Skip to comments.Final speech from Cong. Ron Paul from floor of the House of Reps
Posted on 11/14/2012 7:38:48 PM PST by GlockThe Vote
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The (ultimately) more serious and long-term source of Republican party rot, on the other hand -- that of the GOP-e's every last baseline electoral assumption being not just wildly ineffectual, but suicidal, outright -- not so very much, in comparison.
If the GOP-e can't even competently champion and promote candidates capable of not causing a significant portion of the conservative voting base from turning away with a barely-repressed shudder, at barest minimum: the 'Rats won't ever NEED to cheat, from this point forward.
But the GOP-e and Romney in particular have not even mentioned it. They are the ones with the money and the clout to investigate it.
The (ultimately) more serious and long-term source of Republican party rot, on the other hand -- that of the GOP-e's every last baseline electoral assumption being not just wildly ineffectual, but suicidal, outright -- not so very much, in comparison. If the GOP-e can't even competently champion and promote candidates capable of not causing a significant portion of the conservative voting base from turning away with a barely-repressed shudder, at barest minimum: the 'Rats won't ever NEED to cheat, from this point forward.
I cannot disagree with you at all on these fine points.
I cannot disagree with you at all on these fine points.
Either through a rebuilt-from-the-ground-up GOP, or else (my own personal preference) a new, more principled political party: we conservatives will fix things, ultimately. ;)
Elanor, is that you?
Are you kidding me? 99% of the republican party are not and do not know what conservatism is. I would go as far to say that most Freepers dont even know what conservatism is. As a libertarian, Ron Paul is more conservative than any Republican currently in government.
hopefully he was playing the venue with his remarks, and is going to double down on his assaults on the establishment...
MJ laws ??? HA !!! Ky could make bank in hemp, much less disband 3/4 of leos that are dedicated to the wo[some]d...
foreign policy ??? well being the police force of the world hasnt worked out too well so far...arguments can be made pro/con, but on the whole, we seem to simply accumulate casualties w/o an undeniable *victory* since everytime we leave a sh!thole, the septic waters rise back up...
immigration ??? well as an "L" guy, i dont know how he sees it, except that those legal methods should be encouraged while denying the third world drones from setting up house, and votes, and turning us into their home countries...we'll hafta wait and see i reckon, whether he gets on the mexican republican bandwagon...
Thanks for trying. I got about three fourths through before my eyes said, enough.
I found the statement used to describe Ron’s influence in the congress to be most enlightening. That statement short as it is does describe what he says is his legacy. “Four hundred thirty five, to Ron Paul”.
The "conservative voting base" had it's shot in the primary with FOUR YEARS to find an alternative. Romney won. Some of those "conservatives" refused to vote Romney because he was a Mormon. Don't pretend otherwise; you can read their posts here on FR.
If four more years of Obama was not enough motivation for these so-called "conservatives" to cast a vote, make calls, get like-minded individuals to the polls, then they are unworthy cowards more concerned with purity than getting things done.
They should be continue to be marginalized further and further because they've made it clear no effort to appeal to them will be sufficient even in the face of something as grave as Obama having a second term for his "fundamental transformation" agenda.
Too bad freepers have no clue what a “true conservative” is either.
I love Dr Paul. But a false choice is presented here:
Trust Yourself or Trust In Government?
The answer is: "In God We Trust". What does that mean? Self-governance is impossible unless God rules us through His Word informing our conscience. Liberty is the fruit of self-governance but our nation is leaking self-governance like a sieve.
1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Here are a few:
Tragically our government engages in preemptive war, otherwise known as aggression, with no complaints from the American people.
I doubt that Ron Paul can name one war in America's history that has been conducted without complaints from the American people. This is a typical statement of hyperbole from him.
Why cant people understand that war always destroys wealth and liberty?
This is similar to the statement that "violence never solves anything," and it is just as wrong. In modern times, most implementation of war creates liberty, especially for those who are freed from tyranny.
Ron Paul makes a lot of sense most of the time, and like most conservatives, I agree with 90% of what he says. But then he makes statements like this one and we all roll our eyes:
What a wonderful world it would be if everyone accepted the simple moral premise of rejecting all acts of aggression.
Apparently he thinks that America should withdraw our troops from every corner of the globe, and things will be fine. We can sit behind our own borders and watch the rest of the world burn. We can forsake our friends, abandon our allies, and become mere observers as the planet degenerates into chaos. What Ron Paul fails to consider, over and over, is that not everyone is ready to reject acts of aggression. There are people in this world whose mentality and morality is still stuck in the 7th century AD. They are willing to employ rape and murder and decapitation to forward their agenda of enrichment or religious fascism or political superiority. For those reasons, modern countries need to maintain a defensive military capability. And when Saddam Hussein invades Kuwait or the Taliban attacks the World Trade Center, the civilized nations of the world need to bring their troops together and put an end to it. And that's exactly what happened.
It is impossible to reason with someone who is unreasonable. If a rabid dog is biting people, you don't run inside and shut the door, hoping he will bite everyone else but not you. You and your neighbors draw your weapons and you put him down, to protect yourselves and your families. Maybe someday there will be no rabies and all dogs will be friendly. But today is not that day.
Good luck in your retirement, Dr. Paul.
Well, you've absolutely convinced me.
Seriously. I mean it. Solemn pinky swear.
It's simply a straightforward, logistical matter of making those stinking, worthless dogs eat the @#$%ing dog food we deign to jam down their ungrateful neck holes, is all.
I'll just sit here, in this nice shady spot, and watch. You've obviously got this whole thing covered.
I see no possible way your cunning and brilliant master plan could conceivably go wrong, a third consecutive time. Truly.
Enjoy Hillary, come 2016.
read this and weep......
Trey Grayson turned out to be a traitor (as many suspected cause “used to” be a democrat) so Palin made the right choice in that race.
I put little faith in Rand though.
When Saddam invades Kuwait? Are u @$@#%@# kidding me?! Why should we care about Iraq and Kuwaiti problems? Because the terrorist Saudi people tell us to?! To be completely honest, Kuwait deserved what Saddam gave them in 1990, because they were exploying economic warfare and costing Iraq billions by overproducing above their oil production quota driving prices down. This is besides the fact that they were slant drilling into iraqi oil fields.
How pathetic that you think it is our duty to go save those terrorists from each other..
The you bring up the Taliban, we were like one of 3 countries that saw them as a legitamate regime in Afghanistan, secondly the Taliban didnt attack the world trade center, Bin Laden did genius and he belongs to Al qaeda. Ieven remember the Taliban saying that they just wanted evidence that Bin laden perpetrated the attacks and they would hand him over butwe just dove right in. In hindsight it probably would have been better to have them hand him over and quickly deal with him as opposed to him being a symbol against us for 10 years and allowing all sorts of extremists growing up to support him.
Your analogy about the biting dog is flawed. He never said he would not respond to an attack, such as a dog bite. He said he wouldnt respond to a dog barking, at least not militarily. Should the dog show signs he will bite or does bite, thats a whole other issue. However the dog wont bite or bark if we arent trying to run the world. Idont see people saying death to sweden daily in the middle east.
As far as im concerned they can deal with their own problems and we should stay out of it, and should they ever attack us we should crush them and not try to nation build. Intelligence agencies can do much more than military presence to stop individuals from carrying out their terrorist dreams.
Nicely done, thank you.