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Petraeus's infidelity was his own affair
The Guardian ^ | 11/34/2012 | Helen Croydon

Posted on 11/13/2012 5:49:34 PM PST by SeekAndFind

What business is it of any of us or his supervisors in Congress that David Petraeus had an affair?

The former general was forced to resign as director of the CIA after the FBI discovered that he had been romantically involved with his biographer Paula Broadwell for four years. Adultery may not be agreeable to many in our increasingly moralising climate, but we should leave judgment and punishment to those on whom his acts directly impact: his wife of 38 years and his family. His personal dalliances (or as he diplomatically called them in his apology, his "mistakes") are not a matter for public concern. His position was not to serve as a role model. His role as director of the CIA was to provide direction for collecting, evaluating and correlating national intelligence for the US. There is no prerequisite for a squeaky-clean lifestyle behind the public scenes.

Yes, he occupied a public post. But he has a right to a private life, private interests and private judgment calls. Yes, the affair came to light during an investigation by the FBI into a potential security breach, but the investigation concluded there was no breach and the "classified information" that Broadwell allegedly came into contact with is not thought to have come from Petraeus.

Sure, it wasn't wise of him to grant his paramour access to his personal Gmail account (apparently so they could send messages to each other). But this should be of no concern to us other than amusement at the results of his naive trust in his mistress. She went on to use it to send catty "back off" messages to another woman she suspected was a love rival. She should have known better. Drama is the last thing any high-profile married lover wants in his mistress.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: affair; cia; petraeus

1 posted on 11/13/2012 5:49:41 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Do we really need to explain how an affair is always an issue when it comes to national security and defense?

Are they really that dense?


2 posted on 11/13/2012 5:52:27 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Security 101: Don’t put yourself in a position to be blackmailed.

That’s why it matters.


3 posted on 11/13/2012 5:53:39 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Adultery may not be agreeable to many in our increasingly moralising climate....

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Huh? What an idiot!


4 posted on 11/13/2012 5:53:55 PM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: SeekAndFind; sickoflibs; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; randita; ...

The problem is that he did tell his paramour some things that were classified. The rules apply to military and intelligence officers not because their organizations are prudes, far from it, but because such affairs put them in compromising positions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfChsq_gBCA&feature=related


5 posted on 11/13/2012 5:56:30 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Muslims are a people of tolerance, life,and peace, and if you don't agree, they'll murder you)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ref. Article 134, Uniform Code of Military Justice:
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm1342.htm

He knew the rules and the expectations placed on him by the American people every time he put that uniform on, and yet he began his adultery before leaving the Army and now faces possible prosecution.


6 posted on 11/13/2012 5:56:34 PM PST by bigbob
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To: SeekAndFind
Director of the Central Intelligence Agency

Sexual affair with woman that sends threatening emails to friends of the family. Possible breach of US security. What did Petraeus tell her and what did she get out of him besides pleasure?

Obama government knew of affair but did nothing till after election.

Yep, it's the American citizens business.
7 posted on 11/13/2012 5:57:16 PM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: SeekAndFind

Circling the wagons around the loathsome antisemite, the Stalinists are...


8 posted on 11/13/2012 5:57:48 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: SeekAndFind

No it isn’t his business. First, if any of his subordinates were having affairs (yes, he was doinking her when he was a general), he would have hammered them under the UCMJ.

Then as General or CIA leader, he is exposed to blackmail. If my kid is applying to medical school “X”, and i happen to discover the admissions director is having a full-on affair, think after a little talk we my kid gets a rejection letter?

Last, he is a corrupt POS. When he and McChrystol removed hamburgers and pizza from the men on base camps he was spending the evenings with his fawning biographer “comfort woman”. Also, Petraeus HIMSELF put out the new rules forbidding fire support if there was ANY POSSIBILITY of a civilian being hurt. He condemned grunts to hunkering down under machine gun fire with no hope of help from air or Arty.

But he was back in the base, getting his attention from a woman.

He repeated this treachery against those SEALS in Libya.

THAT is why it’s the business of every grunt, and every American.


9 posted on 11/13/2012 5:59:44 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Jonty30

Are they really that dense?


Yup. They are. When someone has a job like Petraeus had, it’s definitely not just their private business.


10 posted on 11/13/2012 6:03:06 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: SeekAndFind

“Petraeus’s infidelity was his own affair”

Fair is fair.

We’ve been told so many times what Bill Clinton did in the privacy of his office was his business, after all....


11 posted on 11/13/2012 6:07:40 PM PST by llevrok (I haven't left America. It left me.)
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To: DesertRhino
..removed hamburgers and pizza from the men on base camps ..

tell me you're kidding.....please?

