Skip to comments.Time to Let the Country Crash?
Posted on 11/15/2012 6:49:05 AM PST by ebshumidors
"Let it crash!" "Give them what they want and they'll see what happens!" "Surely, once the left's programs are implemented and the economy crashes, people will come to their senses."
Since the election, many on the right have echoed this meme. They are convinced that widespread poverty and lack of opportunity will bring a resurgence of the America many of them knew growing up. Grandma and Grandpa's America.
Perhaps these people forget that Roosevelt was re-elected three times during a depression that he helped prolong -- a depression that featured soup lines and starvation in a population that actually wanted to work for a living and went on relief only as a last resort, and then with a sense of shame.
Thanks to food stamps, EBT cards, and other entitlements, Barack Obama actually had an easier time. He just had to threaten that the evil rich would take away flat-screens and "crazy money" to get enough votes. Imagine if people were really hungry.
Roosevelt and the Great Depression is only a mild example of what happens during severe economic stress. Think about Germany during the Weimar Republic hyperinflation. What did that give the world? Look at Argentina, at one time in the twentieth century more prosperous than the United States. Cristina Fernandez easily won re-election after she nationalized retirement accounts. Do you really think that no one views your 401(k) as unfair? What could be fairer than making sure it is kept protected from the greedy Wall Street bankers? Look at what is happening in Greece, with a quazi-Nazi party gaining ground. Look at France, who elected a socialist government to solve problems caused by socialism.
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I think the American voter agrees with that.
Otherwise the Obamunist wouldn’t have been re-elected.
I had a dream last night that John Boehner held a press conference and announced that “We in the GOP do not wish to be obstructionists in any way. Therefore we are giving President Obama his $1.6 trillion tax increase, and anything else he needs to turn the economy around”.
The horrified underwear-soiling reaction of Obama and his minions to “oh, shiite, we OWN it now!” was quite satisfying I must say.
What the h*** happened to conservatives?
All I have been hearing from conservatives these last four years is “let it crash”.
Well that got us four more years of Obama.
COMPETE with Obama. Out-build, and out-perform Obama.
Be a better champion for America.
Build more HERE. Be for trade surpluses, and for outperforming our rivals.
This isn’t the 1930’s. And there is no Herbert Hoover to kick around, any more. Collapse on the watch of this imperial Leftist would have a different result.
Unfortunately, we don't have any insurance if our national house burns to the ground. The insurance companies would be just as affected as the rest of us. So letting it burn is, to me, not an option.
Why would someone worry about a job when they can get free housing, food, unemployment, disability, welfare, phones, healthcare, subsidized transportation, tuition, etc.? They deserve it from the rich.
“I had a dream last night that John Boehner held a press conference and announced that We in the GOP do not wish to be obstructionists in any way. Therefore we are giving President Obama his $1.6 trillion tax increase, and anything else he needs to turn the economy around.”
umm that’s not a dream. They really are going to give in, starting with amnesty.
Even if you can't save everyone.
Even if you can't even save yourself.
Has anyone on this forum under age 30 even heard of Corrie Ten Boom, much less be able to tell us why she is one of the most important historical figures of the last century?
I rest my case.
Did you see the Greeks burning down buildings last night? That is the Gimme culture writ large. America will crash and burn, too. With $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities, thanks to vote-buying politicians, there is no other outcome.
Problem is, the GOP will not do it - it has a stake in the system as it is currently run.
On its present course, the country is likely to crash with or without our help. I see no reason why Republicans should help hasten the end. It may take generations to recover after the SHTF.
“This isnt the 1930s. And there is no Herbert Hoover to kick around, any more. Collapse on the watch of this imperial Leftist would have a different result.”
They will always find someone to blame. Many people STILL blame Bush to this day so they’ll keep milking that line. But even when that line wears off, don’t underestimate their creativity to shift the blame to something else.
"I say, 'Let them crash'"
I hope there will not be a single GOP vote for anything Obama wants. If it’s so good for the country, let them own it.
Salient question for the GOP.
One thing about leftists is that they NEVER take responsibility for their failures,
that’s because, inherently, liberalism is about making others pay for your consequences.
Hell we can’t stop it.
The Browns, Blacks, Yellows and stupid Whites have it
He will. People, generally, won’t. What goes around usually comes around, and people know where the buck stops.
Well said, sir. Well said.
Peace and blessings to you.
No. I'm a let it burn guy not out of hope for restoration. I'm a let it burn guy because their will be no restoration. Leave these people to their own devices. Besides, why would I care? I have nothing in common with them.
I agree with you, but the question is, then, what do we do?
