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ABC News: Hey, This Doctor Shortage Could "Crash" Obamacare
Townhall ^ | 11/15/2012 | Guy Benson

Posted on 11/15/2012 8:43:01 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: dfwgator

“I suspect soon the medical profession will become like the military....you sign up and get your medical education paid, but in return you will go where they send you for your first 10 years.”

Those programs have existed for a long time. The problem is that there is a heck of a lot of training required after medical school, depending on what you wind up doing. From the day I stepped into medical school it was 13 years before I completed all the training I did to do what I do, 9 of those after I completed medical school. If I had gone the military route, my payback time wouldn’t have started until after those 13 years. I feel privileged being a doc. Always have, but it was a pretty bad investment of my time when looked upon economically. A good part of those 9 years when I was getting advanced training I was moonlighting to pay for loans I’d taken out.

Honestly, I don’t care anymore. I’m just tired of being characterized as a villain, most often by people who have never worked that hard. What’s the point? I would never not do my best for a patient, but the joy is out of it in a big way.


61 posted on 11/15/2012 9:19:16 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: TigerClaws
“Why work if I can’t keep the money I make? I’ll cover my expenses and make what I need then shut the doors and wait out this four years.”

62 posted on 11/15/2012 9:21:07 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Pining_4_TX

And this will any different how? We already have to Patel’s in Evansville. And several Mohammed’s and Hussain’s. It’s most upsetting when a white-American-male can’t get into med school but put a foreigner in the running, they get it hands down. Not sorry that sounds like I’m racist, I’m not, just tired of the crap.


63 posted on 11/15/2012 9:22:04 AM PST by southernindymom
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To: BlueStateRightist

Worse care, less frequently (as appointments will be rarer than gold), with fewer phone calls returned. Obama, Pelosi and Reid have destroyed our future.


All of what you say is true. Yet when I try to explain it to a dim they just turn off and refuse to process the information.

Government run health care is really a religion to these people. The fantasy that if the “rich” just pay a little more than everybody can have great health care is an outrageous lie.

I lived much of the last 10 years in Europe. I saw how much the middle class pays for government health care. These dim bulbs who voted for the kenyan have no idea how hard reality is about to hammer them.


64 posted on 11/15/2012 9:22:08 AM PST by lodi90
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To: SeekAndFind
This is ridiculous. FPs are already finding themselves replaced by NPs and PAs.

An NP or PA is as good as an FP--if that NP or PA has lots and lots, years and years, of experience

If he is still wearing braces, run for the hills. The Green ones will kill ya.

We need--trauma surgeons, general surgeons, specialists and internal medicine specialists.

We can deal with the lack of FPs by trying to work NPs and PAs as hard as we can when they are young, so that they become good para-physicians.

That's my 2 cents, not that anyone gives a flip.

I suspect this all comes from the FP licensing boards, or people with a vested financial interest in the dying and increasingly irrelevant specialty of "family practice" --

65 posted on 11/15/2012 9:23:52 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Godwin1
No problem: we will continue importing unqualified doctors from Third World hellholes.

Unqualified??? How do they get their license(s) to practice? Your state operates no testing boards?

66 posted on 11/15/2012 9:26:19 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: SeekAndFind
It is very very very very (how many verys do idiots need? How many times have I posted this very thing--?)

EXPENSIVE. it is EXPENSIVE to educate any medical professional.

It's CHEAP to educate a LAWYER. You find walk down basement law schools all over the place.

67 posted on 11/15/2012 9:27:06 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: jsanders2001
Don't insult veterinarians. My father was one. He practiced in a small town back where I was born back in the mid-1950's. There was a single physician in the area as well. When either of them left town, there was a standing agreement that each would look after the other's patients until they returned.

In addition, father had access to the medicine man on the reservation, even though it was half a day's drive away. In those day, the feds basically left Native Americans alone. Modern libtards would say they "neglected" us. But I can tell you for a fact that substance abuse was very rare on father's reservation when I visited as a kid. Our people were also generally more healthy and more mobile and quite inclined to leave the reservation as father did, World War II service and the GI Bill of Rights provided him with the ticket out.

Today, the libtards would arrest the medicine man for practicing without a license and encourage the sale of drugs and fire water so they could create a substance abuse problem big enough to establish an agency there to employ more bureaucrats to take care of us.

