ineffectual position possible. Republicans this election cycle adopted pro-life, pro-marriage, and pro-religious-liberty positions while showing voters they would not publicly promote or defend them. This enables liberals to define the public debate on social issues on their terms, not ours.

So we argue social issues on our weakest political ground (rape exceptions) and take a political hit, while reaping none of the political benefits the social issues have in attracting new voters (including Latinos) into the coalition.

An economic policy that addresses middle-class economic decline, a more substantive appeal to Latinos, and an integrated American conservatism that defends fundamental values fearlessly: That’s the pathway to victory moving forward.

— Frank Cannon is president of the American Principles Project.

MAUREEN FERGUSON
To extract lessons from this election from the Catholic perspective, one need look no further than Ohio. In exit polls, 25 percent of voters identified themselves as Catholic, and they went 55 percent for Romney and a mere 44 percent for Obama. These numbers are quite different from the national Catholic vote, which split pretty evenly, and it is highly unusual for the Catholic vote not to be with the winner. The spread favors Romney even more among church-going Ohio Catholics. Why so different in Ohio? The Life and Liberty coalition had an extensive grassroots ground game in Ohio. Where the battle was fully engaged, where voters saw the stark contrast between the two candidates on life issues and religious liberty, the outcome was different.

The next lesson does not apply only to Catholics. Catholic outreach needs to include a strong emphasis on Hispanic Catholic outreach. Forty percent of Catholics are Hispanic. The Church teaches us to be welcoming to the immigrant — this is a natural complement to the pro-family, pro-religious-liberty, pro-life coalition. We must find a way to do this better — it is likely to be a major policy debate in the years to come, and the Hispanic population continues to grow as a key constituency in American politics and in the pews.

— Maureen Ferguson is senior policy adviser for the Catholic Association.

DAVID FRENCH
It’s virtually impossible to construct a conservative political majority out of a liberal culture. Thus — paraphrasing Daenerys Targaryen from George R. R. Martin’s outstanding Game of Thrones books — to go forward, we must go back. We must go back to the hard work of rebuilding our culture. Can conservatives truly hope to prevail if we can’t arrest the growth of illegitimacy and the decline of marriage? Or if we leave the education of our children to those who reject and scorn conservative values? Or if the entire pop culture outside the conservative cocoon reinforces that scorn?

Even a singular political talent like Ronald Reagan would have difficulty winning in our current cultural environment. Yet conforming is not an option. Conservatives should reject any political movement that responds to negative cultural changes simply by making peace with those changes and becoming merely a slightly less malign cultural force.

In essence, we must become a missionary force in our own culture. We can’t outsource cultural transformation to even the most charismatic politician. Our liberal friends don’t read our websites, watch our television, or listen to our radio, but perhaps they’ll listen to the neighbor who brought them a hot meal when their mother was sick, or to the co-worker who stayed late to help them meet an urgent deadline.

At the risk of lurching from geekery (the Game of Thrones reference above) to the trite, I’m reminded of the somewhat silly, yet also profound, “Southwest [Airlines] Way” — where employees are asked to demonstrate a warrior spirit, a servant’s heart, and a fun-loving attitude. In true conservative spirit, we can learn a lot from the culture of one of America’s most successful businesses. After all, as Ronald Reagan understands better than anyone, there’s no warrior quite as effective as the happy warrior.

— David French is co-founder of Evangelicals for Mitt.

JOHN J. PITNEY JR.
After President George H. W. Bush led the nation to victory in the 1991 Gulf War, some Republicans thought that they would get a political bonanza. Representative Mickey Edwards (R., Okla.) was skeptical. Warning against “our own tendency to engage in wishful thinking,” he said: “The fact is, voters think what they think, not what we want them to think.” Bush’s 1992 defeat confirmed the wisdom of that observation.

It’s even wiser today. During the 2012 campaign, conservatives and Republicans generally fell prey to wishful thinking. We often heard that beating President Obama would be a cinch if only the GOP had the right message and messenger. As I wrote here in September, it was never going to be a cinch. Incumbent presidents are hard to beat, especially when the economy is growing, albeit slowly.

In the future, we have to pay attention even when the polls tell us things we don’t like.