I hear keep fighting (really? with amnesty coming and all the third-worlders brought into the country?), secede (cannot happen due to so many dependent on a check from Uncle Sam in every state), so is the answer leaving? Yes, I know, some people think that is cutting and running, but was it running when people left Europe many years ago to come to America for a chance at freedom? If leaving the US is the only realistic option, then where to go?
I’m just throwing these options out there, because I am as perplexed and dismayed as everyone else. I would like to hear all suggestions for what to do next, but please keep them grounded in what is realistically possible.
You gotta be the lemming with the exit plan.
yep, maybe they can all vote “present” or “abstain” instead of yes/no. Just like obummer did when he briefly served in the senate...
Sure, just look at Detroit, Chicago, California.
After the Democrats ruined those areas, the people wised up and voted out the Rats, now they are realiable Conservative Strong holds today
Our daughter is under the age of 30 and is reading Corrie Ten Boom.
Let the feckless GOP collapse!
I despise communists, they should be wiped out where ever they are found.
Hell we cant stop it.
“...Let the arguing begin!...”
Well, there’s really no argument at this point because it’s coming and there is nothing any of us can do to stop it. So when (not if) it collapses, the whole gut-wrenching debacle needs to be hung around the neck of the RAT party for next hundred years. It will be much worse than Greece when it hits here. IF you haven’t already, prepare yourselves accordingly.
Without an obstructionist GOP bogeyman to point to, Obama would have real serious problems.
“Sometimes you have to get out of the way and just let the sh*t hit the fan. And make sure you don't help clean up.”
I've done that on a micro-scale to weed cretins out of my life; I suspect it works well on a macro-scale as well.
No need for the GOP to participate in any way, shape, or form. If Soetoro wants it, simply vote "NO!"
I seriously doubt that people would come to their senses, even if the economy crashed. The lady with the Obamaphone (and millions like her) would blame the greedy rich, or anybody but the current Administration.
The only issue we should fight to the death for is repudiation of any amnesty for illegal immigrants. Anything else can be rectified in the future.
Anyone who thinks we can system restore back to some past version of America is smoking crack. The only reasonable course of action is to prepare for post-crash America.
Until conservatives by the millions take their children from public schools NOW, no matter how wonderful THEIR kid's school is, nothing will ever change.
Grandma and Grandpa who went through the depression knew how to take care of themselves. My father had a near-”Grapes of Wrath” upbringing, except his family didn’t move to California. My grandfather, who is a hero of mine, tried every which way to earn a living and support his family. He worked various jobs. He ran a small coal mine. He bought a truck and delivered livestock to the East St. Louis stockyards. He hunted and fished. He rented farmland and sold whatever foodstuffs the family didn’t need. Grandma knew how to can fruits and vegetables and smoke or salt meat. Finally, in about 1948, Grandpa was able to buy a farm and give the family some security. The farm remained in the family for 40 years. Grandma and Grandpa never once cast a vote for FDR.
but what brought us here is not uncompromising conservatism
it's lightweight appeaser after lightweight appeaser
from Dole to Bush to Bush to McCain to Romney
excitement over Palin is what gave us our bump in 2008 but it was not enough to thwart the Negro bump
we either stick to our core beliefs or become them
it would appear that many public GOP talkers and pols are about power...or panic
many were never conservative to begin with like Krauthammer and Kristol
and much of Fox news
I am very cultural right ...in fact..5 years ago folks like me were on shaky ground here
and we warned and warned and warned that demographics are destiny
and what Tocqueville said etc
shouted down as bigots
now to simply morph into moderate Democrats en masse to appease the takers of our culture and hold power is not much of an option really
but in any event...on a national level given GOP hesitation to actually fight we have no power
whether it crashes or not is beyond our control from now till 2014
i told people here that even if Mitt..weak as he was..won, that our days are numbered by brown in particular birth rates
what is surprised me is it happened even quicker than I feared
now if whites in general voted like my whites do it wouldn't be an issue
but they don't ..whites outside the South and Pioneer West are generally speaking stupid and mired in the different not so socially conservative origin from whence they came over the past 100-150 years
i don't see much hope really
the irony is the most Nordic or Aryan whites trend to be the most liberal today in the USA whilst the Anglo and Ulster Scots the more conservative
that was always the line in the culture war that has been America since the colonies broke up
that wave changed the north early 1800s and it still resonates with many if not most northern whites today
racial minorities...who can blame them...we practically beg them to be victim pets we can fix and feel better about ourselves
and live under this illusion that millions and millions racially and culturally different than the majority stock can simply come ashore here legally or illegally and leave all that behind and become little Horatio Alger clones all at once simply by being here
that has been proven to be bullshit and we warned the majority here 7 years ago..to deaf ears
I mean look at history Ari
Did the Philistines become the Hebrews every time you guys kicked their asses and subjugated them?
well maybe a few you took as breeding stock but no they did not did they?...look around over there today in the Holy land and you can see the difference between your people and their descendants
or the Visgoths and Romans?
