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Welcome to the Rand Paul evolution
Politico ^ | 11/13/12 | MANU RAJU

Posted on 11/13/2012 3:30:47 PM PST by Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

In an interview with POLITICO, Paul said he’ll return to Congress this week pushing measures long avoided by his party. He wants to work with liberal Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy and Republicans to eliminate mandatory minimum sentences for pot possession. He wants to carve a compromise immigration plan with an “eventual path” to citizenship for illegal immigrants, a proposal he believes could be palatable to conservatives. And he believes his ideas — along with pushing for less U.S. military intervention in conflicts overseas — could help the GOP broaden its tent and appeal to crucial voting blocs that handed Democrats big wins in the West Coast, the Northeast and along the Great Lakes.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; congress; immigration; kentucky; marijuana; paultards; randpaul; sellout; weed

1 posted on 11/13/2012 3:30:52 PM PST by Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

Hey, conservatives! Still like the new evolved Rand Paul?

Who cares about the rule of law? Surely not Senator Paul.


2 posted on 11/13/2012 3:33:29 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

Why doesn’t he just run in circles yell and shout: I’m just like daddy, I’m just like daddy!!!!!


3 posted on 11/13/2012 3:33:42 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: SatinDoll

Hell at this rate I figure Mitch McConnell will come out next week talking about legalizing homosexual bigamy. The GOP is in free fall.


4 posted on 11/13/2012 3:39:11 PM PST by Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
"He wants to work with liberal Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy and Republicans to eliminate mandatory minimum sentences for pot possession. He wants to carve a compromise immigration plan with an “eventual path” to citizenship for illegal immigrants, a proposal he believes could be palatable to conservatives. And he believes his ideas — along with pushing for less U.S. military intervention in conflicts overseas — could help the GOP broaden its tent and appeal to crucial voting blocs that handed Democrats big wins in the West Coast, the Northeast and along the Great Lakes."

Oh, yeah. Let's emphasize the really important stuff.

How about cutting the frickin' spending ALREADY!! HOW ABOUT CUTTING THE FRICKIN' GOVERNMENT!!

Amnesty? KMA!!

5 posted on 11/13/2012 3:42:58 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Interesting that you say that.
Given.......well never mind


6 posted on 11/13/2012 3:45:55 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: SatinDoll

>> Who cares about the rule of law?

We have too much damn law.


7 posted on 11/13/2012 3:46:54 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
Great idea, Rand.

Go to freaking Hard Left “Politico” to give an interview that is critical of the GOP.

Do Democrats call up “National Review” and give critical interviews about their party?

God, our leadership is so ignorant.

Bobby Jindal did exactly the same thing today, unloaded on the GOP to...can you guess...Politico!

And these are the guys who WON their elections!

8 posted on 11/13/2012 3:53:44 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Gene Eric

There is nothing wrong with our present immigration laws, except that they are not enforeced. Granting amnesty is definitely the wrong thing to do.


9 posted on 11/13/2012 3:55:41 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

Hey Paul - deal with voter fraud - start walking the talk or STHU! Conservative Allen West is SOLO in FL fighting - and the GOP has a great plan that conservatives will like.LOL!!

GO TO FLORIDA en mass and raise a stink!! What idiot would ever vote or support a GOP candidate again - when push comes to shove, they cave. So, IMO, it was all a big show to make sure the anti-American was elected! Prove me wrong.


10 posted on 11/13/2012 3:55:55 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Jim Robinson
How about cutting the frickin' spending ALREADY!! HOW ABOUT CUTTING THE FRICKIN' GOVERNMENT!!

With all due respect, Jim, he's tried that, too. From farther down in the article.

Paul hasn’t given up on the tea party agenda; he plans to lead what he says is a national movement to help usher through a constitutional amendment limiting House members and senators to 12 years of service to “throw some of the bums out just for length of service.”

But after his first two years in elected office, few, if any of Paul’s goals on his 2010 tea party platform have gone anywhere. He wanted to force lawmakers to wait one day for every 20 pages of a bill before a vote can occur — that never saw the light of day. He wanted to make sure every bill explicitly lays out its constitutional authority — that proposal is gathering dust. Often, he finds himself on the losing end of his own party — most notably on his recent push to slash foreign aid that failed resoundingly 10-81 over fears it would have weakened national security.

Paul's a mixed bag to be sure, but he's not ignoring the big issues. In fact, he's the only one addressing a lot of them. And, no, I'm not a "Paul-bot."