But just as we have to guard against wishful thinking, we also have to beware the current temptation to despair. Yes, President Obama won a victory, but he barely topped a majority of the popular vote, and his share of the electoral vote was actually below average for a winning candidate. Republicans held the House, where they will serve as a check on the president.

Thank you, James Madison.

—  John J. Pitney Jr. is Roy P. Crocker Professor of American Politics at Claremont McKenna College.

RALPH REED
The 2012 election both was sobering for conservatives and provides a path forward.

First, voters of faith turned out in record numbers, and they voted overwhelmingly for Mitt Romney. Conservative Christians made up 29 percent of the electorate and voted 80 percent for Mitt Romney and only 19 percent for Barack Obama. Evangelicals turned out in the largest numbers ever recorded in a modern presidential election and voted as heavily for Romney as they did for George W. Bush, a fellow evangelical. Few would have predicted that outcome even a few months ago. Faithful Mass-attending Catholics made up another 10 percent of the electorate, and they voted 67 percent for Romney and only 32 percent for Obama. These two groups — faithful Catholics and evangelicals — gave Romney 59.7 percent of all the votes he received.

But it wasn’t enough. Romney underperformed with younger voters, Hispanics, Asians, single women, and African-Americans. Given the increasing diversity of the country and the demographic realities of a majority-minority population by the year 2050, Republicans must do better among these non-traditional voting groups.

The good news is that many of them share our conservative principles. According to a post-election survey by Public Opinion Strategies, for example, 32 percent of Hispanic voters identify themselves as evangelicals or conservative Christians. The next GOP presidential nominee must win at least 40 percent of the Hispanic vote. Adding entrepreneurial Hispanics and women who own their own small businesses to the one-third of Latinos who are conservative Christians would add approximately 4 percent to the national popular vote for a conservative candidate.

We must not surrender our core conservative principles. But we must recruit and run candidates who can appeal to voters who ve not always felt welcome in our ranks. That work begins now.

― Ralph Reed is president of the Faith and Freedom Coalition. 

ADAM SCHAEFFER

Romney lost because of Obama’s dominance in the ad wars (in terms both of number of ads aired and their effectiveness in moving the vote) and the far more sophisticated and effective GOTV efforts on the Left.

The crafts of campaigns and campaigning, argument and persuasion, are currently driven on our side by static microtargeting models, good storytelling, and political palm-reading done with dials and polls and robo-calls instead of solid, thoughtful science.

Voting is an act born not of cost-benefit analysis but primarily of social motivations. And, as I’ve written before, with great anxiety, Progressives understand this, have studied this seriously, and have worked hard to perfect the science and art of persuasion and turnout.

The conservative/free-market movement and the Republican party need to take social science seriously and catch up as quickly as possible on this front.

It won’t be easy; Progressives have a huge reservoir of social/behavioral scientists who can move back and forth between academia and politics. We don’t, so we will have to do more with less as we build our capacities.

Here’s what we need to do:

1. Experiments, experiments, experiments. And I mean careful randomized, controlled experiments and serious analysis of the data. Message experiments within online surveys, big data experiments online, field experiments, and blended online/field experiments. Big ones, small ones, simple and complicated. Test everything. Testing isn’t an add-on or a luxury, it is a necessity. We need to move from the Era of Gurus into the Era of Science.

2. Identify young social scientists to recruit to our causes and encourage and support graduate education in political psychology/behavior, psychology, etc.

3. Don’t write off the American public. I’ve heard a lot of despair and bitterness about the fact that voters returned Obama to the White House. We can’t give up on our country. The answer is to work harder, to work smarter, to explain more effectively what’s right and why, and to make sure every last voter on our side goes out and votes. Every time.

— Adam Schaeffer is co-founder and director of research at Evolving Strategies.

SABRINA SCHAEFFER
There’s no way to sugarcoat it. Despite my prediction earlier this week that the War on Women narrative would backfire and the GOP would increase its margin of the female vote, the election was a disaster when it came to women.

Romney did almost no better with women than John McCain did in 2008. He did approximately the same with married women (a core constituency for Republicans), and Obama once again had a landslide victory with unmarried women.

Sadly, the GOP lost all the gains on this front that it made during the 2010 midterm elections, when Republicans managed to close the gender gap and elect a slew of strong, conservative female lawmakers to the House, the Senate, and state legislatures.

