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Time to Let the Country Crash?
American Thinker ^ | 11/14/12 | Ebben Raves

Posted on 11/15/2012 6:49:05 AM PST by ebshumidors

"Let it crash!" "Give them what they want and they'll see what happens!" "Surely, once the left's programs are implemented and the economy crashes, people will come to their senses."

Since the election, many on the right have echoed this meme. They are convinced that widespread poverty and lack of opportunity will bring a resurgence of the America many of them knew growing up. Grandma and Grandpa's America.

Perhaps these people forget that Roosevelt was re-elected three times during a depression that he helped prolong -- a depression that featured soup lines and starvation in a population that actually wanted to work for a living and went on relief only as a last resort, and then with a sense of shame.

Thanks to food stamps, EBT cards, and other entitlements, Barack Obama actually had an easier time. He just had to threaten that the evil rich would take away flat-screens and "crazy money" to get enough votes. Imagine if people were really hungry.

Roosevelt and the Great Depression is only a mild example of what happens during severe economic stress. Think about Germany during the Weimar Republic hyperinflation. What did that give the world? Look at Argentina, at one time in the twentieth century more prosperous than the United States. Cristina Fernandez easily won re-election after she nationalized retirement accounts. Do you really think that no one views your 401(k) as unfair? What could be fairer than making sure it is kept protected from the greedy Wall Street bankers? Look at what is happening in Greece, with a quazi-Nazi party gaining ground. Look at France, who elected a socialist government to solve problems caused by socialism.

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1 posted on 11/15/2012 6:49:10 AM PST by ebshumidors
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To: ebshumidors

I think the American voter agrees with that.

Otherwise the Obamunist wouldn’t have been re-elected.


2 posted on 11/15/2012 6:50:32 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: ebshumidors

I had a dream last night that John Boehner held a press conference and announced that “We in the GOP do not wish to be obstructionists in any way. Therefore we are giving President Obama his $1.6 trillion tax increase, and anything else he needs to turn the economy around”.

The horrified underwear-soiling reaction of Obama and his minions to “oh, shiite, we OWN it now!” was quite satisfying I must say.


3 posted on 11/15/2012 6:51:40 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ebshumidors
Obama’s banks and government motors were to big to fail but not our Country?
4 posted on 11/15/2012 6:52:32 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: ebshumidors

What the h*** happened to conservatives?

All I have been hearing from conservatives these last four years is “let it crash”.

Well that got us four more years of Obama.

COMPETE with Obama. Out-build, and out-perform Obama.

Be a better champion for America.

Build more HERE. Be for trade surpluses, and for outperforming our rivals.

Period.


5 posted on 11/15/2012 6:52:36 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: ebshumidors

This isn’t the 1930’s. And there is no Herbert Hoover to kick around, any more. Collapse on the watch of this imperial Leftist would have a different result.


6 posted on 11/15/2012 6:52:42 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: ebshumidors
"Let it crash!" "Give them what they want and they'll see what happens!" "Surely, once the left's programs are implemented and the economy crashes, people will come to their senses."

Still waiting for that perfect conservative?
7 posted on 11/15/2012 6:54:06 AM PST by ari-freedom (It's the bennies, stupid.)
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To: ebshumidors
This reminds me of the news story featured on Drudge where a gentleman trying to keep fire from burning down his house was tasered by the local police. No crime committed. Just that he was putting himself in jeopardy trying to protect his properly. "Let it go, that's what insurance is for."

Unfortunately, we don't have any insurance if our national house burns to the ground. The insurance companies would be just as affected as the rest of us. So letting it burn is, to me, not an option.

8 posted on 11/15/2012 6:54:33 AM PST by asinclair (Bulls*it is an ever-renewable resource.)
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To: ebshumidors

Why would someone worry about a job when they can get free housing, food, unemployment, disability, welfare, phones, healthcare, subsidized transportation, tuition, etc.? They deserve it from the rich.