11 posted on 11/13/2012 4:00:41 PM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!! "Paul said the “trade-off” would be “not to accept any new legal immigrants while we’re assimilating the ones who are here.” Asked if he is concerned about the ripple effect that could cause around the world, Paul said the details over which countries would be affected are still in the works. SO the people trying to enter the USA legally will be forced to the back of the line to accommodate the illegals? Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83737_Page2.html#ixzz2C9O93ACW
12 posted on 11/13/2012 4:06:32 PM PST by katiedidit1
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

It’s absolutely foolish for the GOP to think that if they pander, but just don’t do it to quite the level that the Democrats do, that they will somehow curry favor with the dependent class. The stupid half of the country doesn’t want to be half taken care of, they want ALL the freebies and only the Democrats offer that.

This has been proven time after time as the Karl Roves of the world urge the GOP to run more “moderate” (read: liberal) candidates, who then proceed to get their butts kicked by 100% pure liberal dem candidates. Republicans must offer a REAL alternative who makes clear distinctions between himself and the dem of the day. “Liberal lite” only gets us beaten.

The way to approach this is by acknowledging the desires of the dependent class (because let’s face it, they’re not giving up their selfishness) and crafting our message to offer a more appealing alternative to welfare and food stamps. We need to turn their self-interest in our favor by making achievement and the desire to be “rich”, however one defines it, appealing and “cool.”

I know that’s a very tall order, but I think there are enough people who are basically good, but just don’t understand what conservatives are offering, that we can peel some of them away from the dem plantation. We just need to find a way to reassure them that we understand their needs and fears and that we have a much better way to satisfy them in the long run. Not easy for sure as most in the dependent class will not be receptive, but it must be done if we’re to have any chance at all.


13 posted on 11/13/2012 4:11:50 PM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

The tea party candidates should sign a promise on TV that if they do not keep their word to the supporters, they will quit so another liberty loving candidate can replace them.


14 posted on 11/13/2012 4:14:59 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt.)
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To: svcw
Why doesn’t he just run in circles yell and shout: I’m just like daddy, I’m just like daddy!!!!!

You say that like it is a bad thing.

15 posted on 11/13/2012 4:19:22 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Christie at the beach
Neither party will kick out the crybaby welfare state illegals. They MUST not cave in and grant them citizenship without going through the legal process. The military person should be given first legal process to citizenship. If they fast-track the illegals, it will bring in so much more fraud, the US government will not be able to keep up. A great message-Hey, USA is allowing illegals, bring and send your criminals this way. What a stupid and illegal plan.
16 posted on 11/13/2012 4:20:37 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt.)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
Evolution? This is no evolution -Rand has always been a Libertarian. Maybe he got elected by pretending to be a bit more of a conservative -that's it.

Now he is going to give advice on how to get elected -this from a member of the irrelevant politically impotent Libertarian party?

Give me a break...

17 posted on 11/13/2012 4:22:49 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: BfloGuy

Well, he should forget about pushing the drugs, the sodomy and the aliens. That crap will not turnout the conservative base. Period. And it will not attract the leftists either because they’ll hang with the real godless socialist Marxists of the scummy free sex, free drugs, sodomy, open borders and free abortion party.


18 posted on 11/13/2012 4:33:03 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: elkfersupper

Yes, I am.


19 posted on 11/13/2012 4:36:30 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

Paul is not “blending” his hard-line tea party roots with moderate ideas, he is simply acting like a real Libertarian. This author apparently is unaware of the species.


20 posted on 11/13/2012 4:39:54 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: BfloGuy

I like the term limit idea and it’s the same length I always thought should be used... 6 terms for Congressman and two terms for Senators, or 12 years each.


21 posted on 11/13/2012 4:43:56 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: svcw
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"Google Ron Paul !!!!"
"Google Ron Paul !!!!"
"Google Ron Paul !!!!"
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"Google Ron Paul !!!!"
"Google Ron Paul !!!!"



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22 posted on 11/13/2012 4:52:41 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Oh, I thought your were posting “go away Ron Paul”, so sad.


23 posted on 11/13/2012 5:01:06 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

I was just trying to be funny ...


24 posted on 11/13/2012 5:03:42 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

;-)


25 posted on 11/13/2012 5:06:07 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

I guess sometimes we just expect more from the people of KY than they will ever be able to deliver.


26 posted on 11/13/2012 5:08:34 PM PST by Theodore R. (Once again the American people have been found sorely wanting. I think it will continue.)
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To: katiedidit1

NUTS! I had three folks from MX that are legally here sign my petitions to fight illegal immigration plus many more from all over the bloody world! If it were not for IMMIGRANTS I would have had a labor shortage getting signatures during election. They are really pissed off! We found many libs are in agreement with E-Verify for city contracts and many red meat voters go for sanctuary city overthrow. Rand Paul is out of his friggin mind!


27 posted on 11/13/2012 5:35:00 PM PST by magna carta
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To: katiedidit1

So his plan is to reward those who cheated, and punish those following the rules.