Conservatives shy away from playing gender politics — which is a good thing — but that doesn’t mean we don’t need to think seriously about how to talk to women.

It’s certainly our goal at the Independent Women’s Forum to reach women about how limited government, personal responsibility, and free markets will actually give them more freedom, more choice, more opportunity, and more security.

The bottom line is that conservatives — and, by extension. Republicans — have a great message, but it’s not reaching voters. As Adam Schaeffer wrote (above) there is a giant need for more experimentation; but Republicans have to develop a respect for organizing and turnout efforts comparable to the Democrats’.

In the end, we need to get out there and talk face-to-face to women and make it clear that Liberty Is No War on Women.

— Sabrina Schaeffer is executive director of the Independent Women’s Forum and co-author of Liberty Is No War on Women.
 

CHARMAINE YOEST
This is not a lesson learned, but it bears repeating as context: It’s an uphill climb against a demagogue with a loose relationship with the truth, working in the warm bath of the Fourth Estate Booster Club. In this election, we saw life-ending drugs falsely touted as “women’s health”; radical abrogation of conscience rights promoted as “compromise”; and opposition to protection for infants born alive promoted as “compassion.” And the result was that 67  percent of single women voted for the Abortion President. We have serious work to do.

We know that abortion harms women. But apparently these women do not. In the middle of the election season Tonya Reeves, a young black mother, died from a botched abortion. Tonya walked into a Planned Parenthood facility on Michigan Avenue in Chicago — the president’s back yard — and was left to hemorrhage, right across the street from the Art Institute, for five hours before her death. The self-appointed arbiters of women’s well-being organized no marches and no demonstrations, and called for no investigations. The president said nothing.

What did we learn in this election? We learned that Tonya Reeves did not look like Barack Obama’s daughters. And if he won’t defend her, we will.

― Charmaine Yoest is president of Americans United for Life.



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1 posted on 11/13/2012 1:50:54 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

What we learned??? The ends justifies the means. Lie cheat whatever to win... Lie about your opponent... Bald face lie.. Tell everyone he is a liar, Cheat, killer, whatever to win!!!


2 posted on 11/13/2012 1:54:08 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: neverdem

#1 message:

DO NOT DEVIATE FROM OUR VALUES!!! NO MORE RINOS!!!!!

If we tee up a real Conservative (Ryan?) we will win.

Do NOT back off. Do NOT become obama claus. Do NOT open the borders and pander to Latinos (they won’t vote Conservative anyway — the Latino vote REDUCED after Reagan signed the amnesty).

Do NOT sacrifice our integrity.

That is the winning formula.


3 posted on 11/13/2012 1:54:58 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: neverdem

Vote early. Vote often. Register your dogs and cats and dead relatives.

/sarcasm!!!!!


4 posted on 11/13/2012 1:57:12 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: neverdem

I learned there is no rape exception here. I can accept that but I doubt enough women voters will accept it enough to vote GOP ever again.


5 posted on 11/13/2012 2:01:50 PM PST by soycd
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To: neverdem
The hardest thing for conservative elites to assimilate from this election is the rejection of Romney’s economic message by the voters

To me, that's the most stunning aspect of it all. Romney articulated a positive, optimistic message about an America that rights itself and returns to an era of economic growth and prosperity. Obama, by contrast, attacked Romney 24/7.

So much for the idea that negative campaigning is a turnoff. It may be to some people, but it undeniably works.

This election also showed the fateful tipping point was reached and passed. The ruling majority in America is either of the taker class or a big supporter of it. Either way, it's comprised of people who are strongly of the belief someone else has dibs on much of what you earn.

It also showed Americans are quite willing to overlook the abject failure of Obama in the foreign affairs arena. Averting its eyes to the Benghazi terror attack and the utter failure of the Obama regime during the "Arab Spring" months, voters allowed themselves to be convinced Obama was simply doing a splendid job safeguarding the nation.. when nothing could be further from the truth.

It reaffirmed my disdain for mushy middle "independent" voters, those linguini-spined jellyfish who let the last shiny bling on the way to the polling booth guide their vote. Case in point was that fateful photo op with Obama and his new BFF Christie, bear hugging and mugging before the cameras. Exit polls showed more than 50% of indies who made up their minds just before the election were swayed by that image... regardless of what the actual outcome for the locals turned out to be.

