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To: SC_Pete
Government data is being politically manipulated on a scale unthinkable just four years ago. That is DEADLY to a free enterprise economy.

It is better not to keep data at all than to manipulate data and put out phony results.

The problem with lying is that eventually you have no idea where the truth lies. Everything becomes distorted.

4 posted on 11/15/2012 1:20:41 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins; SC_Pete

You are both right. This election was managed by the government media who spun the numbers and juxtaposed the data. Now that the election is over, we can return to “real”ville.


6 posted on 11/15/2012 1:29:41 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: xzins

“The problem with lying is that eventually you have no idea where the truth lies. Everything becomes distorted.”

I no longer believe anything I see or hear until I verify it through multiple sources, particularly if the information comes from the government. Even if I can verify a piece of information if my eyes, ears, touch, smell, or intuition tells me it isn’t true I believe my own senses.

Secular humanists lie with no remorse. We live in a society where most institutions are controlled by secular humanists who have no moral values. I left the corporate world because I tired of CEO’s, customers, suppliers, and employees telling blatant lies to my face.

The secular elites controlling most institutions are in it 100% for themselves. They decry wealth while they accumulate it as fast as possible by any means possible. They profess love for other people while they socialize exclusively with their own kind. They claim to be open minded while they aggressively ridicule opponents and attempt to cut off free speech through various contrived rules of political correctness. The profess to cherish life while they kill the unborn and propose euthanasia for the elderly. They profess solidarity with the poor but have no money for charity. Despite not believing in a supreme being they claim to be tolerant of all religions while aggressively attacking Christian values and institutions and supporting the enemies of Christ’s church.

In today’s world lies are truth and truth is a lie. Any man or woman who says to me, “the truth is” or “let me tell you the truth”, I immediately run from. The only way to cope is to withdraw as much from society and limit contact to very close friends and family who have earned your trust.

Early in my adult life I trusted everyone I encountered. At that time I believed most people were trustworthy and deserved to be believed until their behavior demonstrated they were scoundrels. I soon became disappointed with people’s behavior and moved to a more cautious stance — “trust but verify”. Even with a more cautious approach, I’ve been burned too many times by scoundrels posing as “nice guys”. Today my trust must be earned over a long period of time by consistently moral behavior. Note I said my trust must be earned, it isn’t given.

Who in public life do I trust today — Obama, Romney, Gingrich, McCain, the Bush family, John Kerry, Bill Clinton, David Petraeus, the governor of my state, my last boss in the working world, my stockbroker, my minister, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, my Congressman, the mailman, my next door neighbor, the mechanic who works on my car, or the mayor of my town? None of the above. I trust God, my wife, my child, my parents, and my sibling, plus a very few long term friends I’ve observed for 20 years or more. To do otherwise would be potentially fatal in today’s increasingly dangerous world in which liars rule and lies substitute for truth.


12 posted on 11/15/2012 2:45:26 PM PST by Soul of the South
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To: xzins

We’ve become Russia where it was easier to count the times the government spoke the truth, rather than count the lies.

http://www.significancemagazine.org/details/webexclusive/2051071/Argentina-—the-lies.html

The official Argentine ‘figures’ for their consumer price inflation rate is 8.6% in 2011; data released by private consultancy firms indicate that the actual inflation number is about 23%. Big yawn? It’s only numbers. So governments lie? So what is new, and why worry?
Graciela Bevacqua was the director of Argentina’s Consumer Price Index at the National Statistics Institute in Buenos Aires until she was fired for producing truthful statistics instead of the manipulated ones the Government ordered her to produce. Even as a private citizen, she is still being harassed. In March last year she was among a group of private researchers who were fined 500,000 pesos each for producing statistics the government said didn’t comply with “appropriate methodological requirements.” – in other words, for producing honest statistics. It may mean she will lose her home.

They have fined private consultants also who reported higher price increases; the quasi-legal excuse is that these consultants and companies are spreading information which might “confuse the consumer”.


14 posted on 11/16/2012 3:26:34 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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