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IMPORTANT!!! IF YOU ARE ACTIVE DUTY AND THINKING OF SIGNING A SECESSION PETITION READ THIS THREAD
FR | 15 November 2012 | Repeat Offender

Posted on 11/15/2012 3:18:31 PM PST by Repeat Offender

Sorry for the vanity; especially the vanity in Breaking News; however, I thought this important enough that it should receive high visibility.

I have reason to believe that some Staff Judge Advocates and Special Security Officers are looking into the secession petitions at whitehouse.gov

From what I have heard if you are on Active Duty and sign a secession petition, you will be pursued as being in violation of your contract.

SSOs are screening the lists too; you can potentially say goodbye to your security clearance.

Don't do this to be a smart ass, funny, or cute. Understand the gravity of what you are putting your name to.

By all means if you wish to declare yourself at odds with the U.S. Government, and feel strongly enough feel free to do so. However, if you are unhappy with the election, deployment cycles, just think it is all a joke that won't be taken seriously - think again.

Don't ruin everything you worked for and fought for over something so trivial as an online petition...........there are biographers that are Reservist West Point grads for that.


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KEYWORDS: clearance; military; petition; secession; signing; vanity; warning
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Use good judgement.
1 posted on 11/15/2012 3:18:37 PM PST by Repeat Offender
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To: Repeat Offender

Put democrap names on them.


2 posted on 11/15/2012 3:21:19 PM PST by bergmeid (FUBO)
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To: Repeat Offender

and if you are not on Active Duty ,they will put you on the no fly list


3 posted on 11/15/2012 3:22:03 PM PST by molson209
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To: molson209

That’s okay~I’m too broke to afford plane fare anyway.


4 posted on 11/15/2012 3:23:31 PM PST by ShadowDancer ("Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong.")
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To: Repeat Offender

Good advice, vanity or not.


5 posted on 11/15/2012 3:23:42 PM PST by fhayek (Yeah, of course I am being sarcastic.)
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To: Repeat Offender

The people signing on to these petitions have no clue what they have opened up for themselves. If you have a security clearance say good bye to it. It’s gonna get yanked faster than you can say boo. If your job is dependant on having that clearance, say hello to the unemployment line. You could also be jepordizing the clearances of anyone in your family that holds one. Sign at your own risk.


6 posted on 11/15/2012 3:24:03 PM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: Repeat Offender

Yeah....that “freedom of speech” thing.....good idea while it lasted.


7 posted on 11/15/2012 3:25:01 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: fhayek

Disregard my tagline on the previous post, it refered to an earlier post I had submitted.


8 posted on 11/15/2012 3:25:20 PM PST by fhayek
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To: Repeat Offender

Anyone who signs any of the petitions will automatically make it on to Obemba’s ‘enemies list’.


9 posted on 11/15/2012 3:26:58 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: molson209

It seems it being made up as this goes along. No fly then treason so whats next passports. Should we be afraid to vote Republican since we have a Democrat in office.


10 posted on 11/15/2012 3:27:06 PM PST by Orange1998 (Please DO NOT PRESS CTRL W)
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To: Repeat Offender

Let’s hope they don’t take theses too seriously. Really, an online petition!


11 posted on 11/15/2012 3:28:49 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: Repeat Offender
I have reason to believe that some Staff Judge Advocates and Special Security Officers are looking into the secession petitions at whitehouse.gov...

Yeah.... and who TF are you?

Some anonymous a-hole.

12 posted on 11/15/2012 3:31:01 PM PST by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: RightOnline
I'm all for freedom of speech and a redress of grievance against the government - Congress cannot enact a law prohibiting otherwise.......doesn't mean they have to allow you to have access to classified material.

Nor do they have to allow you to serve in the military.

13 posted on 11/15/2012 3:31:07 PM PST by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: Repeat Offender

Yes... and not only active-duty. If you carry a security clearance it can be suspended, based on the guidelines for loyalty to the U.S.

Exercise good judgment!


14 posted on 11/15/2012 3:31:33 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: RightOnline
I'm all for freedom of speech and a redress of grievance against the government - Congress cannot enact a law prohibiting otherwise.......doesn't mean they have to allow you to have access to classified material if you sign a petition stating you wish to dissolve the union.

Nor do they have to allow you to serve in the military.

15 posted on 11/15/2012 3:32:02 PM PST by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: Orange1998
" Should we be afraid to vote Republican since we have a Democrat in office."

You ended a question with a period. (There, now I feel better.)

