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Republicans say they will not back down (Boehner hangs tough)
the hill ^ | 11/14/2012 | By Russell Berman

Posted on 11/14/2012 8:34:52 PM PST by tobyhill

Congressional leaders took a hard line on taxes ahead of a meeting Friday at the White House, with rank-and-file Republicans expressing opposition to a “fiscal cliff” deal that would bring in more revenue to the government.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has said Republicans could accept new revenues, but not tax-rate hikes, as part of a broad deficit deal, but President Obama and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said it was unlikely that eliminating loopholes and capping deductions could raise enough revenue to gain their support.

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To: tobyhill

>> Boehner hangs tough

That doesn’t make any sense.


41 posted on 11/14/2012 10:32:19 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: CitizenUSA

Pubbies are hell bent on raising taxes (eliminating loopholes) which is the same as raising taxes.

Why don’t they just forbid businesses from deducting Cost of Goods Sold (major loophole). Everyone could go broke that way and quick.

Where does it say the government gets to tax everything anyway? I thought we got to pick what is taxed and what is not?


42 posted on 11/14/2012 11:10:12 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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I dunno guys. The way politics works these days...

I wonder if those that say just give the dems what they want and step back and make them own it.

The alternative may be a House revolt, government shut down, we get blamed and lose the house and they get what they want anyway.

I don’t envy Boehner or the House leadership one bit.


43 posted on 11/14/2012 11:55:59 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

“Where does it say the government gets yo tax everything anyway”

It doesn’t. Constitutionally speaking the feds are empowered to collect taxes (left undefined as such), duties, imposts, and excises. Indirect taxes have to be uniform, and direct taxes aside from the income tax are illegal unless apportioned among the states according to population. They are not allowed to tax exports.

That’s about the extent of it.


44 posted on 11/15/2012 2:02:37 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: tobyhill

First the Spending Cuts, then we talk about taxes.


45 posted on 11/15/2012 2:48:41 AM PST by eCSMaster (2012 elections: American Coup d'etat!)
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To: tobyhill

Why do I think Reid and obammy are pitching and Boehner is catching in this little affair?


46 posted on 11/15/2012 3:10:39 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: eCSMaster

Dems are bleating loudly on this because they know they are vulnerable. I agree with the earlier post... Make the Bush tax cuts permanent (make the Dems shoot it down), allow sequestration, and refuse any debt ceiling increase. Play Hard Ball.


47 posted on 11/15/2012 3:18:52 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: tobyhill
House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has said Republicans could accept new revenues, but not tax-rate hikes, as part of a broad deficit deal, but President Obama and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said it was unlikely that eliminating loopholes and capping deductions could raise enough revenue to gain their support.

Boehner always "hangs tough" early in the negotiations, but does he get going when the going gets tough?

48 posted on 11/15/2012 3:30:16 AM PST by olezip
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To: tobyhill

Bohner “hangs” tough. Te-he Te-he.....


49 posted on 11/15/2012 3:31:23 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: tobyhill

WeepyBoner will hang tough??

Now pull the other one.


50 posted on 11/15/2012 3:38:33 AM PST by Flintlock (PARANOIA--means having all the facts.)
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To: tennmountainman
What bunch of crap. Bonehead doesn’t know what the word tough means.

Bonehead is about as tough as a mashed potato sandwich.

51 posted on 11/15/2012 4:19:57 AM PST by dearolddad
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To: The Duke

I think the Republicans should cave and let the Democrats choke on the results over the next year.

That’s what they did in the last four years and you see where it got the Republicans .


52 posted on 11/15/2012 4:22:33 AM PST by DOGEY
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To: karnage

“...Obama will just enact it anyway via executive order.”

Ultimately, that is his goal. He can stand before the masses and say that the Congress has abdicated its duty to the people and refuse to move the country forward because of Republican obstruction. Therefore, he must act outside of Congress and will simply assume their powers, temporarily, until such time as they get their act together.

The media and masses (the stupid ones who make up the majority) will cheer wildly and proclaim him a hero. It has happened throughout history. It is happening now.


53 posted on 11/15/2012 4:55:01 AM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: tobyhill

We all know that the minute Oblahblah comes on TV and says he can’t assure us that the Social Security checks will go ut next month Boehner will roll over and play dead as usual.


54 posted on 11/15/2012 7:56:57 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: CitizenUSA
Yeah, the business interests definitely want amnesty. You only need to read the Wall Street Journal to see that. They would love to get unlimited labor at third world prices without even needing to outsource.

The spending/debt is a little tougher. That's where we're dealing with the voters looting the treasury. It seems we're still at the point where any politician who wants to cut anything will be run out of town by the recipients of those programs. Supposedly even the business interests in Arizona campaigned against Republican Jeff Flake because he's a staunch fiscal conservative who is against unnecessary spending including corporate welfare. But he did win and he is one of the minority of good Republicans on the taxpayer's side.

55 posted on 11/15/2012 9:23:19 AM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: tobyhill

Give Boehner some time in the tanning spa, plenty of booze, some golf dates with Dear Leader, and he will cave-in while blubbering like a baby. Bonehead with guts and cajones? Fat chance.


56 posted on 11/15/2012 11:58:17 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: CitizenUSA
Of all the issues facing the country, I don’t understand why Republicans are drawing the line on tax increases. They would pass amnesty in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it, and they have no apparent desire to stand firm on any of the social issues. Yet, they’re ready to fall on their swords to stop tax increases. Why is the Republican Party spineless on everything but taxes, especially when they can’t or won’t reform government spending in any significant way and cave on the debt limit?

Because they need to differ from the Democrats on just one issue to preserve to illusion of a two-party system. Taxes are kind of irrelevant, in the long view, if spending isn't under control, so it's a "safe" subject to bicker about.

57 posted on 11/15/2012 12:01:47 PM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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