Skip to comments.DONíT BLAME SOCIAL ISSUES FOR ROMNEY LOSS
Posted on 11/13/2012 9:29:14 PM PST by neverdem
Republicans post-election loss ritual of scapegoating and finger pointing has begun, and, as is almost always the case, conservatism, and in particular values issues, is getting the bulk of the blame.
Republican elites will soon join liberal commentators in declaring that the party must moderate on social issues or risk consigning itself to permanent minority status. But while the GOP would benefit from a period of reflection and self-examination, and while the party does need to adjust how it communicates with voters on social issues, its core values cannot change.
It would be difficult to argue that November 6th was a good day for those of us who support traditional marriage. The voters of four states voted for same-sex marriage. But that doesnt mean the GOP should abandon its support of normal marriage.
In a national exit poll of 800 voters conducted on my behalf by the polling company, inc./WomanTrend, 8 percent of respondents said that the definition of marriage was their top issue, while another 20 percent called it one of their three top issues.
Interestingly, 44 percent of voters said they would be less likely to support a candidate who supports same-sex marriage (including 32 percent who said they would be much less likely), while 40 percent said theyd be more likely (including 21 percent who said they would be much more likely).
Other exit polls showed voters essentially tied on the question of whether same-sex marriage should be legal. That corresponds with most opinion polls. And remember, 38 states have voted to ban same-sex marriage, most via constitutional amendment, most recently in North Carolina in 2012. The truth is, America is still divided almost evenly on this question.
Then theres abortion. That the issue motivates voters continues to baffle professional pundits. In our poll, when asked how important abortion was to their vote, 13 percent of respondents said it was their top issue, while another 24 percent listed it as one of their top three issues.
The media consensus seems to be that the election was a vindication of the lefts attacks on Republicans so-called war on women. But the election wasnt a repudiation of the pro-life position, but rather a repudiation of conservatives who talk about abortion ineptly.
The view that all human life is sacred wasnt what made headlines during the campaign. It was stupid comments about legitimate rape and offensive references to a young abortion activist as a slut and a prostitute.
The relevant issuesforcing taxpayers to pay for abortions; Obamacares coercion of religious institutions into paying for abortion drugscould have been political winners for Romney and other Republicans, if they hadnt allowed the Democrats to frame any attempt to limit abortion as part of a broader war on women. But Romney chose to let the attacks go unanswered.
In a bit of good news for pro-lifers, a referendum to legalize assisted suicide lost in Massachusetts, and an abortion parental notification law passed overwhelmingly in Montana.
Even on the broader question of values, the conservative position prevailed. A clear majority, 58 percent, of exit poll voters said that the decline of American morality and values was a challenge for future generations. In an ABC exit poll, Romney beat Obama by 13 points among voters who prioritized a candidate who shares my values.
The upshot is that values issues still matter, and that they are a net positive for conservative candidates who can talk about them with precision and compassion.
Historically, Republican candidates win when they embrace conservative positions on social issues. And it could help them with the group of voters everyone believes the GOP needs to attract: Hispanics.
Hispanics make up growing share of the electorate (10 percent this year), and they vote overwhelming and increasingly for Democrats. But they are also more religious and more socially conservative than most Democrats. They should be a natural fit for the Republican Party.
An under-examined reason why Romney and other Republican candidates lost had to do with the three million white evangelical voters who cast a ballot in 2008 but didnt vote this year. In an election decided by fewer than three million votes, they would have been pivotal. And I think its safe to assume they didnt stay home because of Mitt Romney wasnt liberal enough on social issues.
Looking ahead, the Republican Partys strengths are its conservative House and its roster of up and coming conservative party leaders. Rep. Paul Ryan, Sen. Marco Rubio, Gov. Bobby Jindal, Gov. Scott Walker and Gov. Bob McDonnell, to name a few, are all across-the-board conservatives.
America remains a sharply divided nation. Obama received only 50 percent of the vote. Republicans retained control of the House and now control 30 governorships, the most since 2000. The Republican Party doesnt need candidates who will ignore values issues; they need candidates who can present their positions on those issues to voters in a reasonable, compassionate and straightforward way.
Who knows who voted or not? With the massive voter fraud even if Romney got every living evangelical soul the polls, the Democrat Revolutionaries would have manufacture 3 million votes above that total.
I don’t blame social issues, but I will give part, and only part, of the blame to certain candidates who are focused on social issues and who were clearly awful candidates.
There are good people out there who are:
A: correct on all or most of the issues, social included.
B: NOT part of the GOP establishment
C: have an IQ of over 80.
D: have ability, talent, some presence, and can articulate.
Sadly, too many jump on the bandwagon of candidates with only items and A and B. I suggest we also consdier items C and D. Funny, Bauer himself was one of the items A and B only kind of candidates....years ago....