12 posted on 11/13/2012 6:16:20 PM PST by digger48
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To: SeekAndFind

Proverbs 7 is always good to read if one is thinking an affair would be a good thing:

21 With persuasive words she led him astray;
she seduced him with her smooth talk.
22 All at once he followed her
like an ox going to the slaughter,
like a deer[a] stepping into a noose[b]
23 till an arrow pierces his liver,
like a bird darting into a snare,
little knowing it will cost him his life.


13 posted on 11/13/2012 6:20:54 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: digger48

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/25/us-commander-afghanistan-bans-burger-pizza

nope, not kidding. Whatever anyone thinks of how much comfort from home soldiers should, or should not get at the rear base. It’s pretty clear that the Generals are not sharing the Spartan life they want to push onto the grunts.

McChrystol flying in his Gulfstream to Paris for fine dinners with NATO ambassadors. (Rolling Stone reporter in tow)
Petraeus getting an evening shoulder rub after an evening jog, and then gettin’ his chrome polished. (occasionally interruping the fellating long enough to deny fire support to some rifleman in a firefight)

Nobody expects a General to live like a PFC. But there are limits in the acceptable level of contrast if one wants to have the respect of the fighting men, and they have been exceeded.


14 posted on 11/13/2012 6:31:55 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh well, let’s ignore Benghazi. That’s the main thing they’re after, isn’t it?


15 posted on 11/13/2012 6:34:26 PM PST by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Hey Rush, you forgot to tell us when to panic.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

That whole chapter in Proverbs is GREAT; and will give one pause. - Also, Joseph RAN from the house where Potiphar’s wife was tempting him; he didn’t linger for a second.


16 posted on 11/13/2012 6:47:21 PM PST by Twinkie (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)
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To: Jonty30
Are they really that dense?

Yes they really are.
17 posted on 11/13/2012 6:49:34 PM PST by indthkr
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To: llevrok; SeekAndFind
We've been told so many times what Bill Clinton did in the privacy of his office was his business, after all....

There maybe some Freepers who remember a Charles Grodin. He had a talk show about 1994-1998. I remember him bringing up the scandal of President Clinton on his show. Then the man summoned up one of the most cynical sneers I ever seen. He then said "Lets move on".

Whether he started it or not I don't know. That became a watchword for the left and Democrat leaning press "-lets move on". I remember a comely English gal who drove the jeep for General Eisenhower in WW2. I will say no more about he and Kay Summersby. Still, he conquered the Axis forces though.

18 posted on 11/13/2012 6:51:28 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Twinkie
All of Proverbs is filled with immense wisdom. Human nature is precisely revealed all throughout

Always somewhat interesting when some in today's world insist that culture is somehow “different” now; we are wiser!

The part of the ox being led to slaughter is such a vivid picture of what adultery can lead to.
I have seen a ox being slaughtered; not a pretty picture to have in mind. A good warning.

19 posted on 11/13/2012 6:54:56 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I had a friend who had been recruited to work for the CIA. After the initial orientation DC, she had to undergo a lie detector test. Somehow it showed that she’d had an affair. She was then in her early 20s and very single. Nonetheless, that was the end of her CIA career. This was in the mid-60s when young ladies actually had a sense of shame for conducting an out-of-wedlock affair (quaint notion).


20 posted on 11/13/2012 6:57:51 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: SeekAndFind

Wasn’t Clinton being questioned about Chinese money donations, or something like that, when the Lewinsky scandal came out? The British paper responded with the same “silly Americans” attitude as well.This is a ruse, they know Americans will forgive an affair. You have to admit nobody is talking about the Americans who were tortured and killed in another 9/11 terrorist attack. Obama is touting his glorious foreign policy achievement again. They are very good at propaganda and deceit.


21 posted on 11/13/2012 7:01:34 PM PST by mgist
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To: Jonty30
Do we really need to explain how an affair is always an issue when it comes to national security and defense?

I understand what you're saying, and I completely agree.

However, having an affair is not the only event or time when an official in a high security position could be compromised.

People get married, and they could have long-lasting relationships where marriage is not the only bond between them.

So, let's say that, a couple breaks up, and it's not an amicable breakup, and the disgruntled partner knows of a lot of that "secret" information which, no one without a high-security clearance should have.

What then?
22 posted on 11/13/2012 7:06:28 PM PST by adorno
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To: SeekAndFind

the author is completely and totally wrong.

If the Secret Service and Chiefs of intelligence can be made to break their vows to their spouses, their oaths to their service and their moral obligations in the service, then they are subject to and risk being subverted by spies and blackmail.

It’s sad but, that’s the reality of it.

It would be fine if it never came out but, this administration was looking for a distraction and Patraeus’ dalliance provided it, making him a scapegoat for something he had nothing to do with.


23 posted on 11/13/2012 7:20:12 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SeekAndFind

What we’re all overlooking is that Petraeus’ affair is symbolic of a long-term decline in the moral character of leadership in America. 50 years ago, a four-star caught up in such a tawdry affair would be unthinkable. Maybe a civlian politician like JFK, but not a leader of men, a field-grade officer in charge of the nation’s most vital secrets.


