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ABC News: Hey, This Doctor Shortage Could "Crash" Obamacare
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| 11/15/2012
| Guy Benson
Posted on 11/15/2012 8:43:01 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Just in case the unaffordable price tag and rising costs don't quite do the trick, America's spiraling dearth of doctors will contribute heavily to the collapse of our re-engineered health care system, according to a new study:
The United States will require at least 52,000 more family doctors in the year 2025 to keep up with the growing and increasingly older U.S. population, a new study found. The predictions also reflect the passage of the Affordable Care Act -- a change that will expand health insurance coverage to an additional 38 million Americans. "The health care consumer that values the relationship with a personal physician, particularly in areas already struggling with access to primary care physicians should be aware of potential access challenges that they may face in the future if the production of primary care physicians does not increase," said Dr. Andrew Bazemore, director of the Robert Graham Center for Policy Studies in Primary Care and co-author of the study published Monday in the Annals of Family Medicine. Stephen Petterson, senior health policy researcher at the Robert Graham Center, said the government should take steps -- and quickly -- to address the problem before it gets out of hand. "There needs to be more primary care incentive programs that give a bonus to physicians who treat Medicaid patients in effort to reduce the compensation gap between specialists and primary care physicians," said Petterson, who co-authored the study with Bazemore.
But such changes may be more easily said than done. The problem does not appear to be one of too few doctors in general; in fact, in 2011 a total of 17,364 new doctors emerged from the country's medical schools, according to the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC). Too few of these doctors, however, choose primary care as a career -- an issue that may be worsening. In a 2008 census by the AAMC and the American Medical Association, researchers found that the number of medical graduates choosing a career in family medicine dropped from 5,746 in 2002 to 4,210 in 2007 -- a drop of nearly 27 percent. "It's pretty tough to convince medical students to go into primary care," said Dr. Lee Green, chair of Family Medicine at the University of Alberta, who was not involved with the study. Green added that he believes this is because currently primary care specialties are not well paid, well treated or respected as compared to subspecialists. "They have to think about their debt," he said. "There are also issues of how physicians are respected and how we portray primary care to medical students." These problems loom even larger considering the aim of the Affordable Care Act to provide all Americans with health insurance -- and with it, more regular contact with a primary care doctor.
A maddening pattern: When the government exacerbates problems, many frustrated observers reflexively call for even more federal intervention to mop up the federally-caused mess. The solution to big government run amok is more government involvement, apparently. And before you object to the premise that Obamacare is responsible for the deterioration of our doctor shortage ("this was already becoming a problem before the law was passed," etc), examine the data, including surveys of American doctors. Come to think of it, beyond the obvious and laudable humanitarian reasons, why would an ambitious young college student pursue a career in medicine when he or she could go to law school and make a fine living suing the daylights out of doctors? Meaningful tort reform was conspicuously omitted from Obamacare, thanks to the efforts of the trial lawyers' lobby -- a deep-pocketed Democratic constituency. This ABC News story, authored by a medical doctor, also describes why Romneycare (yeah, remember that?) is a microcosm of brewing larger-scale problems:
Perhaps the best known example of this approach has been Massachusetts, which since 2006 has mandated that every resident obtain health insurance and those that are below the federal poverty level gain free access to health care. But although the state has the second-highest ratio of primary care physicians to population of any state, they are struggling with access to primary care physicians. Dr. Randy Wexler of The John Glenn Institute of Public Service and Policy said he has concerns that this trend could be reflected nationwide. "Who is going to care for these people?" he said. "We are going to have problems just like Massachusetts. [They] are struggling with access problems; it takes one year to get into a primary care physician. Coverage does not equal access." Some have already proposed solutions to this looming problem. One suggestion is that non-physician medical professionals, such as nurse practitioners and physician assistants, can pick up the slack. Doctors, however, said his may not be enough to fill the gap.
The distinction between nominal "coverage" and actual care was a central argument against Obamacare during the battles of 2009 and 2010. And as we know all too well, Romneycare is essentially a pilot program for the entire nation. It has spiked costs, failed to reduce uncompensated care, and resulted in tax increases. Plus, Massachusetts is plagued by this exact doctor shortage issue -- despite being one of the wealthiest states in the country. In places like Canada, citizens are entitled to universal, "free" coverage, but people languish on waiting lists for care, and sometimes resort to lotteries for the chance sign up with a primary care physician. Now that Obamacare is more or less here to stay, Americans had better get accustomed to rationing and waiting. More cracks in Obamacare's facade will appear as the law is fully implemented over the next two years, ultimately culminting in the program's implosion. Liberals are already making pre-emptive excuses for the White House, asking questions such as, "gosh, is this enterprise just too big for the administration to handle?"