Goths did not become Romans very well
or Saxons supplanting BritanoRomans...nope
now Normans supplanting Saxons...yes they did assimilate in time
you know why?
they were cousins basically ethnically and culturally and the Normans actually brought governing improvement
no one coming here is doing that are they today?
many are leeches ...state dependant..over half of all legal immigrants who have been here up to 20 years are on government assistance
that is all we need to know and explains why bad candidates like Romney ..who we all voted for...ain't gonna fix it
to be honest...and it sucks...really sucks
we have done nothing more than take a turn off the path the nation has been on since 1877 and back onto the trail of POLITICS BY OTHER MEANS
I may die first given my age but that is our destination and it will be brutal...and worse...it won;t happen just here...this is an issue in the West in general
and it effects you too in particular
just think if the Browns or Islamic sympathetic control western armories one day?
your tribe won't have a chance
meanwhile freepers can simply hum merrily along till next election convinced it's not about any of this and so forth
We need ideas.
Come again hoss
I looked for it, and I know another FReeper has it,
but there’s a modified farside cartoon with lemmings charging down a hill to their deaths,
but one little guy with a knowing look on his face is wearing a floaty.
The truth is that there is not. $1 Trillion of the federal budget is deficit financed.
If that goes on the country will crash.
If we somehow cut $1 Trillion out of the federal budget then those cuts will wreck the economy although this would be arguably better than an uncontrolled crash.
So the premise of the question is utterly wrong. The question is when and how.
Beoming Mao’s China, Stalin’s Soviet Union, PolPot’s Cambodia, or Communist East Germany would relegate the American people to decades of incalculable suffering and finanical ruin. We would very likely be invaded by a foreign power and jihadists would attack us at will. Preventing Armageddon would be a more prudent course.
The entire rhetorical history of Western civilization, and by extension, educational history, had as its purpose the transmission and instruction of virtue, Judeo-Christian virtue specifically.
In just a handful of generations, the public education system has destroyed that concept completely.
How do you sell ideas based on virtue to people who have none?
All three of my daughter read her books as well as this one.
There is something genuinely satisfying about raising well-informed conservative children who will be part of the solution to rebuild this world rather than part of the problem to be swept away when our promised Messiah comes again.
I think all this leads to racial and ethnic war down the road ...not totally...there will be peel offs on both sides but yes.
We have allowed foreigners with basically no commonality to take over our country with the help of native Quislings.
These interlopers ..the bad ones...let’s say 75% over all..voting wise
legal or illegal there is not much difference if you look at voting stats
are here to take our money and liberty because they think we owe them the former and there are enough folks already here of all races who want to help them
there are basically no minorities left who vote GOP now...maybe Vietnamese....who knows...even the Cubans were 50/50 this time
so it’s us against them
the same dummies here who over the years told me none of this mattered will be the same ones to call me racist again
but this is how I see it and it’s hard to refute...exceptions don;t refute the rule...never have
in the meantime...what is our first order of business knowing that is looming down the road baring a miracle?
Win the battle over the GOP....first order of business
if we lose that then the slide to violence accelerates in my view
I am unaware of anytime in history where the founding culture has been supplanted so quickly and largely illegally but welcomed by so many
it’s a malaise a sure as ergot plagues
I would wager that 25% of whites in America applaud the demise of the so called white culture here...just look at Democrat talking heads and media...they are gleeful over it
it’s getback and guaranteed power forever..however long forever is
something happened over the past 50 years...some gremlin came around and quietly stole all the White race stones in America and turned folks into silly people
I cannot imagine my grandparents simply standing around and letting this happen to them simply out of fear of being called racist
It’s amazing....anyhow...if we could change northern white libs that would help and help quick...but I’m not optimistic...if the Dems so mess up the economy then maybe the northern libs might wake up
changing more latinos...you’d have to turn over half to make a lock difference..
blacks...forget it and shrinking share anyhow
Orientals...man...they piss me off...I mean what is there beef?
anyhow...the future is bleak
about where to go?
go live amongst your own pretty much..leave the idiots in their own mess
go to Texas...more and more Yankee conservatives streaming into Texas is all that will save that state from the Brown statist getback plague
God...I never thought I would wish that
one caveat is that political history is no straight line...so things can detour on a dime ..but the general direction is what it is...this was set long before Romney lost
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