Oh and same to you, you stay at home evangelicals.
Your temper tantrum has cost us the future of the United States of America.
HEY GARY! You are just as clueless as the RINO’s...Let’s talk sophisticated Voter Fraud...d’oh!
If it was matter of turn out, why did Romney win Indiana when Mourdock lost? why did Romney win Missouri when Akin lost especially considering that McCain lost both these states in 2008.
I’m skeptical of this rumor about 3mil evangelicals who supposedly stayed home. Are there any real numbers to back that claim?
Assuming this were actually true, I don’t see why the GOP needs to pander to these single-issue infantile voters next cycle. Considering the consequences at stake in this election, staying home was inexcusable.
But our side sold the “economy only stupid” idea
McCain lost in Indiana, not Missouri, IIRC.
Pander to us? take a hike RINO!!
And I voted for the sorry SOB!!
There you go again. The GOP did not, has not, and will not, pander to evangelicals. Romney stunk as a candidate and the liberals pegged him to the wall. Why is there not one word from the Romney camp about alllllll the vote fraud? How about all those machines calibrated to vote Obama when a Romney vote was cast. The so called Bible belt states voted overwhelmingly for Romney. You have been the one stuck on one single issue.
Massive huh? LOL As that July 2012 video you pinged me with proves?
Freepers.....This is a video well worth the time to watch!
6 posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:04:54 AM by wintertime
turn out in Ohio Counties at 139% Boston 135%, Philly at 145%?
Prove it to your self.
Considering Bauer doesn't provide a source, I think this qualifies, to use technical terminology, as a "Bald-Faced Lie."
Romney did better than McCain in the "Bible Belt" states.
Hey temper tantrum boy, Evangelicals voted for Romney by
How did your group vote?
You know that Evangelicals voted republican by 79%, something not even approached by any other category, and you know that the people that think like you voted in the almost equal percentage (tinier number of course)for Obama, so why are the Evangelicals the "infantile voters"?
call me old fashioned, but when we lost a football game we should of won, the fans and administration knew exactly who to blame: that would be the team and the coach.
well it seems to me that, romney was the “coach” and his campaign was the team. the score being total votes, romney would have lost to both obama and mccain in the last two presidential elections.
i think that puts the “blame” squarely where it belongs.
“But our side sold the economy only stupid idea”
Economy only but without the Obamacare part. Even fiscal cons were bummed by Romney.
“Assuming this were actually true, I dont see why the GOP needs to pander to these single-issue infantile voters next cycle. Considering the consequences at stake in this election, staying home was inexcusable.”
OK but don’t be surprised to end up with a Chris Christie or a Colin Powell.
To me that looks like there was actually decreased enthusiasm for Obama and mostly typical enthusiasm for the Republican and it also looks like radical conservatism was rejected in favor of more moderate views considering that Akin and Mourdock were both rejected in states that Romney carried.
I'm sure there were conservatives who didn't vote but to say that the election was lost because of them is pure horsesh*t. We lost because we were unable to tap into key demographic groups in swing states. We were unable to break the democratic coalition and the reason for that is pretty obvious, because a couple of nuts tainted the entire party and platform with their extreme nuttiness and drove independenta and moderates back into the arms of the Democrats.
these guys were so wrong and so destructive to our agenda that I am utterly convinced that they aren't even in favor of actually ending abortion. I think they were sabateurs and you'll never convince me otherwise because they couldn't have been more destructive to our cause if they had tried.
beats a barack obama with a senate majority.
Let me show you a little something about how the Republicans were overrun.
This site was set up in early 2010:
Not only did Ryan lose his home state, but Romney lost all of his home states.
Massive coordinated election fraud.
As far as Romney goes, are you really surprised he lost Michigan after his bailout remarks? and then of course there's Massachusetts. We managed to take Ted kennedy's seat from him and then lost it to a woman caught lieing about her Indian heritage. More squandered momentum.
It isn't just that we lost on social issues, we failed to break into any of the Democrat's key demographic groups in places where we needed to. we needed to break into the hispanics in Florida and probably virginia. We didn't. We needed to break into the female vote and the union vote in ohio. We didn't. I still contend that Donna Glisman was a better candidate that Josh Mandel because she would have given females in Ohio something to vote for besides the D. mandel was just one more mistake in a long line of GOP mistakes spanning from 2010 to 2012. we played a great game in the first half but we blew it in the second.
Radical conservatism? What part of the constitution do you wish to toss out?
"In the eyes of his shriller, more spittle-fueled adherents and apologists hereabouts, Mittens is much like a cow wandering placidly through the streets of downtown Cairo: immune to any/all criticism and/or impediment by divine principle, if not an object of abject veneration outright.
