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The Tax Tango (No, Speaker Boehner is not selling out the right)
National Review ^ | 11/15/2012 | The Editors

Posted on 11/15/2012 6:56:36 AM PST by SeekAndFind

John Boehner isn’t selling out conservatives on taxes. All he has done is reiterate that Republicans are open to a tax-reform deal that generates extra revenues, so long as the entitlements that are driving our long-term debt explosion are also addressed. He has also said that this reform should not raise marginal tax rates, and should indeed lower them. A deal along those lines might be worth supporting, depending on the details.

The White House is, however, insisting that the top tax rates have to go up as scheduled under the law — and that even more taxes should be placed on high earners. Unless the administration is prepared to give an awful lot on entitlements — holding Social Security benefit increases to inflation, and implementing premium support in Medicare — Republicans would be crazy to take that deal.

Republicans who are inclined to give more ground to Obama make two arguments. They fear that failing to reach a deal, and thus letting taxes rise across the board, will throw the economy into recession. Maybe so. But the most economically damaging tax increases that are scheduled are the ones on high earners, and they’re the very ones that Obama wants to make worse. That’s not an argument for acquiescing to his demands.

Second, they worry that if no deal is cut to avoid tax increases for everyone, Democrats will succeed in blaming Republicans for middle-class tax hikes. House Republicans can avoid that trap, however, by passing a bill that extends the current tax rates for everyone. If taxes do go up anyway, voters are likely to hold the party in control of the White House responsible. And Republicans have already shown they are willing to be flexible on revenue.

Republicans should be willing to negotiate with the administration. But it won’t be a real negotiation unless they’re also willing to walk away.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boehner; fiscalcliff; tax; taxes

1 posted on 11/15/2012 6:56:42 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

What about that statement on Obamacare being the “law of the land?”


2 posted on 11/15/2012 7:01:30 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Re-distribute my work ethic, not my wealth!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes he is...he’s been hot to do a deal with Obama ever since January 2009, but the TEA Party freshmen stood in his way. Now, he feels confident enough to strong arm the GOP House caucus into rubber stamping whatever devil’s agreement he cuts with Obama.


3 posted on 11/15/2012 7:02:03 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m very tired of hearing about long-term solutions. We have a short-term problem every year. Every year we fall a trillion dollars further in debt because of excessive spending. All spending bills start in the House. Pass a balanced budget, and the short term problem is solved, and if the short term problem is solved every year, abracadabra, the long term problem disappears.


4 posted on 11/15/2012 7:02:42 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: SeekAndFind

not yet..give him time


5 posted on 11/15/2012 7:03:14 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: SeekAndFind

The National Review, like the Weekly Standard and the Wall Street Journal editorial page, are now establishment mouthpieces. Couldn’t be bothered with any of their articles.

Boehner will be fooled yet again. Harry Reid will wait till the very last minute, claim emergency, and Boehner will be afraid and strongarm the House to pass the senate’s worthless plan.

Let everything expire. The tax cuts, the unemployment benefits, the student loan interes reduction, the payroll tax reduction, all of it. Let the people feel the policies of liberalism. The House needs to pass its own bills, and ignore any meetings with the senate. Let the senate pass their own bills then meet in conference. But Boehner will go along.


6 posted on 11/15/2012 7:05:02 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: SeekAndFind

>> John Boehner isn’t selling out conservatives on taxes.

I’d love to believe that premise, but the rest of the article fails to substantiate it.

It does establish that Boehner and his bunch very well MIGHT end up selling out.


7 posted on 11/15/2012 7:05:47 AM PST by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: Arm_Bears

RE: What about that statement on Obamacare being the “law of the land?”

It isn’t?

I thought Congress ( the one the people voted for from 2006 to 2010) passed it. Did it get repealed?


8 posted on 11/15/2012 7:08:42 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Please, oh please.

Get real.

Bonehead will sell us out.

It’s as certain as an Obamadork lie.


9 posted on 11/15/2012 7:17:05 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

At this point I say give Obama “everything he said he needs to turn this economy around”. Let him 110% OWN IT when that inevitably fails.


10 posted on 11/15/2012 7:18:45 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind
The Tax Tango (No, Speaker Boehner is not selling out the right)

The day after the election Boehner bent over, grabbed his ankles and invited Bathhouse Barry to have his way. I call that a sellout.

11 posted on 11/15/2012 7:20:07 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Remember the Heroic SEALs of Benghazi and DEMAND a Full Accounting!!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

BS Boner will pimp it just like he did last 3 times. Anyone who believed the drunk bonehead speaker is a fool. In fact after the party reelected him as speaker anyone who remains a registered republican is a likely fool and enabler ( in my humble opinion)


12 posted on 11/15/2012 7:23:57 AM PST by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: SeekAndFind
John Boehner isn’t selling out conservatives on taxes..... yet.

There is always a huge "yet" when dealing with Boehner.

13 posted on 11/15/2012 7:38:54 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Big Bird is a brood parasite: laid in our nest 43 years ago and we are still feeding him.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There have been many “laws of the land”—The Fugitive Slave Act comes to mind. It was odious and subsequently overturned.

