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We’ll dilute our way out of it! (re GOP/Grover Norquist Plan to Grant Amnesty to Illegals)
Daily Caller ^ | Mickey Kaus

Posted on 11/14/2012 7:01:12 PM PST by Arthurio

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The Grover Plan: More Cowbell!

Posted By Mickey Kaus On 5:58 AM 11/13/2012 @ 5:58 AM In DC Exclusives,KausFiles | No Comments

We’ll dilute our way out of it! Republicans did poorly among Hispanics last week. How to address that problem? The answer, they’re told by Washington savants, is to back an immigration reform that … increases the number of Hispanics! It’s a plan so crazy it just might be crazy.

Joshua Culling, who works for Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, elaborates on the plan elsewhere on this site. It turns out the idea–let’s call it the Grover Plan, just to be annoying–isn’t as wacky as I you might think. It’s wackier.

Suppose Republicans conspire with Dems to bring amnesty to the 10 or 11 million unauthorized immigrants who are already here. Eventually they become citizens. Will they be ready to wipe the slate clean and vote Republican? Or will the Dems figure out new ways to gin up their ethnic base at election time? Cullings denies they’ll be able to do that–at least by “promising direct subsidies to immigrants or an expanded welfare state:”

[A] bloated welfare system is vastly unpopular, especially among America’s native-born population. And the makeup of the electorate suggests that any party that tries to attract immigrant support by offering immigrants direct subsidies will lose more votes than it will gain. It makes zero political sense to gain one Hispanic vote at the expense of three votes from other groups.

I’m not so sure Dems can’t offer some benefits–e.g. Obamacare–to immigrants in ways Republicans may balk at (with the contrast communicated to Latinos below the radar, through Spanish-language media, as happened this year). But let’s put the welfare state aside. Here in California Dems have proven themselves experts at ginning up other kinds of ethnic grievances that result in Latinos feeling “disrespected” by Republicans. There is, for example, the ongoing debate over bilingualism–a debate in which Univision and Spanish language radio, which would go broke if everyone spoke English, are reliable allies. It’s easy to see another “disrespecting” controversy over dual voting–should Mexican immigrants vote in their home country and exercise other perks of twin … see, if you even say “twin loyalties” you’ve created enough of an issue.

Republican attempts to suppress minority votes have been inspiring African American turnout for half a century. Why can’t they inspire Latino turnout too? And don’t many Republicans want to eliminate race preferences? If Dems can’t bill that as a war on the brown man–at a time when Latinos are underepresented in x or y profession, etc.–they’re less competent than they’ve proven to be lately. Finally, even after an amnesty there’ll be another surefire issue, namely the next amnesty, for those who came into the country illegally after the cutoff date. I’m sure I’ve forgotten some potential grievances.

Ethnic grievances can sting for a long time if they are constantly refreshed. Cullings seems to believe that, anyway, which is why (after denying Dems will be able to keep ethnic resentment alive) he more or less abandons any hope that the GOP can win over current Hispanic voters. Amazingly, he also gives up on winning over the 10-11 million new amnesty recipients Republicans will be empowering:

Future immigrants will be more open to the Republican Party because, unlike many immigrants who are already here, they won’t have been harmed or insulted by Republican politicians. [E.A.]

So we’ve got 10% of the electorate that is Latino and hates the GOP for harming and insulting them. And we’ve got 10 million additional formerly illegal immigrants on the path to citizenship and voting who will hate Republicans for harming and insulting them. How is the GOP going to overcome those numbers? More immigants!

In the 1920s and 1930s, about a million people of Mexican heritage (including U.S. citizens) were deported from the U.S. Those who were left behind resented the U.S. government quite a bit. When their descendants tried to organize civil rights and left-wing movements in the 1960s to redress their grievances and vent their anger at their historically poor treatment, they had almost no success with Mexican immigrants who had come during the 1940s and later. The later immigrants didn’t care because they weren’t related to the people harmed.

By increasing legal immigration, Republicans will dilute the level of anti-Republican resentment among the immigrant community and its descendants so long as the Republican Party embraces the new immigrants as Americans. [E.A.]

Got that? The Grover plan is not to win over today’s anti-GOP Hispanic voting bloc. The plan is not to win over the millions of Hispanic amnesty recipients. The plan is to “dilute” them by increasing new legal immigration of people who are now living abroad (and presumably shepherding them into the electorate at record speed). But if that’s the solution, why not just increase legal immigration without giving yourself an extra 10 million permanently disrespected voters to “dilute”? And what if these new immigrants are Latino and Asian and for some bizarre reason, are just as Democratic as current Latino and Asian voters?

Maybe the Democrats who are currently cheering the Grover Plan know something. (Or are they suicidal?)