Sounds about right.


28 posted on 11/13/2012 6:06:09 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

People will sell their souls for fame,fortune,and a freakin vote


29 posted on 11/13/2012 8:01:18 PM PST by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd ,you get no further than the crowd!")
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

Paul Ryan did nothing for the ticket in bringing out the grassroots right. I suspect a Romney-RandPaul ticket might have done better.


30 posted on 11/13/2012 8:03:54 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (campaigned for local conservatives only)
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To: Republican Wildcat

So his plan is to reward those who cheated, and punish those following the rules.

Who does he think these illegals are? Wall Street bankers?


31 posted on 11/13/2012 9:12:39 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: presently no screen name
So, IMO, it was all a big show to make sure the anti-American was elected! Prove me wrong.

No. Can. Do.

32 posted on 11/13/2012 9:24:35 PM PST by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

why do I have to follow the law?

Oh right - because I’m white.


33 posted on 11/14/2012 1:23:28 AM PST by Tzimisce (Will there be anything to fight for in 2016?)
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To: SatinDoll

Libertarians suck less, but they still suck.


34 posted on 11/14/2012 1:33:37 AM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

You know it’s over.

Actual conservatives don’t amount to a third of the Republican Party.

(However, Pro-War-on-Drugs is not conservative. It requires the New Deal Commerce Clause or an amendment at the federal level, neither of which respects original intent, state’s rights or personal liberty and responsibility.)


35 posted on 11/14/2012 6:18:45 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

If we’re going to take in unlimited numbers of Mexicans, then let’s get something for it and just march on Mexico City and take them all along with land and oil and they can just stay put.


36 posted on 11/14/2012 6:23:43 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

Rand is right. A pathway to citizenship is the only reasonable and moral course of action.


37 posted on 11/14/2012 11:35:14 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Comprehensive Immigration Reform NOW!)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

Rand is right. A pathway to citizenship is the only reasonable and moral course of action.


38 posted on 11/14/2012 11:35:39 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Comprehensive Immigration Reform NOW!)
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To: Tzimisce

Your attempt to turn this into a racial issue just shows your own bigotry.


39 posted on 11/14/2012 11:49:42 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Comprehensive Immigration Reform NOW!)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

I hope you’re kidding.


40 posted on 11/14/2012 12:06:34 PM PST by Sarabaracuda (Comprehensive Immigration Reform NOW!)
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To: Sarabaracuda

Illustrating absurdity with absurdity.
But in 1848 it was a possibility.


41 posted on 11/14/2012 1:11:32 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: Sarabaracuda

How about a pathway back to Mexico, along with anyone who doesn’t like it?
I don’t see ratifying a foreign invasion.


42 posted on 11/14/2012 1:15:40 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: Sarabaracuda; Tzimisce

“Your attempt to turn this into a racial issue just shows your own bigotry.”

Whenever the discussion is about how to get 40% of the Hispanic vote or 20% of the Black vote, it is already a racial issue. And if you only get 50% of the “White” vote, guess what, you have pandered your principles and still lost.

I suggest that a more productive approach would be what Democrats do, which is racist against Whites which they divide and conquer, in reverse and find a way to 70% or 80% of the White vote. Whites were still 72% of voters. 70% of 72% would have been 50.4% of the vote.

Then you send the illegals and their “legal” descendants back to Mexico and the rest of liberalism to Canada and get back to the business of business (”The business of America is business.” Calvin Coolidge) and ruling the world, whatever anybody else who is too stupid to think thinks.


43 posted on 11/14/2012 2:16:08 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: svcw
Yes, I am.

Sorry to hear that, but I will still defend you when the time comes.

44 posted on 11/14/2012 2:46:55 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, he should forget about pushing the drugs, the sodomy and the aliens.

I do not disagree.

45 posted on 11/14/2012 4:04:52 PM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: Sarabaracuda

Oh I’m sorry what the biggest crisis facing us right now according to our Congress?

High taxes?
Economic Collapse?
Rising inflation?
Iranian nukes?

Nope.
Amnesty for Illegals. :)


46 posted on 11/14/2012 8:35:01 PM PST by Tzimisce (Will there be anything to fight for in 2016?)
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To: Sarabaracuda

The immigration system we currently have is not functional. We do need continual immigrants entering our borders but there has to be a limit to what we can absorb. Our current problem is that it’s decided by neither the Mexican government or our government. There is a heck of a lot of room for improvement.


47 posted on 11/15/2012 6:54:29 AM PST by Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you.

Republican insiders are already bringing out the long knives on Rand Paul. They’ll ignore our disastrous fiscal mess (that they helped build) and focus on relatively minor things like pot decriminalization.


48 posted on 11/20/2012 4:03:27 PM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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