24 posted on 11/13/2012 7:52:11 PM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: SeekAndFind
If he's disloyal to his own blood relations, he can be expected to be disloyal in other areas of life. For General P., he joined the Marxists in demanding America be placed under Sharia speech control laws. He was disloyal to the constitution when it was convenient to him just as he was to his wife.
25 posted on 11/13/2012 8:10:39 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: DesertRhino

And then there’s the image of America he gives to the Muslim world, if that matters.

He didn’t have a concubine for a mistress - he had someone else’s wife.

American wives are whores, and American men have no honor.


26 posted on 11/13/2012 8:16:03 PM PST by heartwood
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To: SeekAndFind

“What business is it of any of us or his supervisors in Congress that David Petraeus had an affair?”

That’s right...it is just a “bump” in the road. Let’s all move on until the next terrorist attack. (Or some hot Russian spy chick checks in at the Kremlin.)

What could possibly go wrong? bwahahahahaha!!


27 posted on 11/13/2012 8:30:50 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: Twinkie; HereInTheHeartland
That whole chapter in Proverbs is GREAT; and will give one pause. - Also, Joseph RAN from the house where Potiphar’s wife was tempting him; he didn’t linger for a second.

Immediately the story of David, Bathsheba and Uriah the Hittite, a valiant man of the army and her husband came to mind. David tried to cover up for committing adultery and conceiving a child with Bathsheba by calling Uriah her husband home from battle so that he would sleep with his wife, and then the child born would be thought to be his. The only problem with this plan was that Uriah wouldn't go along with going in unto his wife and sleeping with her while The ark, Israel and Judah abided in tents and his commander Joab and the other soldiers of Israel slept on the open ground. He is a striking contrast to the thinking of these leaders.

2Samuel 11:8 And David said to Uriah, Go down to thy house, and wash thy feet. And Uriah departed out of the king's house, and there followed him a mess [of meat] from the king.

11:9 But Uriah slept at the door of the king's house with all the servants of his lord, and went not down to his house.

11:10 And when they had told David, saying, Uriah went not down unto his house, David said unto Uriah, Camest thou not from [thy] journey? why [then] didst thou not go down unto thine house?

11:11 And Uriah said unto David, The ark, and Israel, and Judah, abide in tents; and my lord Joab, and the servants of my lord, are encamped in the open fields; shall I then go into mine house, to eat and to drink, and to lie with my wife? [as] thou livest, and [as] thy soul liveth, I will not do this thing.

28 posted on 11/13/2012 8:42:35 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: SeekAndFind

absurd


29 posted on 11/13/2012 8:44:37 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: lacrew
Security 101: Don’t put yourself in a position to be blackmailed.

Or murdered by the mob. Case in point: JFK nailing Marilyn Monroe and any other woman walking within 25 feet of him. How about blackmail opportunities by Monica against Clinton or Ike by his driver?

Get serious. Most men are involved in affairs (not me - ever - though) but only Republicans get into trouble.

30 posted on 11/14/2012 5:41:06 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: SeekAndFind

His first mistake was to work for the Comrade in Chief.


31 posted on 11/14/2012 5:47:29 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: heartwood

“And then there’s the image of America he gives to the Muslim world, if that matters.

He didn’t have a concubine for a mistress - he had someone else’s wife.

American wives are whores, and American men have no honor.”

BINGO! You win the door prize. And I’m equally, if not more concerned, about the image that the spread same-sex “marriage” within the Fruited Plain has on our image in the Muslim world. If that doesn’t paint a giant bulls-eye on our back, I don’t know what does.


32 posted on 11/14/2012 7:13:14 AM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: SeekAndFind

With apologies to the few good Brits still on the old sod, whenever I read amoral bs like this from the pos Brits, a couple of thoughts run through my mind.

1. My ancestors didn’t kill enough redcoats in our Revolutionary War and the War of 1812.

2. Maybe we rescued the gene pool of these ungrateful Brits too early in WWII.


33 posted on 11/14/2012 9:54:44 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Tagline space for rent to pay for some of my extra taxes the next 4 years!)
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To: Bellflower

Oh what a tangled web we weave, when once we practice to deceive. - King David committed adultery, then felt he had figured out the perfect plan to cover him for the pregnancy of his mistress; when his “plan” didn’t work, he felt he had to concoct a worse plan (the murder of an honorable man) to “fix” it. - I fear another David of our time is caught in a similar vise.


34 posted on 11/14/2012 10:24:46 AM PST by Twinkie (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The UK slut, who wrote this garbage, probably thinks that Clintoon was a great president and a great man!


35 posted on 11/14/2012 12:27:53 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Tagline space for rent to pay for some of my extra taxes the next 4 years!)
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