There may be credible arguments for amnesty as a policy–if you are a certain kind of Republican, you would like a nation open to the ambitious from all over the globe. You are not troubled if this leads to a society that looks like Rio de Janeiro writ large, with declining living standards for unskilled workers who are forced to compete with all the world’s poor. Such societies can be dynamic. Republicans, after all, don’t worry so much about inequality, or servility (when the poor are happy to take jobs servicing over the rich). It will be easier to find good help. And the overall GDP will go up. I disagree with this policy, obviously. But it’s an argument we could have.

The argument Culling is making, though, isn’t that amnesty followed by greatly expanded immigration is the best thing for America. It’s that amnesty followed by greatly expanded immigration is the best way to elect Republicans. That’s the part that seems insane.


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KEYWORDS: amnesty; groverplan; idiocy; lunacy; shamnesty

1 posted on 11/14/2012 7:01:20 PM PST by Arthurio
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To: Arthurio

It’s beyond insane! These people are nutz!!


2 posted on 11/14/2012 7:05:48 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes, they are.

Their moderates lose, they blame conservatives and decide they need to more “moderate”.

It is indeed insane.


3 posted on 11/14/2012 7:07:54 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Jim Robinson

Grover is an islamist, ask his squeeze.


4 posted on 11/14/2012 7:08:47 PM PST by acapesket
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To: Arthurio
This is the wrong message for our future as a nation.

Bad bad move.

Illegal means just that!

Next, more will pour in..the borders should be closed first.

5 posted on 11/14/2012 7:08:55 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt.)
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To: Arthurio

Okay...is it time to order the Spanish Rosetta Stone program yet???? Or maybe they have a special muslim slimhood version...it costs more than an arm and a leg....costs you your head.


6 posted on 11/14/2012 7:10:42 PM PST by IrishPennant (Dr Erkel and Mr. Jive...lurking the streets of DC)
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To: Arthurio

Another clown who needs to exit stage left.


7 posted on 11/14/2012 7:11:12 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Christie at the beach

Illegals are nothing but government growth hormones.


8 posted on 11/14/2012 7:29:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Arthurio

Deluge your representatives with NO!


9 posted on 11/14/2012 7:36:11 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes, they are indeed insane.... the takers have outnumbered the makers and we are destined to watch the decline for years to come.... I proposed the conservatives get strongly behind FREE Contraception and/or optional sterilization. Pass legislation that provides for incrementally less governemental assistance for each child. Then encourage the true conservatives who understand what we are up against to procreate...procreate...procreate..... I volunteer to do my part !! With successful conservative inbreeding and proper offspring education we will eventually outnumber them and use the ballot box to return the country to it’s true original constitutional roots. We may not succeed, but trying might help resovle these post-election blues !!!


10 posted on 11/14/2012 7:45:12 PM PST by Froggie
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To: GeronL

“Their moderates lose, they blame conservatives and decide they need to more “moderate”.

It is indeed insane.”

It is not insane. It is working as intended. The Geriatric Old Plotters are statists, elitists, and transnationalists. They are getting everything they want. The GOP is to conservatives what Vidkun Quisling was to Norwegian national defense.


11 posted on 11/14/2012 8:02:08 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Arthurio

Well I went to The Daily Caller and this story is not there over!!!


12 posted on 11/14/2012 8:16:27 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: Arthurio

Well Mr. Franklin, it looks like we’ve just about screwed the pooch on that whole “keeping the Republic” thing.


13 posted on 11/14/2012 8:39:58 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Arthurio

No worries, there’s plenty of jobs to go around. Equal protection for all, especially those who are more equal than others.


14 posted on 11/14/2012 9:08:00 PM PST by wrencher
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To: Jim Robinson
"Sure, going full-bore CINO ended up losing us the second-most winnable presidential election in modern U.S. history, in '08; and then losing us the MOST-winnable presidential election in modern U.S. history a scant four years later, in '12... but IT'LL WORK LIKE A FREAKING CHARM THE THIRD CONSECUTIVE TIME, FOR SURE -- !!!"

The GOP-e (and their unblinking, fanatical apologists and adherents, hereabouts) have well and truly lost their teeny-tiny minds, Jim. No other conceivable explanation for it.

15 posted on 11/14/2012 9:35:15 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: Arthurio

Pretty complete dossier on Grover Norquist at

http://www.newswithviews.com/Nelson/kelleigh152.htm which includes this quote from Carroll Quigley:

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.”

From the author’s bio at the bottom:

Born and raised in Chicago, Illinois, she was a Goldwater girl with high school classmate, Hillary Rodham, in Park Ridge, Illinois.

That which you might find interesting is mostly in the links.


16 posted on 11/14/2012 9:45:27 PM PST by MurrietaMadman
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To: GeronL
Their moderates lose, they blame conservatives and decide they need to more “moderate”.

It is indeed insane.

The maladroits of Team Mittens -- both online shills and campaign (*cough*cough*)"professionals" -- spent the entire first half of the campaign (when virtually every legitimate polling outfit showed them trailing Obama... badly) incessantly chittering and shrilling: "Don't Believe The Polls! DON'T BELIEVE THE EVIL, EVIL POLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSS --!!!"