By the end of this week, states must decide whether they will build a health-insurance exchange or leave the task to the federal government. The question is, with as many as 17 states expected to leave it to the feds, can the Obama administration handle the workload. “These are systems that typically take two or three years to build,” says Kevin Walsh, managing director of insurance exchange services at Xerox. “The last time I looked at the calendar, that’s not what we’re working with.” When Walsh meets with state officials deciding whether to build a health exchange, he brings a chart. It outlines how to build the insurance marketplace required under the Affordable Care Act. To call it complex would probably be an understatement...A health exchange’s first task is ensuring that those who are eligible for benefits know about them — right now, research suggests three-quarters have no idea. That suggests a huge outreach challenge — and one the federal government may not be ideally suited to completing. Evidence suggests that it works better when it caters to local markets.
The federal government passed a massive piece of legislation that included a voluminous labyrinth of new regulations -- and they might not get it up and running on schedule? Knock me over with a feather. Perhaps the administration should have considered whether its governing apparatus was "ideally suited" to complete core tasks before locking them into place with a law that personally affects tens of millions of Americans. Basic competence should be a key initial threshold question, no? (For more on federal ineptitude and priorities, read this). Meanwhile, the population remains opposed to Obamacare. While ABC's new poll indicates that public opposition may be slackening a bit, the latest Rasmussen national poll of registered voters (their major polling flaw this fall was their likely voter party ID weighting) continues to show majority support for repeal -- an outcome that even most of last Tuesday's D+6 electorate said they would support. The, er, "good" news is that if and when Obamacare's unsustainability proves to be undeniable, liberals will swoop in with the Statist fix they've been angling for all along:
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To: SeekAndFind
Gee, this Affordable Healthcare Act just keeps getting better & better.
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posted on
11/15/2012 8:44:51 AM PST
by
Puppage
(You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
To: SeekAndFind
We will probably need doctors a lot sooner than 2025. There’s just this little notion that we may be losing many of the doctors we have right now.
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posted on
11/15/2012 8:46:41 AM PST
by
formosa
(consider me galt)
To: Puppage
RE: this Affordable Healthcare Act just keeps getting better & better.
And less and less “affordable”.
To: SeekAndFind
Think there will be new doctors entering the field if most of the profitability is taken out of it? The pay in their field will be reduced to that of a veterinarian in no time if Obamascare continues.
To: formosa
RE: We will probably need doctors a lot sooner than 2025.
Why not accept more applicants to Medical School?
To: SeekAndFind
It’s funny how many inconvenient facts the MSM is suddenly “discovering” now that the election is over.
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posted on
11/15/2012 8:49:17 AM PST
by
Random_User_250
("Democracy is indispensable to socialism." -- Vladimir Lenin)
To: SeekAndFind
The next step will be to start importing doctors from third world countries as other countries with nationalized health care do to get cheap labor. Get ready for your doctor to be named Mohammed or Patel. Look at how many cases of fraud and/or illness caused by lack of proper medical procedures have been at the hands of foreign doctors and nurses. Scary stuff.
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posted on
11/15/2012 8:49:54 AM PST
by
Pining_4_TX
( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
To: jsanders2001
RE: Think there will be new doctors entering the field if most of the profitability is taken out of it?
Have you ever noticed how many NURSES in our hospitals got their degree from overseas?
Here in New York alone I see many who graduated from the Philippines, India, South Korea and other places. They finished their degrees in their country, worked there for a while after graduation, then took our qualifying nurse’s exams and passed. Theyw ere then allowed to come here and work ( many eventually acquiring their green cards ).
I see the same thing happening for doctors in the next 10 years.
To: SeekAndFind
"Why not accept more applicants to Medical School?" And lower the standards!!!
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posted on
11/15/2012 8:51:37 AM PST
by
Joe 6-pack
(Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
To: SeekAndFind
Government involvement in health care is costly and chaotic. However, those same points were made when Medicare was passed. Now, there is a constituency of Medicare recipients that prevents Medicare's repeal. A similar constituency will develop behind Obamacare. When you add the constituency of Obamacare recipients to the constituency of Medicare recipients, what politician will be proposing that the government get out of the health care field?
Why don't we learn from our mistakes?
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posted on
11/15/2012 8:51:47 AM PST
by
Tau Food
(Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
To: SeekAndFind
There is a very simple fix to this problem.