68 posted on 11/15/2012 9:27:13 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

69 posted on 11/15/2012 9:31:15 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

“Look at how many cases of fraud and/or illness caused by lack of proper medical procedures have been at the hands of foreign doctors and nurses.”

And look at how many people have died from the meningitis outbreak caused by drugs produced in Massachusetts.

Neglect by the Mass Pharmacy Board to investigate complaints about the lab responsible have contributed to the deaths of at least 30 people and the infection of hundreds more. The FDA knew about the sterility problems since 2002. This is foretaste of what to expect on a wide scale when more crooked profiteers protected by corrupt bureaucrats jump into the government health care game.

The “affordable healthcare” bill is a recipe for corruption. The Obama cronies are salivating at the $$ opportunities that Obamacare will unleash.


70 posted on 11/15/2012 9:31:33 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: BlueStateRightist
RE: Obama, Pelosi and Reid have destroyed our future.


71 posted on 11/15/2012 9:32:26 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

My cardiologist told me months ago that if the election didn’t go well, he is looking into moving to Australia.

He wasn’t joking.


72 posted on 11/15/2012 9:32:34 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: formosa

Yes many said that they would close shop because of Obmama care. And you can bet that the field of doctoring is going to see a whole lot less colleges entry’s. Why go to school for all those years just to live on a Set government paycheck.


73 posted on 11/15/2012 9:32:48 AM PST by Revel
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To: SeekAndFind

My cardiologist told me months ago that if the election didn’t go well, he is looking into moving to Australia.

He wasn’t joking.


74 posted on 11/15/2012 9:33:37 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: jsanders2001

Actually there are plenty of vets making more than many doctors. Much lower regulatory costs, quicker receipt of payments with many fewer hassles.


75 posted on 11/15/2012 9:33:55 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No matter the cause, and no matter how much Obamacare did not address the cause - access to and quality of primary care physicians - I think the general problem is real.

Primary care physicians are not among the most well-rewarded doctors, and yet in the best of settings their role is every bit as important as medical specialists, if not more so in the immediate sense when an adverse health condition arises and medical help is needed.

One of the key roles of a good primary care physician is in initial diagnosis, and in that process recognizing when a medical speciality, or different medical specialities are best suited for either more extensive diagnosis or treatment; or not.

It is a difficuly role in which referral to a medical speciality can be recommended, or failed to be called upon too often (often). When abused - calling on various medical specialities more often than really needed - the process raises health care costs without improving outcomes, and when denied to an excess patients receive inadequate care and excessive times reaching a good resolution of an issue. The health care industry is plagued with both of those problems - too much and too little use of medical specialists - and we can only expect that it is the medical education institutions that fail to produce significant numbers of very good primary care doctors.

The solution does not require any federal program or federal dollars. It requires the medical education to make better use of the dollars they already obtain, particularly in the area of the education of primary care physicians. It would not hurt for those institutions to raise, among their students, the importance of the primary care doctor in making those patient assessments that most correctly and most efficiently employ the servicea of medical specialists.


76 posted on 11/15/2012 9:34:21 AM PST by Wuli
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To: SoFloFreeper

RE: he is looking into moving to Australia.

1) My Brother trained in U Penn’s Children’s Hospital as a Pediatrician and Neonatologist.

2) He went to Australia years ago on a Fellowship program but had to pass THEIR qualifying exams.

He is now practicing there.

Your cardiologist might have to do the same.


77 posted on 11/15/2012 9:35:55 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: jsanders2001
Think there will be new doctors entering the field if most of the profitability is taken out of it? The pay in their field will be reduced to that of a veterinarian in no time if Obamascare continues.

Well Oblather will fix that easily. Just reduce the pay of the veterinarinans--duh.

78 posted on 11/15/2012 9:37:00 AM PST by subterfuge (************ Believe Barry Obama's Propaganda At Your Own Peril **************)
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To: SeekAndFind

The three docs in our family circle are closing their practices next year. The Medicaid crowd will have go to the White House for healing from Obama.


79 posted on 11/15/2012 9:38:04 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Puppage

It is neither affordable nor healthcare............


80 posted on 11/15/2012 9:38:28 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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