Skip to comments.Republicans say they will not back down (Boehner hangs tough)
Posted on 11/14/2012 8:34:52 PM PST by tobyhill
Congressional leaders took a hard line on taxes ahead of a meeting Friday at the White House, with rank-and-file Republicans expressing opposition to a fiscal cliff deal that would bring in more revenue to the government.
House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has said Republicans could accept new revenues, but not tax-rate hikes, as part of a broad deficit deal, but President Obama and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said it was unlikely that eliminating loopholes and capping deductions could raise enough revenue to gain their support.
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Maybe they should just save us the drama and eventual humiliation when they cave in two months, and just cave in now and get it over with.
Its like when your local government claims they will keep property tax rates from going up...but then increase assessments so you wind up with a tax increase while they can claim they held rates in check.
Boner hangs tough until Barry rubs some man-tan on him.
President Obama and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said it was unlikely that eliminating loopholes and capping deductions could raise enough revenue to gain their support.
This just tells us they are ONLY interested in THEIR
solution, not solving the problem.
“...but President Obama and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said it was unlikely that eliminating loopholes and capping deductions could raise enough revenue to gain their support”
This is complete and utter horsecrap! They aren’t interested in raising revenue! They want to raise taxes just to PUNISH people! The Dem party’s whole tax philosophy is “Let’s Get ‘Em!” It’s torches and pitchforks!
“Republicans say they will not back down”
The Republicans will back down.
What bunch of crap. Bonehead doesn’t know what the word tough means.
Crybaby will act like he is holding out until the GOPe gets some little crumb they want and then it will be business as usual. Meaning, screw Americans.
I think the Republicans should cave and let the Democrats choke on the results over the next year.
Of all the issues facing the country, I don’t understand why Republicans are drawing the line on tax increases. They would pass amnesty in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it, and they have no apparent desire to stand firm on any of the social issues. Yet, they’re ready to fall on their swords to stop tax increases. Why is the Republican Party spineless on everything but taxes, especially when they can’t or won’t reform government spending in any significant way and cave on the debt limit?
These people are impossible to please. Boehner does the wrong thing, and they crucify him. He doe the right thing, and they react the same. I would never predict that Boehner will ultimately be heroic, but as long as he’s hanging tough, we need to support that. People do wise up and improve sometimes.
Except some freepers of course. They were apparenlty always perfect.
Because the party is run by the Rockefeller/Romney wing who agree with the Democrats on social and cultural issues. They’re the same liberals but they’re run by a different set of wealthy donors who insist they keep taxes low.
It seems no one has much faith in him. Anyone want to make a prediction on the date that he finally caves in?
if nothing is done taxes will be going up on everyone who pays them on Jan 1.
Right now he’s hanging tough but I understand the probability that he eventually caves.
You will enjoy the moment when Boehner caves.
And you call Boehner a traitor to the cause?
Surely Republicans can find someone far better than the sissy Boehner, his guy killed the tea party enthusiasm of 2010 with his guless leadership.
Sure, if and when he caves.
I'd hate to have those guys (who are doing a real number on Obama vis a vis Bengahzi) give ME their steely-eye.....I'd cave in a freeper minute!
I know people in a small midwestern town and they are importing foreigners to work in the factories there. It is VERY cheap labor for the factory owners. But the taxpayer picks up the tab for all the extended family that immediately goes on welfare, drags down the school system, and floods the small hospital ER with uninsured deadbeats who use it for primary care.
Don’t know for sure, but I’m assuming the factory owners are Republicans. At any rate, this is the type of crony capitalism that panders to the rich and the poor and squeezes the middle class. The rich profit. The poor get their freebies. The middle class pays for all of it.
That’s why the Republican Party caves on nearly everything. That, and the fact that they are only interested in preserving their power and good ol’ boy high-paying do-nothing jobs.
New revenues = VAT.
Mister Boehner has absolutely no gift for bargaining, and no sense of the consequences of serious errors. Any casino would just LOVE to see Mister Boehner walk through their door.
*I say "mister" as opposed to "Speaker of the House", because SOH is so far above his abilities.
(Full disclosure, I liked this post fro a previous thread so much that I re-cycled it.)
fro = from
I think Republicans should oppose every single thing the Democrats try to do. Obama will just enact it anyway via executive order.
I think you’re right. The GOP sells out social conservatives every chance they get. For example, you know they’ve wanted an immigration amnesty for years. They’re not even all that fiscally conservative. Standing firm on tax increases while doing absolutely nothing to reform spending or slow the accumulation of debt is NOT fiscal conservatism.
You will enjoy it if Boehner caves.
That tells me all I need to know about your sham patriotism.
That concept would be utterly unknown to tobyhill.
He never refrains from a chance to drum up discontent here on FR.
Hang tough, Boehner, or we’ll hang ya (not literally)!!
A possible type of response Republicans can make to President regarding raising taxes on the rich:
“We want to do anything and everything possible to solve the problems of this country. Show us how your proposed tax hikes on the rich will really fix our economic problems. If you can do this with real numbers, we will agree. However, we are not here to target one section of the population and simply raise their taxes to get revenge on them or out of envy.
This was a gimmick Perry used in his re-election campaign. He was going to cut property taxes and even told what the average person would save. The local assessor here in Houston contacted Perry’s people and told them the figures didn’t add up but they kept running with it. All that ended up happening was the appraisals went up.
Had he done better in the primaries you can bet this is one thing that would have come up.
Exactly. I don’t believe these Republican whimps for a second. Boenneeer, or however it is spelled, is correctly spelled limp-livered whimp. This gutless guy has to go. But who will take his place? We need a firebrand unafraid to fold over anything. I do not see anyone in the party who qualifies.
>> Boehner hangs tough
That doesn’t make any sense.
Pubbies are hell bent on raising taxes (eliminating loopholes) which is the same as raising taxes.
Why don’t they just forbid businesses from deducting Cost of Goods Sold (major loophole). Everyone could go broke that way and quick.
Where does it say the government gets to tax everything anyway? I thought we got to pick what is taxed and what is not?
I dunno guys. The way politics works these days...
I wonder if those that say just give the dems what they want and step back and make them own it.
The alternative may be a House revolt, government shut down, we get blamed and lose the house and they get what they want anyway.
I don’t envy Boehner or the House leadership one bit.
“Where does it say the government gets yo tax everything anyway”
It doesn’t. Constitutionally speaking the feds are empowered to collect taxes (left undefined as such), duties, imposts, and excises. Indirect taxes have to be uniform, and direct taxes aside from the income tax are illegal unless apportioned among the states according to population. They are not allowed to tax exports.
That’s about the extent of it.
First the Spending Cuts, then we talk about taxes.
Why do I think Reid and obammy are pitching and Boehner is catching in this little affair?
Dems are bleating loudly on this because they know they are vulnerable. I agree with the earlier post... Make the Bush tax cuts permanent (make the Dems shoot it down), allow sequestration, and refuse any debt ceiling increase. Play Hard Ball.
Boehner always "hangs tough" early in the negotiations, but does he get going when the going gets tough?
Bohner “hangs” tough. Te-he Te-he.....
WeepyBoner will hang tough??
Now pull the other one.