16 posted on 11/15/2012 3:32:37 PM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Orange1998
Yes.

The panic-stricken limpwrists are now trying to outdo each other in fearmongering.

Geez...

If "conservatives" now consider it too recklessly dangerous to sign a meaningless, toothless piece of paper, then God help us all.

17 posted on 11/15/2012 3:32:37 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Repeat Offender
Some, are done anyway with their corrupt government and this administration deserves some bad press. If the government begins to nationalize seniors savings-taking their saved money from their accounts, more people will want to be signing those petitions.
18 posted on 11/15/2012 3:32:50 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. As another FR member says..Obamas are living in gangster paradise.)
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To: sean327

The Founders pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor for secession. If here today, they surely would be willing to risk their security clearances.


19 posted on 11/15/2012 3:33:46 PM PST by huckfillary (qual tyo ta)
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To: AAABEST

He doesn’t sound like an a-hole he is giving sund advice. I am sure many of us here on Free Republic are being looked at.

This is the Nazification of America.

Sure we are ok right now, but 4 years from now?


20 posted on 11/15/2012 3:34:05 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Repeat Offender

The US Government is at odds with the Oath.

Time to choose sides.


21 posted on 11/15/2012 3:34:29 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Repeat Offender

Keep your Internet footprint as small as possible.

NEVER sign anything online with your RL name.

Eschew FB and twitter — those are for navel-gazers anyway.


22 posted on 11/15/2012 3:34:29 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: AAABEST
Yeah.... and who TF are you?

Some anonymous a-hole.

Yup, private Joe Citizen making these statements of my own free will and in no way speaking on behalf of the DoD; as it should be.

Dumb ass.

23 posted on 11/15/2012 3:35:08 PM PST by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: Slump Tester
Should we be afraid to vote Republican since we have a Democrat in office?

I fixed it feel better?

24 posted on 11/15/2012 3:35:15 PM PST by Orange1998 (Please DO NOT PRESS CTRL W)
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To: sean327

Life is risk. Choose a side.


25 posted on 11/15/2012 3:36:03 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Repeat Offender

Don’t be silly. Saying that the government of the United States of America would retaliate against a citizen for a web post that makes the Marxist in our White House look divisive is as absurd as saying that our government would retaliate against an artist for making a trashy Youtube video that offends someone. That just doesn’t happen in a country with the rule of law and a limited, constitutional government.


26 posted on 11/15/2012 3:36:14 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Repeat Offender
These petitions are at a WH web site.
Why on earth would ANYONE put themselves in jeopardy by signing one?
It may make you feel like one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence or the Ordinances of Secession , but unless you' willing to back it up with action, here and now, you ain't.
27 posted on 11/15/2012 3:38:12 PM PST by Roccus
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To: Repeat Offender

I served, thank you very much. I know that you give up a lot of rights when you raise your right hand and then don the uniform. I’m not naive.

This is about purity of thought...........period. Don’t be naive yourself.


28 posted on 11/15/2012 3:38:20 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: freedumb2003

That’s ok... You can stand behind me...

Someone had to be first at Belleua Wood, Normandy, etc as well.


29 posted on 11/15/2012 3:40:29 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Roccus

The question isn’t if WE are ready. The question is... Why aren’t YOU ready?


30 posted on 11/15/2012 3:42:05 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Repeat Offender
'I'm all for freedom of speech and a redress of grievance against the government - Congress cannot enact a law prohibiting otherwise'

No need. Anyone who has ever served in the military knows you gave up your 'rights' when you entered into your military contract. In the ol' days they just hanged ya if they doubted your 'intent'.

31 posted on 11/15/2012 3:44:01 PM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: Dead Corpse
"Life is risk. Choose a side."
Exactly! This is exactly what they want, run scared from your own shadow.
32 posted on 11/15/2012 3:46:41 PM PST by vet7279
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To: Repeat Offender

I haven’t anything to lose. Are we afraid of our government yet?


33 posted on 11/15/2012 3:47:55 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: Repeat Offender

Not in the military and I have signed several. Wouldn’t if I were a gov employee or military. Big Brother and all. However, for me personally,as a private citizen, I want to be on the enemies list.


34 posted on 11/15/2012 3:48:27 PM PST by Calpublican
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To: Dead Corpse

...and you know I’m not because....???

Keyboard warriors are a dime a dozen.


35 posted on 11/15/2012 3:48:37 PM PST by Roccus
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To: AAABEST

If you don’t believe the poster go ahead and sign everything, what could it hurt?