9 posted on 11/15/2012 6:55:10 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“I had a dream last night that John Boehner held a press conference and announced that “We in the GOP do not wish to be obstructionists in any way. Therefore we are giving President Obama his $1.6 trillion tax increase, and anything else he needs to turn the economy around”.”

umm that’s not a dream. They really are going to give in, starting with amnesty.


10 posted on 11/15/2012 6:55:40 AM PST by ari-freedom (It's the bennies, stupid.)
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To: ebshumidors
It is nice to have a guy on our side who actually gets what we're fighting for. We do not give in to evil for moral reasons either . . . because it is evil and deserves to be fought with any and all means available.

Even if you can't save everyone.

Even if you can't even save yourself.

Has anyone on this forum under age 30 even heard of Corrie Ten Boom, much less be able to tell us why she is one of the most important historical figures of the last century?

I rest my case.

11 posted on 11/15/2012 6:57:41 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ebshumidors

Did you see the Greeks burning down buildings last night? That is the Gimme culture writ large. America will crash and burn, too. With $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities, thanks to vote-buying politicians, there is no other outcome.


12 posted on 11/15/2012 6:57:51 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: ebshumidors
I couldn't agree more with the writer's point - isolate and polarize. There are so many targets.

Problem is, the GOP will not do it - it has a stake in the system as it is currently run.

13 posted on 11/15/2012 6:57:51 AM PST by skeeter
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To: ebshumidors

On its present course, the country is likely to crash with or without our help. I see no reason why Republicans should help hasten the end. It may take generations to recover after the SHTF.


14 posted on 11/15/2012 6:57:58 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: MrChips

“This isn’t the 1930’s. And there is no Herbert Hoover to kick around, any more. Collapse on the watch of this imperial Leftist would have a different result.”

They will always find someone to blame. Many people STILL blame Bush to this day so they’ll keep milking that line. But even when that line wears off, don’t underestimate their creativity to shift the blame to something else.


15 posted on 11/15/2012 6:58:47 AM PST by ari-freedom (It's the bennies, stupid.)
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To: ebshumidors

"I say, 'Let them crash'"

16 posted on 11/15/2012 6:59:20 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: ari-freedom

I hope there will not be a single GOP vote for anything Obama wants. If it’s so good for the country, let them own it.


17 posted on 11/15/2012 6:59:20 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: ebshumidors
You do want to win, right?

Salient question for the GOP.

18 posted on 11/15/2012 6:59:29 AM PST by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

One thing about leftists is that they NEVER take responsibility for their failures,

that’s because, inherently, liberalism is about making others pay for your consequences.


19 posted on 11/15/2012 6:59:49 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: ebshumidors

Let?

Hell we can’t stop it.

The Browns, Blacks, Yellows and stupid Whites have it


20 posted on 11/15/2012 7:00:05 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: ari-freedom

He will. People, generally, won’t. What goes around usually comes around, and people know where the buck stops.


21 posted on 11/15/2012 7:01:25 AM PST by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Vigilanteman

Well said, sir. Well said.

Peace and blessings to you.


22 posted on 11/15/2012 7:03:58 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: ebshumidors
They are convinced that widespread poverty and lack of opportunity will bring a resurgence of the America many of them knew growing up. Grandma and Grandpa's America.

No. I'm a let it burn guy not out of hope for restoration. I'm a let it burn guy because their will be no restoration. Leave these people to their own devices. Besides, why would I care? I have nothing in common with them.

23 posted on 11/15/2012 7:05:32 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Tagline X. Waiting to be given a new tagline.)
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To: wardaddy

I agree with you, but the question is, then, what do we do?

I hear keep fighting (really? with amnesty coming and all the third-worlders brought into the country?), secede (cannot happen due to so many dependent on a check from Uncle Sam in every state), so is the answer leaving? Yes, I know, some people think that is cutting and running, but was it running when people left Europe many years ago to come to America for a chance at freedom? If leaving the US is the only realistic option, then where to go?

I’m just throwing these options out there, because I am as perplexed and dismayed as everyone else. I would like to hear all suggestions for what to do next, but please keep them grounded in what is realistically possible.