When the continual cascade of Very Bad, No Good Polling Data continued unabated regardless, said maladroits -- rather than dealing forthrightly with the increasingly dire reality of their candidate's situation -- actively CHOSE to relocate, en masse, to a happy, magical land of talking bunny make-believe. (E.g. "unskewedpolls.com"; "Lunch Alerts!" featuring bucktoothed wish-casting from Dick Morris; etc., etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum.)

Never, ever again will you (or I) live to witness such a perfect storm of mulish, blinkered GOP-e electoral incompetence and insanity as we've been treated to, these past twelve months or so.

God willing.

17 posted on 11/14/2012 11:38:08 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

bump!!


18 posted on 11/14/2012 11:55:57 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Arthurio

Hmmm. Importing democrats to grow the gop. Gee, that’s gonna work out well.


19 posted on 11/15/2012 3:18:41 AM PST by RKBA Democrat
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To: Arthurio
I’m not so sure Dems can’t offer some benefits–e.g. Obamacare–to immigrants in ways Republicans may balk at (with the contrast communicated to Latinos below the radar, through Spanish-language media, as happened this year). But let’s put the welfare state aside. Here in California Dems have proven themselves experts at ginning up other kinds of ethnic grievances that result in Latinos feeling “disrespected” by Republicans. There is, for example, the ongoing debate over bilingualism–a debate in which Univision and Spanish language radio, which would go broke if everyone spoke English, are reliable allies. It’s easy to see another “disrespecting” controversy over dual voting–should Mexican immigrants vote in their home country and exercise other perks of twin … see, if you even say “twin loyalties” you’ve created enough of an issue.

When the disrespect issue came up where I work I told the Hispanics, "I and other American Citizens are the ones being disrespected. We and our forefathers built this country into a place you wanted to come to. You and your forefathers turned your countries into cesspools where over half the people want to leave. It is for the American people to allow whom THEY please into THEIR county, just as it is for the citizens of other countries. You bypassed about thirty Spanish speaking countries, where you could have blended in with no problem, instead, you come to one of what, two English speaking countries in the Western Hemisphere and expect us to learn your language. YOU have disrespected US by coming here WITHOUT OUR permission using OUR streets, schools, hospitals... that WE built, then YOU have the NERVE to tell US we're wrong! Tell US were not treating YOU fairly!" I love to argue with them. They're so ignorant because they've been lied too, and have lied to themselves, for so long they don't know what to say. They know I'm right, and when I've asked them, "After what I've just told you, wouldn't you be pissed at people coming here illegally too?" They've said, "Yes."

Illegal immigrants have been convinced they have the moral high ground on this issue but they don't. We, and our progeny are being harmed by them. Our birthright is being destroyed by them. The overcrowding in the schools, hospitals going bankrupt, cities going bankrupt... most of this is due to illegal immigrants and their American born children.

No amnesty! If, this great country turns into a third world cesspool, it will be without my consent. No More Mr. Nice Guy.

20 posted on 11/15/2012 5:44:18 AM PST by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: Arthurio

If you think that 10 or 11 million illegals is a dilution, Think about this:

In the 60’s & 70’s, the number of illegals was pegged at 20 million. That number certainly has not gone down....more & more people have crossed illegally into this country and they have been breeding like rabbits.

There are more likely 50-60 million illegals here in America.

The dilution this authore refers to would be adding 1 illegal to every 5 people who belong here.


21 posted on 11/15/2012 8:52:11 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Arthurio
Like someone else said, in order to have a prayer of gaining a benefit from normalizing the 15-20 million illegals in this nation, not only will the GOP have to give up its position on law & order in our immigration policies.

It will have to give up its position on smaller government & fewer entitlements, also. How can we expect 20 million dirt poor illiterate new residents to vote GOP if the GOP stands against entitlements?

In other words, it will have to adapt the democrat domestic policy almost in whole.

The only reason I say almost is they would be able to keep their social conservative positions because hispanics are purportedly social conservatives.

But the GOPe is busy shedding those troublesome principles, as well, because the fiscal conservatives don't like them.

The party really has lost its way.

22 posted on 11/15/2012 11:10:51 AM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter

Don’t worry.

The Democrats will counter by going even further Left. Before long, there will be calls to seize all the land and means of production by the Democrats in order to better “distribute” wealth, ensure “equality” of outcome,” and to “protect the environment.”

And the ‘Pubbies policy positions will be the “same but less.”


23 posted on 11/15/2012 11:43:41 AM PST by Little Ray (I have VOTED AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Little Ray
No doubt, and on top of that most of those assets will be distributed about the upper crust in the democrat party ranks, while the sheep get a few crumbs. Its what 'lutten' is all about. The looter gets first dibs.
24 posted on 11/15/2012 6:18:32 PM PST by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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