6 posted on 11/13/2012 2:02:04 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: ScottinVA

Averting its eyes = Averting their eyes


7 posted on 11/13/2012 2:04:25 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: neverdem

At first glance, Frank Cannon got it about right. Lots of good points above.

I believe the overall message is that the GOP is operating on an old model of marketing and GOTV. Lots have been discussed about GOTV, but the marketing side impacted signiiantly. Many have pointed to Romney being defined all summer by Obama. This is true, and that should have been answered at the time. The bigger issue (as far as how to correct) is to use advertising that gets to the key voters. Obama started running ads on Facebook, newspapers, and other online display ads early in 2012 redefining his economic record as ‘recovery’. They used the famous jobs graph showing job growth starting in the month of his inauguration and growing every month since. There were others. We never countered that argument, thinking people would ignore propaganda and make decisions based on their own situations. That was a poor assumption.

We needed to hammer and reinforce the many areas of damage done as his policies were enacted. We needed to use clips of Obama and Biden predicting their big economic recovery in 2009 and 2010...and then show data that demonstrated they were wrong. In retrospect, I am shocked at how our side let the opposition set the narrative...and that narrative was reflected down the line in election day polls.


8 posted on 11/13/2012 2:05:24 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: neverdem

GOPe and the RNC are the gang that couldn’t shoot straight.

With their promotion of Romney and total abject failure of support for good and decent candidates like Bachman they shot themselves in the foot. In fact, both feet.

These jackasses went out of their way and spent millions in their pursuit of delivering on quid pro quo after Romney went around papering other Republicans for their flattery and endorsements.

Then they winked at Boehner who wanted payback for a Congress Woman who spoke her mind and was never shy about where she stood and they were very clear in their agenda to see her fail by with holding congressional monies to ensure she would remain competitive.

The just dessert was her prevailing despite open opposition from her own team.

FU Boehner, Blubberer, Cowardly Lion,. With a crappy synthetic tan. If you are opposed in your next race I’m sending money to that person in the hopes to end your self serving carreer....

You too Cantor...

FU Reince Priebus, your stoopit name sounds like some idiotic, greenie, solar Loser product ...

You weren’t one iota better or different than Steele...


9 posted on 11/13/2012 2:07:54 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: neverdem

Conservatives should not split their vote in the primary elections, they should unite behind one candidate four.


10 posted on 11/13/2012 2:08:11 PM PST by Liberal Bob (looneyleft.com)
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To: neverdem

Quick show of hands here...who would rather wallow in permanent political minority status for a generation before making real, serious concessions to libertarians and Ron Paul supporters to form a coalition with them?


11 posted on 11/13/2012 2:08:57 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: ScottinVA

Romney was a false messenger bearing false claims. Same as McCain. Neither are conservatives and neither can articulate a believable conservative message.

The lesson is: Don’t run pretend conservatives!!


12 posted on 11/13/2012 2:11:15 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: neverdem

Giving your all might work... giving your 20% does not.


13 posted on 11/13/2012 2:12:28 PM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: Orangedog

Ron Paul can go suck an egg. He was a good guy before he went truther.


14 posted on 11/13/2012 2:13:47 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: ScottinVA

In retrospect, Romney never articulated WHY he would be better for the economy, and specifically for the voters. Many of them cannot draw conclusions on their own. The critical thinking skills taught in school only deal with which brand of “ISM” to support.


15 posted on 11/13/2012 2:14:58 PM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Odd...I seem to recall Ron Paul calling all of the 9/11 truther stuff preposterous during the 2008 debates.


16 posted on 11/13/2012 2:18:14 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog

Yeah, well, too bad he didn’t stay clear of Alex Jones and the truther madness crowd.


17 posted on 11/13/2012 2:23:23 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Is that the same way Reagan should have shunned the log cabin republicans? Should conservatives have dropped support for Reagan for accepting donations from them?