Lower the standards for medical school. Lets call this new approach Affirmative Action Medical Support Program for OBAMACARE.
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posted on
11/15/2012 8:52:18 AM PST
by
mosaicwolf
(Strength and Honor)
To: formosa
I suspect soon the medical profession will become like the military....you sign up and get your medical education paid, but in return you will go where they send you for your first 10 years.
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posted on
11/15/2012 8:52:56 AM PST
by
dfwgator
To: mosaicwolf
There is a very simple fix to this problem. Lower the standards for medical school. Lets call this new approach Affirmative Action Medical Support Program for OBAMACARE.The roles of nurse pracitioners and physicians assistants will expand to include treatment of most routine illnesses and injuries.
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posted on
11/15/2012 8:55:33 AM PST
by
Tau Food
(Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
To: SeekAndFind
My my my, how far we’ve fallen since 1993! Back then, the Clintons swore up and down that nationwide free health care for all could be financed with a larger tax on cigarettes!
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posted on
11/15/2012 8:56:28 AM PST
by
NRA1995
(CNN should be PNN (Propaganda, Never News))
No problem: we will continue importing unqualified doctors from Third World hellholes. Going to a doctor will become more dangerous than staying home.(For older and sicker patients, this is ESPECIALLY true. Anyone who doesn’t understand that Death Panels are on the horizon is naive.) Insurance fraud will skyrocket.(Even now, foreign born doctors are disproportionately involved in such fraud.) And, oh, another thing: they will all vote Democrat.
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posted on
11/15/2012 8:57:28 AM PST
by
Godwin1
To: Joe 6-pack
“How is it hangin’ esse?”
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posted on
11/15/2012 8:58:16 AM PST
by
EEGator
To: SeekAndFind
Only stupid people will become doctors.....
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...... uh oh!
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posted on
11/15/2012 8:59:53 AM PST
by
Uncle Miltie
(0BAMA CHOSE to watch a MUSLIM SNUFF FILM rather than a HEROIC AMERICAN RESCUE FILM)
To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
11/15/2012 8:59:53 AM PST
by
ari-freedom
(It's the bennies, stupid.)
To: SeekAndFind
Why would anyone bust their a** for 9 years just to get overworked and underpaid?
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:00:03 AM PST
by
EEGator
To: formosa
“We will probably need doctors a lot sooner than 2025. Theres just this little notion that we may be losing many of the doctors we have right now.”
Perhaps we will follow the British model and avert the shortage by replacing them with 26 year old middle eastern “surgeons” like the ones who bombed Glasgow International Airport in 2007.
To: SeekAndFind
Not to worry. They will death panel the elderly and dumb down the doctor requirements.
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:02:29 AM PST
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
To: EEGator
Why would anyone bust their a** for 9 years just to get overworked and underpaid?Well it beats the Gulag.
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:02:36 AM PST
by
dfwgator
To: SeekAndFind
Only an idiot would go into any primary care area. The only happy docs I know are specialists who can control their practice. ophthalmologists , plastic surgeons, hand surgeons, radiologists.
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:02:36 AM PST
by
Kozak
(The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
To: mosaicwolf
We are inventing all kinds of doctor replacements — nurse practitioners, for example (sorry NPs). Pretty soon, anyone will be able to practice medicine as “doctors”.
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:02:36 AM PST
by
sockhead
(Socialism: trickle up poverty.)
To: Godwin1
White Guy doctor here. I could work 24 hours per day every day of the week and I wouldn’t put a dent in the number of patients who want to see me. We are in for a very RUDE AWAKENING. And, yes, get ready for your serious medical conditions to be addressed by a salaried physician assistant or nurse practitioner. Maybe Dr. Muhammed will come in and take a look. Worse care, less frequently (as appointments will be rarer than gold), with fewer phone calls returned. Obama, Pelosi and Reid have destroyed our future.
To: SeekAndFind
Good luck finding a doctor that accepts new Medicare patients!
To: SeekAndFind
Blame the doctors is part of the dim playbook for when kenyancare fails. The marxists need enemies for the push to single payer.
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:05:24 AM PST
by
lodi90
To: BlueStateRightist
This is what I alluded to above...we’ll have NPs and PAs doing surgery and everything. Good grief.
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:05:42 AM PST
by
sockhead
(Socialism: trickle up poverty.)
To: BlatherNaut
Perhaps we will follow the British model and avert the shortage by replacing them with 26 year old middle eastern surgeons like the ones who bombed Glasgow International Airport in 2007.
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:06:03 AM PST
by
COBOL2Java
(The GOP-e said "Beat a Marxist with a Liberal!" What a colossal blunder.)