24 posted on 11/15/2012 7:05:38 AM PST by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: wardaddy

You gotta be the lemming with the exit plan.


25 posted on 11/15/2012 7:06:59 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

yep, maybe they can all vote “present” or “abstain” instead of yes/no. Just like obummer did when he briefly served in the senate...


26 posted on 11/15/2012 7:07:36 AM PST by sassy steel magnolia
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To: ebshumidors

Sure, just look at Detroit, Chicago, California.

After the Democrats ruined those areas, the people wised up and voted out the Rats, now they are realiable Conservative Strong holds today

Oh wait....................


27 posted on 11/15/2012 7:07:40 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Vigilanteman

Our daughter is under the age of 30 and is reading Corrie Ten Boom.
You asked!
Thank you


28 posted on 11/15/2012 7:15:01 AM PST by two23
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To: ebshumidors

Let the feckless GOP collapse!


29 posted on 11/15/2012 7:15:31 AM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
"Surely, once the left's programs are implemented and the economy crashes, people will come to their senses."

“oh, shiite, we OWN it now!”

The sad part is that the MACHINE that will soon be created by Obama and Company WANT to own it. When the private sector steps out of the job creation business, that vacuum will be filled.
30 posted on 11/15/2012 7:16:46 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: ebshumidors
In the words of a great American hero, "LET'S ROLL"!

I despise communists, they should be wiped out where ever they are found.

31 posted on 11/15/2012 7:19:43 AM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: wardaddy
Let?

Hell we can’t stop it.

Exactly right.

32 posted on 11/15/2012 7:19:43 AM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: ebshumidors

“...Let the arguing begin!...”
Well, there’s really no argument at this point because it’s coming and there is nothing any of us can do to stop it. So when (not if) it collapses, the whole gut-wrenching debacle needs to be hung around the neck of the RAT party for next hundred years. It will be much worse than Greece when it hits here. IF you haven’t already, prepare yourselves accordingly.


33 posted on 11/15/2012 7:20:11 AM PST by lgjhn23
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To: NeoCaveman
Leave these people to their own devices. Besides, why would I care?

Wow....
34 posted on 11/15/2012 7:22:06 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: ari-freedom

Without an obstructionist GOP bogeyman to point to, Obama would have real serious problems.


35 posted on 11/15/2012 7:25:30 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Impy; sickoflibs; Perdogg; NFHale; DarthVader; fieldmarshaldj
One of the best pieces of advice I ever got was from a former boss:

“Sometimes you have to get out of the way and just let the sh*t hit the fan. And make sure you don't help clean up.”

I've done that on a micro-scale to weed cretins out of my life; I suspect it works well on a macro-scale as well.

36 posted on 11/15/2012 7:26:13 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (The autopsy will show that this nation committed suicide.)
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To: ebshumidors
At some point an "accelerant" to the crash will be introduced, either voluntarily from Mordor or involuntarily from outside the US.

No need for the GOP to participate in any way, shape, or form. If Soetoro wants it, simply vote "NO!"

37 posted on 11/15/2012 7:29:39 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: ebshumidors
"Surely, once the left's programs are implemented and the economy crashes, people will come to their senses."

I seriously doubt that people would come to their senses, even if the economy crashed. The lady with the Obamaphone (and millions like her) would blame the greedy rich, or anybody but the current Administration.

38 posted on 11/15/2012 7:35:29 AM PST by olezip
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To: ebshumidors
Sometimes a strategic withdrawal is the more prudent idea than continuing direct contact with no plan, that does nothing more than waste lives and materiel.

The only issue we should fight to the death for is repudiation of any amnesty for illegal immigrants. Anything else can be rectified in the future.

Anyone who thinks we can system restore back to some past version of America is smoking crack. The only reasonable course of action is to prepare for post-crash America.

Until conservatives by the millions take their children from public schools NOW, no matter how wonderful THEIR kid's school is, nothing will ever change.