18 posted on 11/13/2012 2:26:27 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Liz

” Finally, ask yourself: What Democrat with national stature will be able to replicate Obama’s ability to enthuse and mobilize such a wide and deep coalition? Not Biden, not any of the congressional leaders, nor the governor of any large state. In contrast, we can already see Rubio, Ryan, and (yes) Christie on the GOP side.

Conservatives have a lot to worry about over the next four years. Permanent minority status is not one of them.

— Gerard Alexander is associate professor of politics at the University of Virginia.”

Yeah, we need more Rubios and Christies....

Nothing on stopping voter fraud, just a bunch of pukeneos
spewing the same tired bromides : )


19 posted on 11/13/2012 2:26:35 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: neverdem; vette6387; mazda77; left that other site; ZULU; rodguy911; bitt; onyx; Forty-Niner; ...

IMO, FUBO won via Massive voter fraud and no one, absolutely no one or any agency in DC, has the spine and guts to expose it

Can we agree that the gutless GOP leadership and the Romney Campaign are all eunuchs?


20 posted on 11/13/2012 2:28:23 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: neverdem

I’ll read this later but re the headline what comes to mind is ENFORCE THE DAMN LAWS, ALL OF THEM NO MATTER WHO BREAKS ONE


21 posted on 11/13/2012 2:29:32 PM PST by drypowder
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To: tallyhoe
What we learned??? The ends justifies the means. Lie cheat whatever to win... Lie about your opponent... Bald face lie.. Tell everyone he is a liar, Cheat, killer, whatever to win!!!

Precisely! When you're fighting gutter slime like Hussein, forget Marquis de Queensbury rules, and when he spouts lies in his ads, respond immediately and forcefully!

One other thing - the primary battle was way too long. Republicans grew bored and tired of the sniping and it provided way too much ammunition for the dims.

22 posted on 11/13/2012 2:31:02 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Never Underestimate the Power of Evil or Evil Doers)
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To: Orangedog

Look, FR is totally opposed to the godless, statist homosexual agenda and any part of it. If you and Ron Paul don’t like that you can both take a freaking hike!!


23 posted on 11/13/2012 2:31:13 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Right on!

Run a TEA Party Conservative.

Voter ID in every state.


24 posted on 11/13/2012 2:36:08 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Voter ID in every state.

Make it a national requirement, if necessary.


25 posted on 11/13/2012 2:38:00 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: neverdem

What I learned is Romney seems to quite happy he lost..
Doesn’t bother him a bit... maybe he “knew” he was going to lose..

The first debate was so he could “save face”...
He don’t seem to be all that unhappy with claims of VOTER FRAUD either..
Like he already KNEW something..

Like he was “picked” to be the “Schlemazel”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLsukIsrcMI


26 posted on 11/13/2012 2:45:54 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: neverdem

” - What can we learn from Election 2012”

Cheating works.


27 posted on 11/13/2012 2:47:13 PM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: neverdem

What have we learned?

1)That the People Have Spoken, and they have said, “DUHHHHHHHHH”.....

2)That Hispanics may be onboard with pro-life, pro-family traditional values, but when it comes time to vote they’re on the side of the gubbermint check.

3)That the Under 30 crowd is an utterly lost generation, unserious, lacking in education, fully self-absorbed, and a sitting duck for any despot who comes along with a really good marketing campaign.

4)That social networking tools like Twitter have essentially destroyed the country by allowing Democrats to microtarget messages to each individual voter. You’re a 22 year old slut that wants free abortions and birth control? That’s our #1 priority, Vote Obama! You’re a 29 year old grad student who wants all his student loans forgiven? That’s our #1 priority, Vote Obama! You’re a 24 year old trangendered cult member who wants NASA to launch a probe to Uranus to find the mother ship? That’s our #1 priority Vote Obama! Etc. etc. etc.

5)That despite our proud boasting to the contrary, Americans are just as much into envy and class warfare as any other human beings on the planet.


28 posted on 11/13/2012 2:49:54 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: freedumb2003

Amnesty is going to happen. The borders are also still open.

We have become terribly naive. We run nothing but the House and they are going to fold.

The new citizens will not be here for rugged indidvidualism and freedom.


29 posted on 11/13/2012 2:51:56 PM PST by dforest
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To: Jim Robinson
Look, FR is totally opposed to the godless, statist homosexual agenda and any part of it. If you and Ron Paul don’t like that you can both take a freaking hike!!