By declaring Obamacare the “law of the land,” Boner sends the signal that he’s rolling over and leaving conservatives/TEA Partiers (who, by the way, made it possible for him to become Speaker) to fend for themselves.

(And let’s not overlook the fact that Congress exempted itself from the provisions of Obamacare.)


14 posted on 11/15/2012 7:40:12 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Re-distribute my work ethic, not my wealth!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, if the National Review says there’s no fire despite all the black smoke to the contrary, it must be so! Sorry, NR editors, this pig will not fly.


15 posted on 11/15/2012 7:42:16 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: SeekAndFind
I say give obama what he's asking for...it won't make anything better and it will take that arrow out of his quiver for the 2014 mid-term election.

As long as the economy sucks and he can blame the GOP we will continue to lose.

Give him what he wants and make him own it in 2014.

16 posted on 11/15/2012 7:45:09 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
At this point I say give Obama “everything he said he needs to turn this economy around”. Let him 110% OWN IT when that inevitably fails.

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Exactly as I have been saying...and do it now or else face the consequences of being blamed ourselves in 2014.

17 posted on 11/15/2012 7:47:16 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911

“Give him what he wants and make him own it in 2014.”

This would be nice if it would work, but it won’t.

This is what will happen:

1. Boehner will take an initial stance that Republicans will not raise tax rates or that Republicans will only allow tax rate increase for the wealthy in return for defined spending cuts.

2. President Obama, Democrats, and the press will talk for weeks about how Republicans are holding tax rate increases hostage for the middle class.

3. As the fiscal cliff approaches, President Obama will refuse to budge on spending cuts, knowing that Republicans will take the blame for the impasse.

4. Boehner will cave, either just before the fiscal cliff, or within a couple of weeks after the fiscal cliff.

5. In the end, Republican intransigence will be blamed for causing a crisis in consumer confidence and the resulting economic slowdown. Note, this will be just like how the Tea Party still gets the blame for the U.S. government credit rating downgrade.


18 posted on 11/15/2012 8:11:22 AM PST by Perkalong
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To: SeekAndFind

The entitlements aren’t driving it as much as unemployment. Raise the tariffs and get our people back to work. Focusing on entitlements while people are unemployed is just going to guarantee more rat victories at the polls.


19 posted on 11/15/2012 8:21:11 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Perkalong
Nope. This immediate will resolve before 1/1/13. If we give obamski what he wants tax-wise then we take that arrow out of his quiver for 2014 - two years from now.

It will not make any difference at all in the economy which will suck for the next cycle (2014) regardless of what is done.

If we don't give it to him then he will campaign to win back the house by arguing that he needs friendly faces to get his tax increase in place.

20 posted on 11/15/2012 8:50:32 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911

“If we give obamski what he wants tax-wise then we take that arrow out of his quiver for 2014 - two years from now.”

I hear what you are saying, and I am tempted to agree with it.

However, I believe that even if Boehner gave President Obama everything he wanted, the President, the Democrats, and the media would still manufacture a crisis out of this so that Republicans can be blamed for the poor economy. And mark my words, the Republican House WILL get the blame (along with Bush).


21 posted on 11/15/2012 9:17:34 AM PST by Perkalong
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To: SeekAndFind

Trusting John Boehner to articulate a Republican position on taxes is like hiring Willie Sutton to work at your bank.


22 posted on 11/15/2012 9:22:46 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“Everybody does their fair share, everybody plays by the same set of rules”


23 posted on 11/15/2012 9:27:09 AM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Trusting John Boehner to articulate a Republican position on taxes is like hiring Willie Sutton to work at your bank.
true..like giving real front door keys to (Little) Slick Willy access...
to the MOB whorehouses in Las Vegas...courtesy of Dirty Reid.

24 posted on 11/15/2012 9:33:13 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth....RWR 8-)
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To: All
People forget that Boehner walked away from tax hikes last time he negotiated with Obama.

After Boehner walked out of talks Obama was furious with him because he would not take calls from the president.

Boehner has not hiked taxes yet even though he's been under much pressure to do so. I think he's entering negotiations with a fairly strong position.

25 posted on 11/15/2012 10:24:01 AM PST by what's up
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To: SeekAndFind

Reduce the tax rates, then eliminate the progressive factor in determining tax status for those making more than $400,000 per year. In other words, make the top tax rate 25%, and don’t graduate the rates. This means that those making $400,000 or more pay exactly 25% of all their income.


26 posted on 11/15/2012 10:51:24 AM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: SeekAndFind

The Estate Tax needs to be abolished.

Short of that, the exclusion amount needs to be raised to $10M


27 posted on 11/16/2012 11:02:03 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Estate Tax needs to be abolished.

Short of that, the exclusion amount needs to be raised to $10M


28 posted on 11/16/2012 11:02:18 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I’d rather they do the former — GET RID OF THE DEATH TAX.

I’m not going to play class warfare by going after those whose assets are worth $10 Million or up.

THEY PAID TAXES ON THOSE WHEN THEY WERE ALIVE, Why should bureaucrats be allowed to get their hands on it when they die?


29 posted on 11/16/2012 12:08:56 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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