39 posted on 11/15/2012 7:35:29 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: ebshumidors

Grandma and Grandpa who went through the depression knew how to take care of themselves. My father had a near-”Grapes of Wrath” upbringing, except his family didn’t move to California. My grandfather, who is a hero of mine, tried every which way to earn a living and support his family. He worked various jobs. He ran a small coal mine. He bought a truck and delivered livestock to the East St. Louis stockyards. He hunted and fished. He rented farmland and sold whatever foodstuffs the family didn’t need. Grandma knew how to can fruits and vegetables and smoke or salt meat. Finally, in about 1948, Grandpa was able to buy a farm and give the family some security. The farm remained in the family for 40 years. Grandma and Grandpa never once cast a vote for FDR.


40 posted on 11/15/2012 7:36:07 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: ari-freedom; Ohioan; Travis McGee; Pelham
Ari...you're no dummy of a young man

but what brought us here is not uncompromising conservatism

it's lightweight appeaser after lightweight appeaser

from Dole to Bush to Bush to McCain to Romney

excitement over Palin is what gave us our bump in 2008 but it was not enough to thwart the Negro bump

we either stick to our core beliefs or become them

it would appear that many public GOP talkers and pols are about power...or panic

many were never conservative to begin with like Krauthammer and Kristol

and much of Fox news

I am very cultural right ...in fact..5 years ago folks like me were on shaky ground here

and we warned and warned and warned that demographics are destiny

and what Tocqueville said etc

shouted down as bigots

now to simply morph into moderate Democrats en masse to appease the takers of our culture and hold power is not much of an option really

but in any event...on a national level given GOP hesitation to actually fight we have no power

whether it crashes or not is beyond our control from now till 2014

i told people here that even if Mitt..weak as he was..won, that our days are numbered by brown in particular birth rates

what is surprised me is it happened even quicker than I feared

now if whites in general voted like my whites do it wouldn't be an issue

but they don't ..whites outside the South and Pioneer West are generally speaking stupid and mired in the different not so socially conservative origin from whence they came over the past 100-150 years

i don't see much hope really

the irony is the most Nordic or Aryan whites trend to be the most liberal today in the USA whilst the Anglo and Ulster Scots the more conservative

that was always the line in the culture war that has been America since the colonies broke up

that wave changed the north early 1800s and it still resonates with many if not most northern whites today

racial minorities...who can blame them...we practically beg them to be victim pets we can fix and feel better about ourselves

and live under this illusion that millions and millions racially and culturally different than the majority stock can simply come ashore here legally or illegally and leave all that behind and become little Horatio Alger clones all at once simply by being here

that has been proven to be bullshit and we warned the majority here 7 years ago..to deaf ears

I mean look at history Ari

Did the Philistines become the Hebrews every time you guys kicked their asses and subjugated them?

well maybe a few you took as breeding stock but no they did not did they?...look around over there today in the Holy land and you can see the difference between your people and their descendants

or the Visgoths and Romans?

Goths did not become Romans very well

or Saxons supplanting BritanoRomans...nope

now Normans supplanting Saxons...yes they did assimilate in time

you know why?

they were cousins basically ethnically and culturally and the Normans actually brought governing improvement

no one coming here is doing that are they today?

many are leeches ...state dependant..over half of all legal immigrants who have been here up to 20 years are on government assistance

that is all we need to know and explains why bad candidates like Romney ..who we all voted for...ain't gonna fix it

to be honest...and it sucks...really sucks

we have done nothing more than take a turn off the path the nation has been on since 1877 and back onto the trail of POLITICS BY OTHER MEANS

I may die first given my age but that is our destination and it will be brutal...and worse...it won;t happen just here...this is an issue in the West in general

and it effects you too in particular

just think if the Browns or Islamic sympathetic control western armories one day?

your tribe won't have a chance

meanwhile freepers can simply hum merrily along till next election convinced it's not about any of this and so forth

41 posted on 11/15/2012 7:43:16 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: ebshumidors

We need ideas.