To: lodi90
"The marxists need enemies for the push to single payer"
Exactamundo
To: SeekAndFind
A doctor just out of college is sad since the only real effective doctor takes years of actual experience treating patients. Pills from a computer model will be the new doctor.
To: BlueStateRightist
"Who is Doctor Galt?"
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:07:23 AM PST
by
Rocky Mountain Wild Turkey
("I have an open mind ... just not so open that my brain falls out onto the floor!!")
To: Godwin1
Why go to medical school? If you don’t need identification to vote why do you need any to “practice” medicine? ;-)
To: formosa
Many doctors will just retire or cut back on hours. Know 2 retiring and a 3rd that is cutting hours. “Why work if I can’t keep the money I make? I’ll cover my expenses and make what I need then shut the doors and wait out this four years.”
Sadly, don’t think it’ll be better after Obama is out. Permanent damage and with the vote theft at the polls and vote buying via taxdollars away from the polls, unlikely a Republican will ever win national office again.
To: Puppage
Have you ever noticed that whatever they officially name a bill, it always does the opposite. It is if it is by design. lol
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:09:08 AM PST
by
sheana
To: Pining_4_TX
You nailed it! It's already happening, and I've had 2 foreign "doctors" that have almost killed me already...
Word of warning from experience: Look to your own health! Do not rely on the "healthcare" business (and yes, it is a business) to do anything but put you in a corral to lay insurance egg-payments for them...
the new slavery? These guys also bury their mistakes...
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:09:11 AM PST
by
Dubh_Ghlase
(Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
To: BlueStateRightist
This white guy doc agrees with all you say.
Plus, what others do not think about, is the young folks who come out of med school anywhere from 200-500k already in debt, and then come into a system that doesn’t want to pay them.
Who in their right mind would want to do that? A young person wanting to be a doc in modern American must approach it with missionary zeal, because that’s what it’s similar to.
Every doc I know who has kids interested in health care are trying to get them in DENTAL school, which has so far (but not for long) appeared to escape the brunt of Obamacare.
It’s a mess for which their is only one solution - a 2 tiered system, and the Obamaphiles ain’t gonna like that.
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:09:26 AM PST
by
Clarence
To: dfwgator
I don’t know. Engineering school is making me crazy...I might welcome death.
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:09:35 AM PST
by
EEGator
To: BlueStateRightist
Obama, Pelosi and Reid have destroyed our future. As if they care. The nomenklatura will always receive the best care from the best doctors and the best hospitals. As for everyone else, well, sorry comrade.
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:09:34 AM PST
by
COBOL2Java
(The GOP-e said "Beat a Marxist with a Liberal!" What a colossal blunder.)
To: SeekAndFind
There’s a reason the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, etc., ended up with empty shelves and no innovation.
To: Rocky Mountain Wild Turkey
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:10:09 AM PST
by
timestax
(Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
To: SeekAndFind
Universal health care does not equal universal health care. It equals being universally free to stand in line for health care that you might never get.
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:10:40 AM PST
by
JediJones
(Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
To: SeekAndFind
Oh, and remember how “proud” Romney was of Romneycare?
To: SeekAndFind
When I was young, doctors were one of the most esteemed members of a community.
Now, it seems, they will become slaves to the state, indentured to perform a needed service to the masses.
-PJ
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:11:25 AM PST
by
Political Junkie Too
(If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
To: Pining_4_TX
Don’t know where you live, but my cardiologists are named Kiran Kareti and Krishna Malineni and my endocronoligist is named is Smita Gupta. I live in Indianapolis.
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:12:16 AM PST
by
redangus
To: dfwgator
"Why would anyone bust their a** for 9 years just to get overworked and underpaid?"
Well it beats the Gulag."
Comrade, Amerika is a gulag.
To: Clarence
Every doc I know who has kids interested in health care are trying to get them in DENTAL school, which has so far (but not for long) appeared to escape the brunt of Obamacare. Or my daughter, who is using her GI bill to become a nurse anesthetist.
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:13:23 AM PST
by
COBOL2Java
(The GOP-e said "Beat a Marxist with a Liberal!" What a colossal blunder.)
To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:13:23 AM PST
by
Huskrrrr
To: All
the revolt will come when the government checks stop arriving in the inner cities or the first time a group of senior citizens figures out that they have to wait 2 or 3 months to see their primary care doctor ...that’s when politicians get pulled out of their houses ...
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posted on
11/15/2012 9:13:23 AM PST
by
thestob
(THESE are the times that try men's souls.)
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