So Ronald Reagan wouldn't be welcome at FR because he accepted the support of the log cabin republicans?

Aside from that, I know it sucks that the RNC and GOP establishment crammed romney down your throats. It really sucked when they felt the need to cheat at the convention to make sure Paul's delegates didn't count. They didn't need to...romney had it locked up anyway, but they just wanted to shove it in his the faces of his delegates that they could do it and get away with it.

Seriously, your problems are way bigger than who the homosexuals chose to support. Neither one of your nominees could even carry their own states last week. But hey, you sure didn't need libertarians last week. We won't be around to stink up your minority sized tent in 2016 either if things keep going the way they are with the GOP. Most of us know that the dems will treat us just as poorly as the GOP does. I mean, look at how we are talked to here, and this is just a website, not the center of political power.

30 posted on 11/13/2012 2:53:00 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: neverdem

What did we learn? ... Too many takers dependent on the gov’t dime. They don’t care about unemployment, gas prices, Benghazi, etc. Obozo should have been fired for his job performance but was not. This election is as depressing as it gets and not sure now what the future holds for anyone with conservative values to make it to the WH. Sorry for the doom and gloom post but it’s what have been thinking since last Tuesday :(


31 posted on 11/13/2012 2:56:27 PM PST by mbird139
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To: dforest

>>Amnesty is going to happen. The borders are also still open.

We have become terribly naive. We run nothing but the House and they are going to fold.

The new citizens will not be here for rugged indidvidualism and freedom.<<

Then we have lost. Adios USA. you were beautiful while you lived.


32 posted on 11/13/2012 2:56:47 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: FReepers; Patriots; FRiends


FR fights for God, Life, Family, Country, Borders, Guns & Liberty!!

PLEASE DONATE TODAY!

33 posted on 11/13/2012 3:01:20 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
"You know, comrades," says Stalin, "that I think in regard to this: I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how."
34 posted on 11/13/2012 3:05:18 PM PST by COUNTrecount (Clear eyes. Full hearts. Can't fail .But We Did.)
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To: Orangedog

This site is 100% opposed to the homosexual agenda. Live with it or leave. Push it, you’ll be shown the door.


35 posted on 11/13/2012 3:10:43 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
That the Under 30 crowd is an utterly lost generation, unserious, lacking in education, fully self-absorbed, and a sitting duck for any despot who comes along with a really good marketing campaign.

White under 30s voted republican, that won't change much of the future, but it is nice to learn.

36 posted on 11/13/2012 3:19:41 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: freedumb2003

The One World Government is upon us. The amnesty will seal the deal. Notice how they have and are doing everything they can to wipe out America as a nation and as a nation state?

There is already a move to wipe out the National Anthem at sporting events.

It isn’t just that America will not be the same, it is that America will just be a land mass occupied by world citizens. Your birthright and citizenship mean nothing.


37 posted on 11/13/2012 3:31:31 PM PST by dforest
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To: Orangedog
We won't be around to stink up your minority sized tent in 2016 either if things keep going the way they are with the GOP. Most of us know that the dems will treat us just as poorly as the GOP does. I mean, look at how we are talked to here, and this is just a website, not the center of political power.

You don't post here anyway.

Outside of this thread, and a single post last week where you ranted about your devotion to 'PAULLLL' and asked freerepublic to cancel your account, you haven't posted since 2005.

38 posted on 11/13/2012 3:33:25 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: Jim Robinson

How am I pushing the homosexual agenda? I haven’t said a word in support of it and you know it. I don’t care one way or the other but you have every right to take a side and stick to your position.

Believe me, as a libertarian I know how much it sucks to be on the losing side of an election. Happens all the time with us. But you need to accept that the GOP had it’s ass handed to it for two presidential elections in a row, with even less votes this time around. It’s obvious very few of you want to hear it, but you’re going to need the libertarians. Why...? As part of the GOP, the soccer moms think you hate their kids, the hispanics are afraid of you and most of the african americans just plain don’t like you, for whatever reason. The GOP is going to need more allies if it doesn’t want a repeat in 2014 and 2016.