42 posted on 11/15/2012 7:44:09 AM PST by two23
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To: MrB

Come again hoss


43 posted on 11/15/2012 7:46:50 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy

I looked for it, and I know another FReeper has it,

but there’s a modified farside cartoon with lemmings charging down a hill to their deaths,

but one little guy with a knowing look on his face is wearing a floaty.


44 posted on 11/15/2012 7:49:59 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: ebshumidors
You assume that there is some policy or action plan that would keep the country from crashing if it was implemented.

The truth is that there is not. $1 Trillion of the federal budget is deficit financed.

If that goes on the country will crash.

If we somehow cut $1 Trillion out of the federal budget then those cuts will wreck the economy although this would be arguably better than an uncontrolled crash.

So the premise of the question is utterly wrong. The question is when and how.

45 posted on 11/15/2012 7:53:23 AM PST by delapaz
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To: ebshumidors

Beoming Mao’s China, Stalin’s Soviet Union, PolPot’s Cambodia, or Communist East Germany would relegate the American people to decades of incalculable suffering and finanical ruin. We would very likely be invaded by a foreign power and jihadists would attack us at will. Preventing Armageddon would be a more prudent course.


46 posted on 11/15/2012 8:00:58 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: two23
We need virtue.

The entire rhetorical history of Western civilization, and by extension, educational history, had as its purpose the transmission and instruction of virtue, Judeo-Christian virtue specifically.

In just a handful of generations, the public education system has destroyed that concept completely.

How do you sell ideas based on virtue to people who have none?

47 posted on 11/15/2012 8:06:22 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: two23
Good for you!

All three of my daughter read her books as well as this one.

There is something genuinely satisfying about raising well-informed conservative children who will be part of the solution to rebuild this world rather than part of the problem to be swept away when our promised Messiah comes again.

48 posted on 11/15/2012 8:06:48 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Pining_4_TX

I think all this leads to racial and ethnic war down the road ...not totally...there will be peel offs on both sides but yes.

We have allowed foreigners with basically no commonality to take over our country with the help of native Quislings.

These interlopers ..the bad ones...let’s say 75% over all..voting wise

legal or illegal there is not much difference if you look at voting stats

are here to take our money and liberty because they think we owe them the former and there are enough folks already here of all races who want to help them

there are basically no minorities left who vote GOP now...maybe Vietnamese....who knows...even the Cubans were 50/50 this time

so it’s us against them

the same dummies here who over the years told me none of this mattered will be the same ones to call me racist again

but this is how I see it and it’s hard to refute...exceptions don;t refute the rule...never have

in the meantime...what is our first order of business knowing that is looming down the road baring a miracle?

Win the battle over the GOP....first order of business

if we lose that then the slide to violence accelerates in my view

I am unaware of anytime in history where the founding culture has been supplanted so quickly and largely illegally but welcomed by so many

it’s a malaise a sure as ergot plagues

I would wager that 25% of whites in America applaud the demise of the so called white culture here...just look at Democrat talking heads and media...they are gleeful over it

it’s getback and guaranteed power forever..however long forever is

something happened over the past 50 years...some gremlin came around and quietly stole all the White race stones in America and turned folks into silly people

I cannot imagine my grandparents simply standing around and letting this happen to them simply out of fear of being called racist

It’s amazing....anyhow...if we could change northern white libs that would help and help quick...but I’m not optimistic...if the Dems so mess up the economy then maybe the northern libs might wake up

changing more latinos...you’d have to turn over half to make a lock difference..

blacks...forget it and shrinking share anyhow

Orientals...man...they piss me off...I mean what is there beef?

anyhow...the future is bleak

about where to go?

go live amongst your own pretty much..leave the idiots in their own mess

go to Texas...more and more Yankee conservatives streaming into Texas is all that will save that state from the Brown statist getback plague

God...I never thought I would wish that

one caveat is that political history is no straight line...so things can detour on a dime ..but the general direction is what it is...this was set long before Romney lost


49 posted on 11/15/2012 8:07:29 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: MrB

lol....


50 posted on 11/15/2012 8:08:29 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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