"The cow is holy. The cow is perfect. If the cow, for whatever reason(s) -- by whatever unguessable confluence of events, in the course of its dull, plodding amblings -- doesn't end up wherever the hell it was it wanted to go to in the first place: that's your fault, not the cow's."
The CINOs neither can nor will admit -- now or EVER -- that their rote, repeatedly failed p!ss-on-the-base-and-grovel-for-disaffected-liberals campaign strategy is what's genuinely at fault, Jim.
The cow is holy.
The cow is perfect.
Evangelicals did not sit out the election.
That union fight was heroic, and Romney didn’t belong in republican politics, and much less as the leader of the party.
Does this lead you to think that we ran a social conservative?
August 9, 2912 Mitt Romney, President Obama affirm support for gay Boy Scout leaders
August 27, 2012 CBS News Scott Pelley Interview, party platform & abortion
PELLEY: Well, the platform as written at this convention for the Republicans does not allow for exceptions on abortion with regard to the health of the mother or rape or incest. Is that where you are?
ROMNEY: No. My position has been clear throughout this campaign. Im in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother.
December 2011 On allowing gays to serve openly in the military:
Thats already occurred. Im not planning on reversing that at this stage.
Past Mitt on Abortion;
My position has been the same throughout my political career, and it goes back to the days of 1970, he said. There was a woman who was running for political office, U.S. Senate. She took a very bold and courageous stand in 1970, and that was in a conservative state. That was that a woman should have the right to make her own choice as to whether or not to have an abortion. Her name was Lenore Romney, she was my mom. Even though she lost, she established a record of courage in that regard.
Past Mitt on homosexual military;
For some voters it might be enough for me to simply match my opponents record in this area. But I believe we can and must do better. If we are to achieve the goals we share, we must make equality for gays and lesbians a mainstream concern. My opponent cannot do this. I can and will.
One issue I want to clarify concerns President Clintons dont ask, dont tell, dont pursue military policy. I believe that the Clinton compromise was a step in the right direction. I am also convinced that it is the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nations military. That goal will only be reached when preventing discrimination against gays and lesbians is a mainstream concern, which is a goal we share.
They were 26% of the 131M total in 2008, or 34M. McCain got 74%, or 25M. That means Obama got about 9M.
The final total is not in yet, but it is currently about 123M. Let's say that total ends up at 125M, which is probably on the conservative side. At 78% support, Romney would get about the same number of evangelical votes as McCain.
Using the 125M figure and 22% support, Obama would end up with about 7M.
So there's a couple of million evangelical voters who sat it out, but it cost Obama, not Romney.
We are now a 50-50 nation.
Yeah, that's a winning ticket.
Don’t call me a boy, mf’er. I am going by what bauer says.
If you don’t fix voter fraud issues, there will never be a fair election in this country in the future.
Obama kept using the word ‘fair’ in his campaigns, but his party is the one that cheated enough to ‘win’.
Is this country so poorly educated in simple mathematics that they cannot see the numbers??
Hey temper tantrum boy, Evangelicals voted for Romney by
How did your group vote?
Col West has opened the door.
We must fight election fraud.
It falls on We the People.
Silence is consent
Theres overwhelming evidence of fraud.- Here
SARAH PALIN speaks out on Twitter about massive Obama machine voter fraud:
>Sarah Palin News @SarahPalinLinks Between suppression of the military vote and voter fraud, Obama stole another election. http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46302 DEMAND A RECOUNT! #VoterFraud
>Sarah Palin News @SarahPalinLinks People need to stop pointing fingers within the GOP and investigate the Dems' massive voter fraud and suppression of the military vote.
MITT ROMNEY TWEETS ABOUT ELECTION FRAUD:
>MITT ROMNEY in 2012! @PlanetRomney #tcot The Competent Conservative: Elections Have Not Yet Been Certified, Heres What You Can Do:
>> These electi... http://bit.ly/Zzam8Y
Excerpt from Mitt Romney's reference:
These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it wont do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan: Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. See contact information below...
Read the rest- Here
The website,'Barack Obama Vote Fraud 2012' is keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:
Is There Enough Evidence of Voter Fraud To Merit a Recount? If you wish to add your voice, click here and sign the petition for a recount Here-
< Hannity and Col Allan West slam voter fraud Nov 12- Here
Photo of SOMALIANS brought to Ohio voting stations by busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket- Here
Must watch videos!
VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting- Here
VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers- Here
VIDEO- MICHAEL SAVAGE: How Obama fixed the 2012 election- Here
VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April- Here
VIDEO- Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud- Here
We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.
We must act NOW.
Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.
We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....
We are FReepers. We must fight!
Those who shrug and accept this atrocity without a fight are not worthy to be called Freepers!
Join us!! See thread, 'BARACK OBAMA FRAUD 2012- (MUST READ- MUST GO VIRAL!)' thread- Here
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