39 posted on 11/13/2012 3:37:53 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: ansel12

Glad to see you care so much about my opinion that you looked up my posting history. Check out some of the old Market Wrap-Up threads. Some of those were a real scream.

But yeah, keep up the recruitment for the next election. Not sure who you’re going to find, but you keep up the effort, Tiger!


40 posted on 11/13/2012 3:40:33 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: neverdem
from Frank Cannon: "...it is critical that the GOP get the social issues right. The truce strategy is the most politically ineffectual position possible. Republicans this election cycle adopted pro-life, pro-marriage, and pro-religious-liberty positions while showing voters they would not publicly promote or defend them. "

Exactly!

My worst disappointment with Romney came when he immediately condemned Todd Akin. This was just after Akin's comment that was caricatured as the so-called "legitimate rape" statement.

Yes, Akin's phrasing was clumsy. And yes, he should have realized he was being hooked into a "gotcha" situation. But beyond that, Akin's statement was not malicious, nor woman-hating, nor "offensive" (to any fair minded person). In fact, what Akin said was 100% correct (and I can say that 'cause I'm a woman /s) .

What would Ronald Reagan have done in that situation? I believe that Reagan would've done the opposite of Romney -- i.e. he would have seized the opportunity to explain to the public what being pro-life really means.

And thereby he would've won the hearts and minds, the respect, and the VOTES of many women -- even if they didn't agree entirely with his pro-life position.

41 posted on 11/13/2012 3:41:37 PM PST by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: Orangedog

Just stating a fact, pal. Don’t like it? Leave!


42 posted on 11/13/2012 3:45:01 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Orangedog

Clicking on your name wasn’t a big chore, I was curious what a lefty/libertarian would be doing on a conservative site.


43 posted on 11/13/2012 3:45:47 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: freedumb2003

If we tee up a real Conservative (Ryan?) we will win.

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Sorry, it does not matter. Our system is broken forever, as THEY now control the vote. We will soon be a Third World, Marxist hell hole. There is no point in even thinking about the next election. The fix is in.


44 posted on 11/13/2012 3:51:22 PM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I certainly am hoping that`s the case, JR... my nagging fear is the electorate saw Romney as TOO far to the political right. Good God, I so hope I`m wrong!


45 posted on 11/13/2012 3:56:17 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: ansel12

Might want to work on your sense of direction if you think I’m a “lefty.” Unless lefty now means small, limited, way less intrusive government. Most of the real lefties I’ve met are competing with the righties to see who can spend and centrally plan us into oblivion faster.


46 posted on 11/13/2012 4:05:46 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Jim Robinson
my original tag line last year was "don't let the media push Ronmey down our throats"

I guess I was right.

47 posted on 11/13/2012 4:10:13 PM PST by estrogen (voter fraud was huge)
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To: Orangedog

Anybody so hard left that they are of the libertarian party, is a nut case.

Libertarian Party Platform:

Throw open the borders completely and shut down the Border Patrol and INS; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”.

Homosexuals; total acceptance in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.

Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments.

Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.

Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, and anything new that science can come up with, zero restrictions.

Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.

Military Strength; minimal capabilities.


48 posted on 11/13/2012 4:11:57 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: neverdem

They will most likely learn the wrong lesson. Republicans are really good at that.


49 posted on 11/13/2012 4:13:03 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: ScottinVA

Romney lost for one reason and one reason only. He did not and could not energize the conservative base to vote or work for him 100%!! He’s a phony, a fraud and everyone right, left and everywhere in between knows it. He couldn’t even beat Juan McCain, for crying out loud. Romney is a loser with a capital “L.” Of course, we’re not saying anything new here. Not breaking new ground. We’ve been shouting it from the rooftops on FR since he and his sodomite/abortionist RINO Twin Rudy Giuliani first started making noises about running for the presidency way back when. NO Rudy McRomney was the battle cry!!

How many times do the fricking GOP-e and their enablers need to learn and re-learn the same lesson? DO NOT RUN RINOs!!

But, admittedly, Romney could have won—had he run as a DEMOCRAT!! Had a perfect record for it in his past pro-abortionism, pro-homosexualism, pro-gun control, pro-global warming, pro-government healthcare, etc, campaigns and as governor of TAXACHUSETTS!!


50 posted on 11/13/2012 4:14:15 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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