36 posted on 11/15/2012 3:49:29 PM PST by madison10
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To: freedumb2003
If the government wants you, they will find you/me,

signing the petition anonymous or not. The people signing those petitions are afraid, (their country is going towards socialism fast track) in shock and also maybe very brave, patriotic and could see what is coming.. The next civil disobedience will be ideology and that is way worse than race discourse. imo. I hope the USA survives Obama's hard line left punish the producers since he feels America was built unfairly.

37 posted on 11/15/2012 3:49:42 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. As another FR member says..Obamas are living in gangster paradise.)
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To: AAABEST
Yeah.... and who TF are you?

Some anonymous a-hole.

Boy-oh-boy. That post fits so well with the image you portray on your "about" page.

38 posted on 11/15/2012 3:49:52 PM PST by Roccus
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To: freedumb2003
NEVER sign anything online with your RL name.

I sign everything, "freedumb2003"

They'll never catch me. lol

39 posted on 11/15/2012 3:50:41 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: Repeat Offender

Let those states that wish to leave secede from the United States
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/228/644/059/let-those-states-that-wish-to-leave-seceed-from-the-united-states/


40 posted on 11/15/2012 3:50:46 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: ScottinVA
If you carry a security clearance it can be suspended, based on the guidelines for loyalty to the U.S.

I hope the irony of this is not lost on FReepers as we post about it. Look at Obozo's appointments to the highest security positions in our nation. How many of these A$$HATS should be trusted with our secrets? Eric Holder? Really?

41 posted on 11/15/2012 3:52:43 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Bite me! I spent 23 years in the Marine Corps and sent 2 sons to Iraq and Afghanistan. They did 2 tours each. Who the hell are you to tell me to choose a side? This secession crap is madness. Breaking up the Union is not the answer nor will it ever be. Fix it from the inside. Tearing apart the US will not fix a damn thing!


42 posted on 11/15/2012 3:53:31 PM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: Tenacious 1

>>I sign everything, “freedumb2003”

They’ll never catch me. lol<<

And I have never been so revered on the Interwebz (I am sure — right???)

:)


43 posted on 11/15/2012 3:55:19 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: Roccus
...These petitions are at a WH web site. Why on earth would ANYONE put themselves in jeopardy by signing one?...

Interesting that the Obama administration would have these petitions on the WH website. My first thought is they're looking to flush out Patriots in order to "purge" them. (not kill them but revoke their clearances, expel them from the military, etc.)

Why else would they seek this? I don't get it.

And why now? Were they there before the election?

44 posted on 11/15/2012 3:56:05 PM PST by FReepaholic (Stupidity is not a crime, so you're free to go.)
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To: sean327; Dead Corpse

BUMP!!


45 posted on 11/15/2012 3:56:05 PM PST by Roccus
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To: Roccus

The website is a joke. It is a pretense to make it look like they are listening. Most all of the so-called petitions are jokes, including the one I put on there. I If we are at the point of fearing airing our views, I’d just as soon be put in front of a firing squad.


46 posted on 11/15/2012 3:56:11 PM PST by Calpublican
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To: Repeat Offender

While I have already left the USSA, I would be concerned
about the social security benefits that I receive, if I were caught participating in a secession movement.


47 posted on 11/15/2012 3:56:59 PM PST by AlexW
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To: Calpublican

Hey, I’m a believer that when your time is up...it’s up.

....but I don’t go jumping in fromt of trucks.

PS, the rules are different now, especially the Bill of Rights. You and I may not like it, but it’s the truth.


48 posted on 11/15/2012 3:59:31 PM PST by Roccus
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To: Roccus

Of course, don’t jump in front of a truck, but each of us chooses our risks. For me, if we get to the point where we are afraid to speak, again as private citizens—not military, then life really won’t be worth living IMO.


49 posted on 11/15/2012 4:05:05 PM PST by Calpublican
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To: sean327
I'll call BS on this and what you wrote about breaking up the union. Perhaps you take the petitions too seriously. Secession will not happen-period. The Union will not dissolve, and people will not lose their security clearances for exercising their right to petition for political redress.

Yep, I have a security clearance, and I signed the petition. These petitions are meant as a statement to the dolts in DC, telling them that a lot of people do not agree with everything they do. If they don't like what they see, F'm!
If you think that some petty bureaucrat can cause the problems that you mentioned, then the nation is already too far gone.

50 posted on 11/15/2012 4:05:05 PM PST by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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