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Posted on 11/14/2012 12:22:24 PM PST by Kaslin
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Still waiting on your evidence.
Still waiting for you to answer the Gipper
Would you mind posting or linking what you want me to answer again?
Since you are not replying I'm going to assume you meant for me to explain rising federal revenue under President Reagan.
Since we are talking about income taxes we need to look at income tax revenue to the federal government. For reference I'm getting my data from this site.
In 1980 (numbers indicate millions) federal income tax receipts were $249. In 1988 federal income tax receipts were $413. That is an increase of 66%, not exactly a doubling of revenues.
Let's fast forward to Bill Clinton since he signed into law one of the biggest tax increases at that time. In 1992 federal income tax receipts were $476. When Clinton left office federal income tax receipts were $981. That was an increase of 113%, nearly double the increase of during Reagan's 8 year term.
Ok, income tax receipts did rise under Reagan, but was the cut to marginal income tax rates the cause? Highly doubtful. If you look at any 10 year period income tax revenue nearly doubles just through natural population changes and economic growth.
If you say you are for starving the federal beast and you believe lower income tax rates causes increased revenue shouldn't you logically be politicking to have rates increased in order to cause less revenue to go the federal government?
And as for tha Laffer Curve how do you know we are still on the right hand side of the top of the curve? If we were on the left hand side of the top would you advocate for higher marginal tax rates?
One last thing, if lower marginal rates leads to higher economic growth maybe you can look through this congressional Research Service report and address the fact that as income tax rates have been lowered the rate of GDP growth has gone down as well?
You sure say a lot of ifs, meaning you really don’t know squat about me whom you are so quick to condemn.
I am also concerned that you cite Bill Clinton, who rode a tech boom that was worldwide, not just a fluke of some supposedly marvelous American tax rate policy.
Hey HiTech . . . nice avoidance mechanism you have going on there. You haven’t dealth with the actual data at all and are just sticking to your talking points.
The facts, presented from a few different sources, are that there was no unprecedented increase in tax revenues under Reagan. If anything the growth in government revenue under Reagan was more anemic than in other comparable periods. But that shouldn’t be a problem because as a good conservative you should be applauding the slower growth in tax revenue instead of trying to proudly proclaim that tax revenues increased dramatically under Reagan.
Starve the Beast!(tm) amirite?
I laugh at how you assume.
Did I complain that you tried to use Reagan? Your point, that I have repeatedly refuted with hard facts, was that tax cuts increase tax revenues. No, they don't. They slow down revenue generation for the government as has been shown over and over again in this thread. Reagan cut taxes, Bill Clinton raised taxes and tax revenue grew more under Bill Clinton such that we were able for the first time in many decades run a surplus which George W. Bush promptly pissed away.
That’s fair since everyone else is laughing at how you avoid dealing with facts. :fistbump:
You think you can goose tax rates right up to 100% and keep getting your take to go up, up, up? That’s where you are headed, you leftist troll.
fistbump with whom but your own self? I see a definite paucity of your pals, you leftist troll.
Stop taking this personally. I haven't attacked you personally at all whereas the same can't be said of your posts to me. I've presented hard data. You've refused to engage that at all. That's cool and all but don't expect your handwringing to be taken seriously.
The facts don't agree with your narrative. It's up to you how you want to handle that.
If you think the facts I presented are incorrect than please post the facts you think are correct. And your continued assertions without evidence are not "facts".
Up your game buddy, I really want to have this discussion with you!
you make personal attacks and off topic mockings then say don’t take it personally...
yeah i got you tagged. you are a leftist troll. avaunt thee.
Umm... They earned a lot of money and became wealthy.
To a Socialist, that is wrong. No kidding. Wealth gained through business and capitalism is theft. "The Rich" got that way by stealing from and trampling on the Working Man.
It's pure Marxism, and he's running it right down the line.
Oddly enough, Marxists always seem to exempt rich leftists -- Democrats -- from their anger.
I never said anything setting the top tax rate to 100%. Now who's assuming who's positions? Your post ^^ is called a strawman. I understand why you'd want to create a strawman since that's a lot easier to knockdown.
Thats where you are headed, you leftist troll.
And now that you're done with the strawman you go for the ad hominem. I have pretty thick skin so it's ok HiTech, I still like you. :hug:
you ought to know about ad hominem, but the truth is that we do not suffer leftist trolls here gladly.
I don't think I have attacked you personally. But that's ok, I apologize if I did.
yeah i got you tagged. you are a leftist troll. avaunt thee.
You watch, in a few weeks we're going to be best internet buds even though we probably disagree about most political things. You aren't going to be able to help yourself. ;)
You're still dodging the issue about tax rates and revenue growth. Are you holding out hope that Admin Moderator will save you?
Here is your tax the rich or raise taxes explained.
Are you holding out the hope that you will troll me into an intemperate blast? I pity you.
12 years ago we had a surplus. I will trade you spending cuts back to Clinton levels, adjusted for inflation, for also going back to Clinton-era tax rates.
Nah, I'm just trying to get you to engage in the substance of the tax rate/revenue discussion.
But I really did mean it! I don't remember attacking you personally so if you can point out where I did I'll be happy to apologize for the specific posts.
Does your screen have more than one line in it?
Certainly if the golden goose happens to be ill from something other than just taxes, it can yield less on a sustained basis.
Why yes it does!
Well I’m guessing you are in the camp that thinks the gov won’t ask for more after they get what they want now. P.T. Barnum was correct.
Day by day they get closer to revealing the true core of belief.
About a hundred years ago Martins Latsis, the senior official in the CHEKA, (Extraordinary Commission, or the first Soviet political police) was also the theoretician of the Red Terror, stating that,
Bolsheviks “are not carrying out war against individuals. We are exterminating the bourgeoisie as a class. We are not looking for evidence or witnesses to reveal deeds or words against the Soviet power. The first question we ask is to what class does he belong, what are his origins, upbringing, education or profession? These questions define the fate of the accused. This is the essence of the Red Terror.”
Is that a yes?
Clinton didn't have to budget for the Cold War which ended before he took office, was the beneficiary of the tax revenue generated by the jobs created by the tech boom, and punted the WOT and its expense to the next administration.